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  • any arabs?
     OP - August 23, 2009, 04:01 AM
    i wonder how many peeps in here are apostate arabs. there's probably a good mixture of persians (myself), turks, pakistanis, malaysians, etc. but probably not too many arabs.

    i think rejecting islam has to be really tough for an arab. the whole religion is weaved into their culture and identity. the book and the prayers are written in their native language and the prophet and the successors are their own. for them it must be a source of pride. i wonder if they look at the landscape and admire how deeply and widely their beliefs has permeated throughout the world.

    it wasn't difficult for me to reject something foreign, but when it comes to my own culture i could never imagine calling the persian gulf by any other name or rejecting the long persian history. must be the same for them and i can understand that. yes, there are a minority of christian and jewish arabs, but i think without islam, the whole arab culture would unravel and who'd want that for their people.
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #1 - August 23, 2009, 06:50 AM
    Well, I think apostising must be difficult for Arabs considering the complete domination of Islam in Arabic culture, at least other cultures (especially Persian) seem to have their own history and non-Islamic customs, but since the advent of Islam Arab culture was destroyed.

    Indeed it seems that many Arab apostates turn to Christ rather than nontheism, maybe because there is an Arab christian community that they can sink into?

    Emerald as far as I know is the only real Arab here, he is Saudi Arabian. Hassan (if you count Egyptian as Arab because it isn't completely) is half Arab ethnically, not sure if he is culturally or not. I used to be a cultural Arab, but I abandoned that culture well before I abondoned Islam, and I'm not an ethnic Arab at all. I think we have Morrocan members who might call themselves Arabs, but in Morroco that's an issue.

    So yeah, Emerald is the only one, and I think the guy's quite brave, especially being from Saudi Arabia, which unlike Iran, has a deeply religious society as well as government.

    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #2 - August 23, 2009, 07:05 AM
    I am %100 Arab! I just joined today and love the forums. I'm originally from Jordan, but currently living abroad in the U.S. It took me about 4 years to leave Islam, but till this day I cannot fully escape it. The culture and many other things consist of Muslim traditions/ritual, if not, then it must at least have something to do with the word Allah or Bismallah:(.

    Edit: I am currently an Atheist.
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #3 - August 23, 2009, 07:12 AM
    I am Guilty as charged! Punk
    Farid is also an Arab. We are both from North Africa...

    I did not know Wisam is from KSA.... that has to be the bravest event in this forum! From the birth place of Mo? That is brave man!  13
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  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #4 - August 23, 2009, 07:36 AM
    Thx FF, all Middle Easterners consider Moroccans and Egyptians to be Arabs, (yet some Moroccans are originally Berbers);

    Welcome ZBS.. Smiley



    Thx RIBS, yeah...It ain't easy being from Saudi, hope more are joining the club... dance



    We have a good number of Arabs;

    I recall Prosaic, al razi (who doesn't post anymore)..   
    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #5 - August 23, 2009, 07:52 AM
    There are other Atheist sites and forums in Arabic that I have seen but never participated or registered in.

    http://www.el7ad.com/smf/index.php

    I preferred this forum because to be honest I wanted to post in English obviously for security reasons. bunny
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  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #6 - August 23, 2009, 08:07 AM
    Quote from: RIBS on August 23, 2009, 07:52 AM
    There are other Atheist sites and forums in Arabic that I have seen but never participated or registered in.

    http://www.el7ad.com/smf/index.php

    I preferred this forum because to be honest I wanted to post in English obviously for security reasons. bunny


    I have been to el7ad.com, but not writing a word in Arabic in 7 years has discouraged me. My spelling is extremely awful, and I need to work on my MSA skills. I still read a few posts on there every now & then, I'm also working on my MSA skills, so I can become active on there in the near future.
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #7 - August 23, 2009, 08:26 AM
    Quote from: Emerald on August 23, 2009, 07:36 AM
    Thx RIBS, yeah...It ain't easy being from Saudi, hope more are joining the club... dance


    Emerald, RU living in the west at the moment? Because I can not imaging the life of an atheist living in KSA. I know North African countries are very Islamic too but nothing compared to KSA. I salute you either ways. You are brave bro!
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  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #8 - August 23, 2009, 08:40 AM
    RIBS, I'm in SA...apostatized  there (2004/05)...lived in the US (2.5 yrs, schooling) a year after apostasy...


