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Islam Channel Petition
OP - August 26, 2009, 11:08 PM

We need to get a Petition against the Islam Channel going. This channel is funded by the Saudi regime, its founder and CEO is a convicted terrorist and on Interpol's most wanted list and they regularly host extreme wahabi and Islamist speakers who attack the West.

Who is in?

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Reply #1 - August 26, 2009, 11:13 PM

Islame - its time this was stopped before a generation of children are brought up being brainwashed by this hatred and xenophibia

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Reply #2 - August 26, 2009, 11:25 PM

The founder of this channel supports the death penalty for apostates (as any Muslim who follows the sunnah of Muhammad should do)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRl5c-xPVA0

He also supports child abuse (listen from 6:00mins onwards)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fm-RvL6K8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSWZqNV2n80

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Reply #3 - August 27, 2009, 04:07 AM

YES! we need to show this to the authorities. this is not right!

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Reply #4 - August 27, 2009, 06:15 AM

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Reply #5 - August 27, 2009, 07:10 AM

What do you expect from a person whose last name is Naik?

In arabic the word Naik means FUCKER!

So basicly to me he is Dr Fucker!

Nuf said...

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Reply #6 - August 27, 2009, 07:25 AM

Quote from: RIBS on August 27, 2009, 07:10 AM
So basicly to me he is Dr Fucker!

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Reply #7 - August 27, 2009, 07:31 AM

Where is this channel broadcasting?

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Reply #8 - August 27, 2009, 07:34 AM

the UK via satellite.. and probably the rest of the world too! Loads of people are, particularly those that are retired, are hooked on it and pretty much watch it all day long.

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Reply #9 - August 27, 2009, 07:44 AM

Hmmm. Ok, so if it is being broadcast by satellite it will be difficult or impossible to block.

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Reply #10 - August 27, 2009, 08:43 AM

It is broadcast via Sky (satellite) or Virgin Media (cable). Hence it can be banned from transmission over those providers to which people pay a subscription fee.

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Reply #11 - August 27, 2009, 08:53 AM

Will the UK's hate speech laws cover this do you think?

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Reply #12 - August 27, 2009, 09:22 AM

I wouldn't rely on lame British laws to do anything. People have a real issue condemning brown fascists in the UK. I think we should produce a document highlighting the extremists channels and raise some awareness. Left unchecked these fuckers will brainwash a whole new generation of young Muslims.

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Reply #13 - August 27, 2009, 09:30 AM

Sounds good. Reason I asked is because I was wondering how the petition was going to get a result. It wont be through commercial pressure because you'd need enough sigs to counter the revenue from this station's audience before Sky and Virgin would do anything, plus if it looked like being threatened the station would just broadcast a "call to arms" and work up a counter-petition. That left me thinking that really you would need to hit them on legal or human rights grounds to have any impact.

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Reply #14 - August 27, 2009, 10:18 AM

Maybe a press release highlighting the key objections.

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Reply #15 - August 27, 2009, 02:05 PM

What is worse, the Islam Channel or Peace TV? I reckon Peace TV is a lot worse. The Islam Channel is quite watered down really whereas Peace TV is not, and Peace TV is a lot more popular.

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Reply #16 - August 27, 2009, 02:38 PM

Peace TV, Iqra TV and Islam Channel are the main ones that talk garbage.

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Reply #17 - August 27, 2009, 04:26 PM

Quote from: aliadiere on August 27, 2009, 02:05 PM
What is worse, the Islam Channel or Peace TV? I reckon Peace TV is a lot worse. The Islam Channel is quite watered down really whereas Peace TV is not, and Peace TV is a lot more popular.

I thought Peace TV was supposed to be PEACEFUL PEACEFUL

Well there is only like one Salafi on that program, and that is Abdur Raheem Green.

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Reply #18 - August 27, 2009, 04:37 PM

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I thought Peace TV was supposed to be PEACEFUL PEACEFUL Cheesy

Well there is only like one Salafi on that program, and that is Abdur Raheem Green.

Zakir Naik appears on it as well. I never understood the guy as far as his absurd logic was concerened, but even worse was his dress style! A suit with half mast trousers and a shirt with a collar size that you could hula hoop in!
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Reply #19 - August 27, 2009, 05:27 PM

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A suit with half mast trousers and a shirt with a collar size that you could hula hoop in!

He has half mast trousers because he is following the sunnah.

A Muslim man's lower garment is not supposed to go below the ankle. Any part below the ankle which is covered will be in the hell fire.

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Reply #20 - August 27, 2009, 06:02 PM

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He has half mast trousers because he is following the sunnah.

I knew that! Still looks silly though.
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Reply #21 - August 27, 2009, 06:21 PM

Quote from: Shahid Raza on August 27, 2009, 05:27 PM
He has half mast trousers because he is following the sunnah.

A Muslim man's lower garment is not supposed to go below the ankle. Any part below the ankle which is covered will be in the hell fire.

Yup, thats Islam for you. A ultra superstitious religion. Even though Muslims say its logical and free of superstitions, its still there lol.

