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  • I've Been Bad Boy!
     OP - August 18, 2009, 02:26 PM
    No! This thread is not about sex <IsLame exits thread>  grin12

    I was in a car with a Muslim friend who was driving a Hijabi sister home and we got talking. She converted 11 years ago and so I asked her what attracted her to Islam etc...

    She said the fact that it worshipped ONE God - and also said the Qur'an was a Miracle.

    I said how do you know? Do you speak Arabic?

    She said no.

    OK so you've been told it's a miracle... what else?

    Muhammad was illiterate.

    So what... OK, what else?

    She said there are scientific miracles such as salt water and sea water don't mix which only God could have revealed...

    This was known about... what else?

    And so it went on and I have to admit I went "off on one" - and I feel so bad now, coz she was shocked and upset...

    What made me start ranting was that she was just repeating stuff she's been told without actually knowing if any of it was actually true - and it just pissed me off so much.

    But I'm gonna be in trouble now as she will prob phone my brothers wife and also tell others round Oxford about me and that I'm trying to "confuse" Muslims.

    I feel bad though because it's like I upset someone for no good reason - she's nice, happy etc...

    What the hell right do I have trying to blow out someone else's candle just coz I think it's stupid?
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #1 - August 18, 2009, 02:34 PM
    Don't feel too bad about it Hassan! I don't think you did anything wrong, and besides, I think that was a good thing. It will kinda force her to think and to question. Whenever I see convert videos on youtube, they say the exact same thing "MODERN SCIENCE, which is only being discovered, how could the prophet know all this stuff"?
    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #2 - August 18, 2009, 02:34 PM
    Well if she was confused by your questions, then a) that's a good thing because at least now she might go and make the effort to research the basis of her beliefs and b) if a Muslims faith weakens because of a bunch of questions you asked and they are unable to answer, then they don't have a very strong belief after all  Wink

    Don't beat yourself up about it, you aren't intentionally blowing out someone else's candle bcause you think it's silly, it IS silly, so the candles are getting blown out anyway Tongue

    /end rambling
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #3 - August 18, 2009, 02:46 PM
    It will increase her faith for the time being, don't worry, after talking it over, she'll be quietly thanking you for emboldening her to Shaytan or some such shit. But on the other hand, expect a call from you know who Smiley You shouldn't feel bad though, opening up a discussion also gives muslims a chance to convert you, and they like that.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #4 - August 18, 2009, 02:55 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 18, 2009, 02:26 PM
    No! This thread is not about sex <IsLame exits thread>  grin12

    Oh Shucks.  </IsLame exits thread>
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  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #5 - August 18, 2009, 03:26 PM
    I hate stupid people like her.
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #6 - August 18, 2009, 03:33 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on August 18, 2009, 02:46 PM
    It will increase her faith for the time being, don't worry, after talking it over, she'll be quietly thanking you for emboldening her to Shaytan or some such shit. But on the other hand, expect a call from you know who Smiley You shouldn't feel bad though, opening up a discussion also gives muslims a chance to convert you, and they like that.


    Don't mention anything to L & R - maybe she wont contact them and it can all be forgotten lol  grin12
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #7 - August 18, 2009, 04:21 PM
    It's cool that have a muslim friend that you can still hang with.

    What's that saying, "If it makes you feel guilty, it's probably a sin."? I'm not sure how I feel about it, but it doesn't feel right..  wacko

    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on August 18, 2009, 03:26 PM
    I hate stupid people like her.

    Random hijabis that aren't ready for an attack on their Iman?
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #8 - August 18, 2009, 04:24 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 18, 2009, 02:26 PM
    And so it went on and I have to admit I went "off on one" - and I feel so bad now, coz she was shocked and upset...


    Being shocked and upset is often not a bad thing.
    bleed for me...kill for me...die for me
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #9 - August 18, 2009, 04:58 PM
    I will bite my tongue in future and only get into a discussion like that if someone shows they are up for it.

    I shall leave my rants to Youtube lol
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #10 - August 18, 2009, 05:40 PM
    Well, she will face more of that since she lives among non muslims. i still recall 1st time someone said , WHERE IS GOD!! There is NO GOD! lol i turned off my computer and was like  mysmilie_977
    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #11 - August 18, 2009, 05:45 PM
    Prosaic - love that quote in your sig, where's it from?