    Returned to S.A. in Sep/08. 
    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #9 - August 23, 2009, 11:31 AM
    Am 100% Egyptian , and YES its So damn hard to be arab and leave, doubt or question islam , its like Peeling off my own skin , i would give up an arm to have my faith back ..
    Am trying to re-define myself apart from being Muslim..
    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #10 - August 23, 2009, 02:33 PM
    It's been a long time since I posted.

    I'm an Arab apostate from Kuwait. I had the exact notions when I abandoned Islam. "What am I culturally?" To this day I cannot answer this question. In Kuwait we're taught to brag so much about being Arab, speaking the language of the Quran and all that stuff.

    The whole language contains religious phrases. Even our culture and habits are derived from Islam. There are some Arab families in KSA, Kuwait, Syria and Jordan who still have some pre-Islamic habits. Some of them even know pre-Islamic poetry which contains the names of Pagan gods.

    Even Arab culture on its own is very diverse. People from the Levant and North Africa seem to have pre-Islamic habits. But here in the Gulf, we only have Islamic habits. No culture of our own seeing as Muhammad destroyed it during his reign of terror.
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #11 - August 23, 2009, 02:43 PM
     Well, there you go Nothingthere.. We are quite a bunch! I feel better already! Cheesy
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  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #12 - August 23, 2009, 02:51 PM
    I know a couple, but they are all Palestinian atheists.
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #13 - August 23, 2009, 03:04 PM
    I never realised how hard it would be for Arabs to leave Islam compared to others.
    I should have known that seeing Islam and their culture is so entwined.

    That is one thing i should be grateful about i suppose, i keep my culture and just ditch the religion
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #14 - August 23, 2009, 03:18 PM
    Islam is a great success story for Arabs so leaving it involves giving up something which one derives immense pride from.
    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #15 - August 23, 2009, 03:41 PM
    Quote from: Al Razi on August 23, 2009, 02:33 PM
    "What am I culturally?" To this day I cannot answer this question.

    Historically this was an important question we with little external influence, we were often a product of the region we were born in. 

    Now its not such an important question, as we are governed by other factors including TV, books, telephone, internet etc so as this forum is testamount too, the place you were born is irrelevent to who you are.
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  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #16 - August 23, 2009, 03:43 PM
    Quote from: Prosaic on August 23, 2009, 11:31 AM
    Am 100% Egyptian , and YES its So damn hard to be arab and leave, doubt or question islam , its like Peeling off my own skin , i would give up an arm to have my faith back ..
    Am trying to re-define myself apart from being Muslim..

    What do you think of this..http://www.humanism.org.uk/humanism
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  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #17 - August 23, 2009, 04:16 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on August 23, 2009, 03:41 PM
    Historically this was an important question we with little external influence, we were often a product of the region we were born in. 

    Now its not such an important question, as we are governed by other factors including TV, books, telephone, internet etc so as this forum is testamount too, the place you were born is irrelevent to who you are.


    Yes you are right Islame. Now I think the whole world is my country. I don't believe in borders anymore. So it does not matter where you were first born.
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  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #18 - August 23, 2009, 04:44 PM
    I have Arab and Berber blood... Cool
    It's not that hard for me personally...
    There are 300.000+ Jews of Moroccan origin in Israel + 450.000 non-muslim Moroccans in Morocco.
    Not being a muslim doesn't make me less Moroccan or anything. Cool

    But Arabs usually don't care about statistics, they only care about Pride... =_=
    So telling my family will be.... fun...
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    Council of Ex-Muslims of the Netherlands will be back!