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Reply #22 - August 27, 2009, 06:39 PM

Quote from: pakman on August 26, 2009, 11:08 PM
We need to get a Petition against the Islam Channel going. This channel is funded by the Saudi regime, its founder and CEO is a convicted terrorist and on Interpol's most wanted list and they regularly host extreme wahabi and Islamist speakers who attack the West.

Who is in?

My 18 year-old daughter does a youth section occasionally on that channel lol

Not sure what it's like in general - never watch it.

But I bet my daughter's bit is brilliant
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Reply #23 - August 27, 2009, 11:19 PM

Quote from: Shahid Raza on August 26, 2009, 11:25 PM
The founder of this channel supports the death penalty for apostates (as any Muslim who follows the sunnah of Muhammad should do)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRl5c-xPVA0

He also supports child abuse (listen from 6:00mins onwards)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fm-RvL6K8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSWZqNV2n80

Is this Islam Channel, Shahid?
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Reply #24 - August 28, 2009, 01:39 AM

Quote from: Shahid Raza on August 27, 2009, 05:27 PM
He has half mast trousers because he is following the sunnah.

A Muslim man's lower garment is not supposed to go below the ankle. Any part below the ankle which is covered will be in the hell fire.

Wow. Is there a hadith for that?

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Reply #25 - August 28, 2009, 05:21 AM

Quote from: Shahid Raza on August 27, 2009, 05:27 PM
He has half mast trousers because he is following the sunnah.

A Muslim man's lower garment is not supposed to go below the ankle. Any part below the ankle which is covered will be in the hell fire.

A friend of mine told me it was to avoid dirt. Maybe he didn't want to sound foolish.

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Reply #26 - August 28, 2009, 05:32 AM

How exactly do you distinguish hate speech from free speech. If you stop these garbage channels, cant they lawfully or atleasht justifably stop anti islamic articles or cartoons?

Just a thought.

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Reply #27 - August 28, 2009, 07:07 AM

Quote from: Angel54 on August 28, 2009, 01:39 AM
Wow. Is there a hadith for that?

Abu Hurairah (RA) reported: The Prophet (SAW) said,

"What is below the ankles of a lower garment is condemned to the Fire (Hell).'' (Al-Bukhari)

Abu Dharr (RA) reported: I heard the Prophet (SAW) saying, "There are three to whom Allah will neither speak on the Day of Resurrection nor will look at them nor purify them (i.e., of their sins), and they will be severely tormented.'' When he repeated this (statement) thrice, Abu Dharr (RA) said: "They are doomed and destroyed! (But) who are they, O Messenger of Allah (SAW)?'' He said, "One whose lower garment trails, one who boasts of kindness shown to another; and one who promotes sale of his business by taking false oaths.'' (Muslim)

Abu Hurairah (RA) reported: the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said to a man who was performing Salat while his lower garment was trailing, "Go and perform your Wudu' again.'' That man went and came back having performed it. The Messenger of Allah (SAW) said (again), "Go and perform your Wudu'.'' Someone present said to Messenger of Allah (SAW): "O Messenger of Allah! You ask him to perform his Wudu' and then you kept silent (without saying the reason for it).'' He (SAW) said, "He performed Salat while his lower garment was below his ankles. Allah does not accept the Salat of a man who trails his lower garment.'' (Abu Dawud)
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Reply #28 - August 29, 2009, 11:11 AM

Quote from: Diem on August 28, 2009, 05:32 AM
How exactly do you distinguish hate speech from free speech. If you stop these garbage channels, cant they lawfully or atleasht justifably stop anti islamic articles or cartoons?

Just a thought.

My thoughts on this..

I don't think it'd ever be easy to identify intended hate speech. The best thing to do is to allow all speech and refute possible hate speech. This would be easily possible on 'democratic platforms' where everyone gets an equal opportunity to speak, like on Internet forums or Youtube.

But in the case of 'elevated' or 'privileged' platforms, which are not accessible for refutation to the common folk either because
- of huge capital investement involved (1), (like a TV channel)
- or the platform has the umbrella of respect because of
-- 'popularity' (2) (say, like BBC, RDF or Pat Condell)
-- 'religion' (3) (which licenses any sort of indoctrination be it good, or bad since it is thought to be good like in the case of mosque or church sermons),
treatment could be different.

Islam channel satisfies 1 and 3

One way to address this this is to get this issue notified on equal platforms like the BBC, Guardian or Channel 4. When it's known that Islam channel and Peace TV are evidently engaged in radicalizing, and thus misusing their privilege, it'd probably make them less respectable so that even official Muslim bodies in UK would be forced to shun them. Then parents wouldn't allow children to watch them and the cable providers also would feel ashamed to broadcast them.

Btw, some time back, on BBC4 radio, Marcus Brigstocke, after he gave a strong bashing on Christianity, told "You wouldn't say that about Islam, eh?.... Here goes..all the beheadings, pedophilia, etc....Don't worry about me, I've done it before!"

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Reply #29 - August 30, 2009, 04:31 AM

I have a problem with limiting any sort of speech...but I'm not an expert on this and I wouldnt be able to formulate a proper opinion.

Are you guys in the same category as "cant yell fire in a crowd"?

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