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  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #30 - September 06, 2009, 10:51 PM

    If a disabled person can accept reincarnation then maybe its not that disgusting a concept, its just the way we understand it

    Disagree. Using misogyny as an example; there are women in the world who try to rationalise their oppression and make it seem perfectly justifiable. This does not make it ok as there are always those who suffer from such beliefs.
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #31 - September 07, 2009, 06:58 AM

    what is better, they being sent to hell to burn for eternity? While that god goes ahead and creates perfect and imperfect beings.

    Or

    Be born again with suffering in proportion to the bad things done in previous lives?



    Both are disgusting concepts and I cannot believe that IF there is a God/Cosmic Force or whatever - he can't to better than both of them!
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #32 - September 07, 2009, 07:37 AM

    I don't know about this, and i don't have the answers, but it very much seems to me that you, Hass, anyway, are doing a similar thing that the conmen who invented the Koran etc did, ie; trying to understand/portray a God by giving him human characteristics, so that it fits in nicely with your way of looking at things. Given the mysteries of time, whether it really exists and the fact that this life is a blink of an eye, relatively speaking, who are you to say what is unnacceptable? Or to suggest that if things are like x, y or z, then you don't want to play coz its nasty?

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #33 - September 07, 2009, 09:27 AM

    Quote from: PeruvianSkies
    Disagree. Using misogyny as an example; there are women in the world who try to rationalise their oppression and make it seem perfectly justifiable. This does not make it ok as there are always those who suffer from such beliefs.


    That's a point but not an appropriate analogy. Accepting reincarnation does not affect your human rights or place you under supression. Its simply a belief that, 'what goes around comes around', 'what you sow so shall you reap'. It should encourage you to do good in this life, be humane, treat others with love and respect to improve your future.

    Quote from: Cheetah
    No, its a disgusting concept even if disabled people can rationalise it.  It is less disgusting than eternal damnation though, even though its an older belief.  Its a concept that was ahead of its time when it was thought up.


    I suppose that's it. If you had to believe in god, one who rewards you with another life based on your deeds in your past lives or a god that sends you to an eternal hell for any little transgression or simply not bellieving in him, then the former is much less disgusting.


    Quote from: Hassan
    Both are disgusting concepts and I cannot believe that IF there is a God/Cosmic Force or whatever - he can't to better than both of them!


    If what you go through in this life is directly proportional to the good and bad you did in a previous life, as reincarnation claims, then that's better justice than hell which appears to be more like revenge.

    The problem I see with reincarnation though is you don't remember your past life so what is the point of suffering or benefitting from something you can't remember? Though some would say karma is a natural law and whether you know it or not the law is administered.

    But there are cases where people do claim to remember their past life. There is also hynotic regression where under hypnosis one can be taken back to previous lives. Not sure how scientific those are. There used to be a program on tv with people being regressed to previous lives to discover why they have certain problems in this one.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #34 - September 07, 2009, 09:34 AM

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    But there are cases where people do claim to remember their past life. There is also hynotic regression where under hypnosis one can be taken back to previous lives. Not sure how scientific those are. There used to be a program on tv with people being regressed to previous lives to discover why they have certain problems in this one.


    But don't you think that's pretty much like people who claim to have had direct experiences with god, jesus, allah, shiva or whoever?  Or, for that matter, people who will swear up and down, sincerely, that they were abducted by aliens? 

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  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #35 - September 07, 2009, 10:14 AM

    No its different, because there are documented cases where claims of persons remembering past lives do tally with events they speak about even though it can be shown that they had no knowledge of the area, people or culture they claim to remember. It seems many times its children who make the claims.

    wiki's page here discusses it with links to research done: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation_research
    Here's the wiki page on Dr. Ian Stevenson who's done much research on the subject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Reincarnation_and_Biology_Intersect

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #36 - September 07, 2009, 10:40 AM


    The problem I see with reincarnation though is you don't remember your past life so what is the point of suffering or benefitting from something you can't remember? Though some would say karma is a natural law and whether you know it or not the law is administered.




    If you can't remember the previous life after reincarnation, then is it really you? If you can, then you as a kid could have an entire adult memory using which you could directly be a doctor at 5, for example. Still it doesn't make sense because our memories are supposed to be dead with the decay of our brain cells. Or is it somehow transmitted to our soul?

    Maybe our soul keeps track of it somehow. But is our soul so desperate that it'd rather be any human rather than just float around?


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    That's a point but not an appropriate analogy. Accepting reincarnation does not affect your human rights or place you under supression.


    Still it would'nt be a problem if you are taught not to bother with your human rights. But there'd always some humans who would bother no matter how much you try to brainwash them. Same goes for the acceptance of the idea of reincarnation.

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    Its simply a belief that, 'what goes around comes around', 'what you sow so shall you reap'. It should encourage you to do good in this life, be humane, treat others with love and respect to improve your future.


    On the one hand, you'd try to make the world better (especially in places where there is the highest population growth, cos that's where you'd most likely be born). On the other hand you could think of blowing up the entire 'cruel world' so that you need not bother about being born again into it.


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    "God is addicted to arithmetic" - Sir James Jeans
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #37 - September 07, 2009, 11:31 AM

    I don't know about this, and i don't have the answers, but it very much seems to me that you, Hass, anyway, are doing a similar thing that the conmen who invented the Koran etc did, ie; trying to understand/portray a God by giving him human characteristics, so that it fits in nicely with your way of looking at things. Given the mysteries of time, whether it really exists and the fact that this life is a blink of an eye, relatively speaking, who are you to say what is unnacceptable? Or to suggest that if things are like x, y or z, then you don't want to play coz its nasty?


