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 Topic: High IQ turns academics into atheists

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #120 - September 09, 2009, 09:11 AM

    Ok, take widowbirds as an example. The males of these critters grow stupid long tails during the breeding season. If the tails were any bigger they wouldn't be able to fly at all, which would make the females even more prone to being "widowed" than they already are (no prizes for guessing how the name came about).

    Now as it turns out males with bigger tails also tend to have better genes. They need to to survive. So the female preference for bigger tails also leads to selecting better mates. This is ok as far as it goes. The weird thing is that experiments have been conducted with glue and scissors and feathers and it turns out that if you stick extra taily bits on a "wimpy" male he gets the chicks  grin12  and if you chop bits off the tail of one of the uber-butch birdies he doesn't get any chicks.  parrot

    So the females are programmed to go for longer tails regardless and don't know the bloody difference. The other thing is that they have tested using longer tails than are ever seen in nature and the female birds totally love them. Probably the only reason such tails don't already exist in nature is because the males wouldn't last long enough to breed, which would kinda balls things up for the whole species.

    Anyway what I'm getting at is that when you think about it this is a daft system for selecting mates. I mean if, for example, males with better genes had a red spot on their heads and other males didn't then this would be just as good for distinguishing them and what's more it would lead to less wastage of resources because the males would need less food and could put energy into their offspring instead of their tails. It would be a more sensible system but it hasn't evolved like that, so the widowbirds are stuck with silly great tails on their butts. Go figure.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #121 - September 09, 2009, 09:39 AM

    Dont you think it this need has evolved and there is a reason?  For example a longer tail, means the male remains dormant, and the female just 'hops on' and 'hops off' as she likes during her most fertile moments. 

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #122 - September 09, 2009, 10:23 AM

    Oh there is a reason alright but that isn't it.  Cheesy  Since when have males needed to be made 'dormant" to be available for sex? Come on, mate.  grin12

    The real reason is that if you had a simple system like red dots it can be faked by any male regardless of strength. Carrying a tail that might kill you cannot be faked by weaker males. They wouldn't live long enough to get away with it. So it's a way of ensuring "truth in advertising".

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #123 - September 09, 2009, 03:05 PM

    Since when have males needed to be made 'dormant" to be available for sex?

    e.g imagine this


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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #124 - September 09, 2009, 03:22 PM

    poor girl :(

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #125 - September 10, 2009, 12:50 PM

    Interesting/good post osmanthus. I'll get back to you, I have premature answers that need some time.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #126 - September 10, 2009, 11:44 PM

    So as I said, in the absence of strong evidence for the multiregional theory I tend to think the "out of Africa fairly recently in one lump" theory is more likely.


    Ah, ring species, thanks. I have wondered when the threshold occurs in genetic drift that voids breading between two species that share the same ancestor. I suppose shorter lives, faster reproduction and high mutations help. All that aside, I do think the bottleneck theory does explain why we are similar.

    As to why humans aren't a ring species - which could do be due to humans have long lives, longer reproduction cycles, low mutation rate (the opposite being bacteria!) - it's a good question. But not one that discounts the theory of there being mutations. There are plenty of mutations between human races: height, color, fast/slow muscle twitch, somatotype, skin colour ... so on this basis I find it difficult to believe that there isn't a difference overall between races on mental makes up. And this isn't just about IQ & EQ, I also think there is variation between: memory, spiritual feelings, mental diseases. It's pretty difficult to back up these statements without proper data, and I doubt there will be any since I bet many senior respected scientists don't want to be associated with racism.

    I said some of the harshest deserts on Earth. IOW, bloody hot and dry climates with extremely limited resources. These climates can be lethal very quickly.


    Hmm. I think some perspective is needed here. Humans will die in the most extreme conditions. Hot or cold. But take the moderate range where humans will move to in order to harvest, live and hunt animals, and it will be slightly less extreme both ends. So lets have two ranges, -5 - 25 degrees and 15-35 degrees. In a warmer climate there is less energy loss, that's why cold blooded animals and insects thrive. In colder climates to keep warm more energy/biomass is needed, even gained before the lowest temperatures of the winter.

    Hominid brains were increasing in size before any of them left Africa so it aint all down to hunting mammoths in Asia.


    It could be due to developing a language. It could be due to killing of Neanderthals. I still think cold climate is most viable options of the lot.