    "I refuse to prove that I exist" says God,"for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing."
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  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #12 - August 18, 2009, 06:01 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on August 18, 2009, 05:45 PM
    Prosaic - love that quote in your sig, where's it from?

    "I refuse to prove that I exist" says God,"for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing."


    Oh yes i love it too! i was googling stuff last night and one thing lead to another and i found it!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_translator  The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #13 - August 18, 2009, 06:01 PM
    I'm pretty sure that's a quote from the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

    @ Hass - you've been on the receiving end of an awful lot of brainless rants, accusations, even threats on You Tube and probly bottled up a lot of irritation.  It was bound to come out some time.  
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #14 - August 18, 2009, 06:21 PM
    Quote from: awais on August 18, 2009, 04:21 PM
    It's cool that have a muslim friend that you can still hang with.

    What's that saying, "If it makes you feel guilty, it's probably a sin."? I'm not sure how I feel about it, but it doesn't feel right..  wacko
    Random hijabis that aren't ready for an attack on their Iman?

    No, just gullible people who don't bother checking up the facts they're fed are real. I used to be one so guess I shouldn't complain...
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #15 - August 18, 2009, 06:54 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on August 18, 2009, 06:01 PM
    @ Hass - you've been on the receiving end of an awful lot of brainless rants, accusations, even threats on You Tube and probly bottled up a lot of irritation.  It was bound to come out some time.  


    Yes, you've probably hit the nail on the head. I'm just sorry this poor woman got it lol
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #16 - August 18, 2009, 07:02 PM
    Look, the dawahganda says that in Islam there is no blind faith.  Of course we know this isn't true, but since she swallowed everything else about it, she probably believes that too.  If it comes to it, just point out that you're just challenging her to really think deeply about what she believes.  There's nothing wrong with what you did.  If she wasn't up for the discussion she could have stopped at any time.
    [this space for rent]
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #17 - August 18, 2009, 07:03 PM
    In fairness Hassan female converts irritate me too. Most simply fall for a Muslim guy and then convince themselves the religion is true.

    The most annoying are those who say, 'I was born Muslim but just didn't know' bullshit. Then you have the White chav girls who marry Pakistani boys and walk around with ridiculous looking colourful salwar khameez
    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #18 - August 18, 2009, 07:10 PM
    Quote from: fading
    There's nothing wrong with what you did.  If she wasn't up for the discussion she could have stopped at any time.


    I think she got off lightly.  Hassan shares 98% of his DNA with a chimpanzee, he might easily have thrown some poo at her.   Insert evil laugh
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #19 - August 18, 2009, 07:16 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on August 18, 2009, 07:10 PM
    I think she got off lightly.  Hassan shares 98% of his DNA with a chimpanzee, he might easily have thrown some poo at her.   Insert evil laugh


    lol... <throws poo Cheetah's way>  grin12
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #20 - August 18, 2009, 09:17 PM
    I thought the thread was going to be about sex as well. Nevermind.

    You haven't been a bad boy, but I think you've made a mistake. This girl will now be further entrenched blindly in her faith and will see you as the enemy rather than as an wise old man who has something interesting to say about Islam and his journey away from it.

    It's all to easy to get irritated by simple-minded, unquestioning religiosity, but it's far more productive to be polite and authoritative in one's discussion rather than angry and irritated.

    By the way, I love your videos. Keep them coming.  Afro
    Look not above, there is no answer there;
    Pray not, for no one listens to your prayer;
    Near is as near to God as any Far,
    And Here is just the same deceit as There.

    - Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #21 - August 18, 2009, 09:32 PM
    Thanks, Dr Diavolo - yes you are spot on!

  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #22 - August 18, 2009, 10:02 PM
    Quote from: Dr Diavolo on August 18, 2009, 09:17 PM
    it's far more productive to be polite and authoritative in one's discussion rather than angry and irritated.

    110%
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  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #23 - August 18, 2009, 10:52 PM
    Quote from: pakman on August 18, 2009, 07:03 PM
    Then you have the White chav girls who marry Pakistani boys and walk around with ridiculous looking colourful salwar khameez


     Huh? Is this a fairly recent fad?
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #24 - August 19, 2009, 03:27 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 18, 2009, 02:26 PM
    No! This thread is not about sex <IsLame exits thread>  grin12

    I was in a car with a Muslim friend who was driving a Hijabi sister home and we got talking. She converted 11 years ago and so I asked her what attracted her to Islam etc...