    Never doubt that a small group of commited people can change te world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -Margaret Mead
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #19 - August 23, 2009, 04:48 PM
    Quote from: Farid92 on August 23, 2009, 04:44 PM
    So telling my family will be.... fun...


    I plan to tell my family when there is a ocean seperating us both.
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #20 - August 23, 2009, 05:44 PM
    Quote from: nothingthere on August 23, 2009, 04:01 AM
    i think rejecting islam has to be really tough for an arab. the whole religion is weaved into their culture and identity. the book and the prayers are written in their native language and the prophet and the successors are their own. for them it must be a source of pride. i wonder if they look at the landscape and admire how deeply and widely their beliefs has permeated throughout the world.

    ...without islam, the whole arab culture would unravel and who'd want that for their people.



    Yep - I have thought and said the same thing.

    I'm half Arab but my identity has always been a confusing issue for me.
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #21 - August 23, 2009, 05:52 PM
    Quote from: Emerald on August 23, 2009, 08:40 AM
    RIBS, I'm in SA...apostatized  there (2004/05)...lived in the US (2.5 yrs, schooling) a year after apostasy...


    Returned to S.A. in Sep/08. 


    While living in KSA, do you feel safe surfing websites like this and posting your views openly?

    As far as I understand, internet access and internet use is very strictly monitored by the govt agencies there.
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #22 - August 23, 2009, 08:32 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on August 23, 2009, 03:43 PM
    What do you think of this..http://www.humanism.org.uk/humanism

    I will check it , Thanks Smiley
    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #23 - August 23, 2009, 08:41 PM
    What did you think of the link? Do you think it is a good code of life to follow?
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  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #24 - August 23, 2009, 08:50 PM
    well, i just got it now , and will need time to read it fully and understand what it`s about, i will get back to u on that .. Thanks again Smiley
    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #25 - August 23, 2009, 08:55 PM
    Quote from: open_thinking on August 23, 2009, 05:52 PM
    While living in KSA, do you feel safe surfing websites like this and posting your views openly?

    As far as I understand, internet access and internet use is very strictly monitored by the govt agencies there.


    I have that fear too! I don't use proxy and sometimes I get paranoid that one day they will trace my posts! evil
    ...
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #26 - August 24, 2009, 01:52 AM
    Quote from: RIBS on August 23, 2009, 02:43 PM
    Well, there you go Nothingthere.. We are quite a bunch! I feel better already! Cheesy


    yep, cool, more arabs here than i'd suspected. perhaps the culture can go on if/when it ditches the superstition. as an ajam (somewhat derogatory arabic term for persians) i don't feel less pride in my culture knowing that the 3 once popular persian religions (zoroastrianism, manism, mithraism) are no longer widely followed. i consider them as a part of the persian history. i'm sure those religions had their share of vices just like any other and of course just as superstitious.
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #27 - August 24, 2009, 10:30 AM
    love your avatar NothingThere.  Whose neck does it belong too?
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  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #28 - August 24, 2009, 10:50 AM
    Quote from: nothingthere on August 24, 2009, 01:52 AM
    yep, cool, more arabs here than i'd suspected. perhaps the culture can go on if/when it ditches the superstition. as an ajam (somewhat derogatory arabic term for persians) i don't feel less pride in my culture knowing that the 3 once popular persian religions (zoroastrianism, manism, mithraism) are no longer widely followed. i consider them as a part of the persian history. i'm sure those religions had their share of vices just like any other and of course just as superstitious.


    I hope this celeb guy "HAMID Rawendy" from KSA finds us and join in. That would be great!
    ...
  • Re: any arabs?
     Reply #29 - August 24, 2009, 11:10 AM
    Quote from: nothingthere on August 24, 2009, 01:52 AM
    yep, cool, more arabs here than i'd suspected...


    Actually there are a few more Arabs who haven't posted in a while i.e. Nizar (Jordanian lives in Sweden. Whatobaster - (I think he is also Saudi) - AllBrains (Egyptian)...
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