    As to nutrition needed for a growing brain, the latest articles I've read on is the power of Omega 3 in oily fish leading to human brain development. I think to some extent this is true, some studies have shown it improves concentration, and the Japanese love fish, and even eating it while it is still alive.
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #127 - September 12, 2009, 09:19 PM

    I watched the three documentary episode of "Gun, germs and steal". I agree with it for the most part in that geographical luck certainly gives certain races an advantage for time to innovate. The only issue is this: if Singapore, Thailand and other Asian countries have developed, why are there so many other countries today lagging behind?

    I think there are several reasons:
    - countries unlucky such as Zambia with a problem with malaria will lose much productivity
    - other nations just can't fight their corruption threshold. E.g. Sub-Saharan Africa and S. Asian nations.
    - other reasons???

    Seeing how corruption seems to be the bigger issue, I hypothesize that a difference in EQ between races probably leads to high and low corruption.
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #128 - September 12, 2009, 09:25 PM

    Glad you watched them - they are worth it.  If anyone else wants to watch them, then I posted the links in the reading thread/or you can find them on youtube.  

    In any case, it talks about those countries in later episodes, I recommend watching them all and then come to any conclusions..

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #129 - September 12, 2009, 10:12 PM

    The book was very good so I imagine the vid doco would be too. The main thing that got Diamond started was spending time with native New Guinea people. He had been wondering why such obviously intelligent people, who knew a hell of a lot about their immediate surroundings and could make good use of them, would have lagged so far behind in technological terms. One day he's walking through the forest with one of the locals and this guy asks him much the same question that he had been thinking of himself.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #130 - September 12, 2009, 10:14 PM

    "why does white man have cargo, and we dont?"

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #131 - September 14, 2009, 01:19 AM

    In any case, it talks about those countries in later episodes, I recommend watching them all and then come to any conclusions..


    There are three hour long episode on youtube. The last one discussed about Singapore (and or similar countries) but nothing about countries still in poverty today. Or did I miss something?

    The New Guinea people do come across as pretty intelligent to survive in their world. But from reading about the social structure, attachment to the land I still question their progressiveness.

    What I can't understand is: why have East Asians adopted new technologies to become developed while there are still many countries in poverty today?
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #132 - September 14, 2009, 02:27 AM

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    What I can't understand is: why have East Asians adopted new technologies to become developed while there are still many countries in poverty today?


    The answer to that is complex.  It may take a bit of brain work to understand, it may even take a three hour video to understand.  However, I would still recommend Jared Diamond's book, Guns, Germs and Steel. 

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #133 - September 14, 2009, 07:36 AM

    There are three hour long episode on youtube. The last one discussed about Singapore (and or similar countries) but nothing about countries still in poverty today. Or did I miss something?

    The New Guinea people do come across as pretty intelligent to survive in their world. But from reading about the social structure, attachment to the land I still question their progressiveness.

    What I can't understand is: why have East Asians adopted new technologies to become developed while there are still many countries in poverty today?

    It showed that they had adopted malaria control procedures early, which may have been as a result of the early progression of the countries nearby and competitive pressures.  Anyhow did you enjoy it?

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #134 - September 14, 2009, 08:08 AM

    The answer to that is complex.  It may take a bit of brain work to understand, it may even take a three hour video to understand.  However, I would still recommend Jared Diamond's book, Guns, Germs and Steel. 

    The video was done by Jared Diamond and based on the book

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #135 - September 14, 2009, 12:46 PM

    Yes the 3 documentaries were fantastic, definitely makes a lot of sense and answers many questions.

    I understand the issue of malaria control procedures. My question is what about countries that don't suffer from diseases, have access to modern technology, have no reason not to innovate .... but still lag behind. I'm sure it is a complex answer but sometimes I think:

    - If it wasn't for oil money, Islamic Revival wouldn't have happened and the only way toward attaining money would have been through R&D. Something, lacking a lot in the Arab world.
    - If it wasn't for a communism, N.Korea might be more like S.Korea. Same with China. India too to a certain extent, they only tried to stop being self-sufficient since 1990s.
    - If it wasn't for corruption a lot of poor countries would develop. But I think corruption in itself is a characteristic trait amongst a population, probably due to low EQ.
    - ... and finally, for GDP to really increase, in this modern age it comes down to R&D. Singapore, Taiwan, S.Korea pour money into anything applicable. And for R&D to really happen, the workforce needs a trait of skillets amongst a population that include high EQ and IQ. But before R&D can happen, a corrupt free, freemarket economy without disease and access to modern farming is required.

    ... alright I'll read the book version, hopefully there is more detail than the episodes!
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