    She said the fact that it worshipped ONE God - and also said the Qur'an was a Miracle.

    I said how do you know? Do you speak Arabic?

    She said no.

    OK so you've been told it's a miracle... what else?

    Muhammad was illiterate.

    So what... OK, what else?

    She said there are scientific miracles such as salt water and sea water don't mix which only God could have revealed...

    This was known about... what else?

    And so it went on and I have to admit I went "off on one" - and I feel so bad now, coz she was shocked and upset...

    What made me start ranting was that she was just repeating stuff she's been told without actually knowing if any of it was actually true - and it just pissed me off so much.

    But I'm gonna be in trouble now as she will prob phone my brothers wife and also tell others round Oxford about me and that I'm trying to "confuse" Muslims.

    I feel bad though because it's like I upset someone for no good reason - she's nice, happy etc...

    What the hell right do I have trying to blow out someone else's candle just coz I think it's stupid?



    I wouldn't give a fuck if I were you Hass.

    Did she say anything like "stop talking about it" or even try to change the subject?

    No?

    Then again, I wouldn't give a fuck. As long as you didn't hurt anyone it's your job as an individual to express your thoughts. You would've really been in the wrong if you just suppressed your thoughts and let her just blabber on about what she has been taught to believe is true.

    So what the woman got a little upset? Boo-fuckin-hoo... whistling2

    I absolutely hate it when people try to guilt trip you into thinking you've done something wrong just by expressing your thoughts.
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #25 - August 19, 2009, 07:28 AM
    No, she never told me to stop - in fact I asked her several times if she wanted me to stop if it was making her uncomfortable, but she said it was fine.

    But still - I didn't approach it the right way - next time I will use a little more wisdom as Dr Diavlo rightly says.
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #26 - August 19, 2009, 08:30 AM
    I dont think anyone was guilt tripping anyone Tommy, and I'm not sure about it being Hass's 'job' to put people straight according to his beliefs either.....but yeah, wouldn't lose any sleep.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #27 - August 19, 2009, 08:40 AM
    I think you did a public service, an anti clockwise dawah of sorts.

    Even if you planted doubts in her head, she would then go seek knowledge for herself and try to understand things for herself. If she realises that she has made a horrible mistake, great, if however she alleviates her conscience by finding a way around things but she also adapts her beliefs to be more compatible with rationality and humanism than thats also fairly good.

    I would personally rather 100 religious folks go through the research and confirmation stage and reshape and adapt their faith to suit themselves and society than 100 people leave religion just because they can't be bothered to go to church or to fast rammadhan. In one, the people are seeking knowledge and putting an effort in, and it is ultimately a journey of self discovery, in the other, they are taking the easy way out.

    So, you have given her an excellent gift, self discovery, she owes you mega-Christmas gifts, you should write an invoice immediately.
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #28 - August 19, 2009, 09:21 AM
    Hassan, don't lose sleep over it. You have done the same thing I would have done if I were you. Brain-washed people needs to be awakened 'cause they are sleep-walking, and that is dangerous to them and to other people (like their offspring) eventually. Afro

    I would have done the same  Afro

    And what is all that about Dr Diavlo? Hassan is not an Old man? He is wise but he ain't an old fella Wink
    ...
  • Re: I've Been Bad Boy!
     Reply #29 - August 19, 2009, 11:08 AM
    I agree that it is noble and worthwhile to get religious people to try and critically assess their own religion with the ultimate aim of enabling them to break the shackles of their faith. I disagree that this can be achieved through a shouting match. As I said before, after such heated and emotive discussions, they (the religious) will become further entrenched in their faith-based position. We're all guilty of it, myself very much included.

    A gentle, reasoned, polite and respectful exchange is far more likely to yield desirable results. At best, such exchanges can emancipate people from their dogma. At the very least, they might start to question things.

    PS. Sorry to Hassan for the 'old man' comment! I meant it in a metaphorical/metaphysical/figurative sense, of course!
    Look not above, there is no answer there;
    Pray not, for no one listens to your prayer;
    Near is as near to God as any Far,
    And Here is just the same deceit as There.

    - Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam
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