    Of course - anything is possible. As Ahmed Bahgat once told me, 'just because I find Allah unbelievably cruel and sadistic does not mean Islam is not true.' Likewise Sparky told me that 'just because I find the Trinity incomprehensible or illogical doesn't mean it is not true.'

    The point is can I believe in concepts that seem either incredibly cruel, pointless or irrational to me?

    Since I have no other means by which to judge these claims, I have to use my sense of reason, logic and what seems cruel and pointless.

    If I'm wrong - so be it!

    If my stupidity and faulty reasoning means that the Cosmic Karmic Laws determine that I must come back as a dung beetle - please be kind to me.

     grin12
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #38 - September 07, 2009, 11:58 AM

    "If I'm wrong - so be it!"

    Why the need to make your mind up right this second? Why not look deeper into it? You seem to be saying 'I've had enough looking now, it's conclusion time!' - when it's never conclusion time.

    If my stupidity and faulty reasoning means that the Cosmic Karmic Laws determine that I must come back as a dung beetle - please be kind to me."

    No, gonna squash you Smiley



    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #39 - September 07, 2009, 12:01 PM

    Wow - an ex-muslim dung beetle, in that case I'll lend him a leaf to squirt his eggs on

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  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #40 - September 07, 2009, 12:06 PM

    Quote from: Brainyape
    If you can't remember the previous life after reincarnation, then is it really you? If you can, then you as a kid could have an entire adult memory using which you could directly be a doctor at 5, for example. Still it doesn't make sense because our memories are supposed to be dead with the decay of our brain cells. Or is it somehow transmitted to our soul?


    One would imagine that a small amount of memories stay with the soul. According to research those who can recollect past lives its usually because of traumatic events they experienced at some point in their past life. So its quite blurred reccolection of people and places.

    You have a new brain which apparently as it gets older forgets past life experiences if there were any. Becoming a doctor at 5 is hardly likely. Though proponents of reincarnation do correlate past life experiences with cases of early prodigious behaviour.

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    Maybe our soul keeps track of it somehow. But is our soul so desperate that it'd rather be any human rather than just float around?


    I'm not sure if the soul has a choice to float around or be just any human being. Based on your life's deeds you get an appropriate body to reap the results of what you've sowed.

    Quote
    Still it would'nt be a problem if you are taught not to bother with your human rights. But there'd always some humans who would bother no matter how much you try to brainwash them. Same goes for the acceptance of the idea of reincarnation.


    Reincarnation, if its a universal law, really cannot be compared to a mundane human practice like subjugating women. The latter is a system of forcing women into subservient roles which can be easily denounced based on experiences in other societies. And it is slowly being eroded. Like slavery has been.

    Reincarnatoin however, if it is as described in Eastern philosophies, is a natural law. Much like gravity is a natural law. No matter what you think, if you walk off a tall building, gravity will pull you down and you'd die. You can say that gravity is disgusting, or against human rights because it can kill people, but it has its purpose. Of course there is scientific research to be done in the area of reincarnation like there had to be for many of the natural laws we now take for granted.

    Quote
    On the other hand you could think of blowing up the entire 'cruel world' so that you need not bother about being born again into it.


    Who says that the world is all cruel? There is much good things in it. Those who believe in reincarnation would most likely not entertain such idea (blowing up the world) because they see this life/body as a vehicle for reaching a higher plane. By destroying it, the soul would not be able to achieve its ultimate goal of Nirvana.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #41 - September 07, 2009, 12:13 PM

    Hass - you better check your plumbing, something aint right


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  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #42 - September 07, 2009, 12:22 PM

    "If I'm wrong - so be it!"

    Why the need to make your mind up right this second? Why not look deeper into it? You seem to be saying 'I've had enough looking now, it's conclusion time!' - when it's never conclusion time.


    Oh I don't mean I have stopped searching - but merely that this is where I am right now when it comes to a belief, such as 'disabled people were 'bad' in a pervious life'.

    If I discover new info or way of making sense of this then I will modify my views.

    But at this point and from my perspective it sounds utterly disgusting and unbelievable that any sort of Cosmic Force of nature should have to make a person suffer a life-time of disability because of some unknown 'bad' behaviour in another life.

    But I'll keep, learning, searching and trying to find out what life means till the day I die - though you have to forgive me for getting a little weary.
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #43 - September 07, 2009, 12:58 PM


    Reincarnatoin however, if it is as described in Eastern philosophies, is a natural law. Much like gravity is a natural law. No matter what you think, if you walk off a tall building, gravity will pull you down and you'd die. You can say that gravity is disgusting, or against human rights because it can kill people, but it has its purpose. Of course there is scientific research to be done in the area of reincarnation like there had to be for many of the natural laws we now take for granted.



    If the idea is "Believe it if it is true, even if it's bad" then it's fine. But "Believe it if it comforts you" as in the case for disabled people is not, especially if the belief might cause other people to act in an insane way.

    Quote

    Who says that the world is all cruel? There is much good things in it. Those who believe in reincarnation would most likely not entertain such idea (blowing up the world) because they see this life/body as a vehicle for reaching a higher plane. By destroying it, the soul would not be able to achieve its ultimate goal of Nirvana.



    If it's scientifically proved we have to believe it anyway. But entertaining the idea(of reincarnation) with more respect than religious superstitions for other reasons might cause different people to have different beliefs, since it's not based on the truth.

    Some may take it in the spiritual sense(Nirvana) as you said, but when their is no clear evidence, some of us, like the ordinary mortal beings we are, are likely to let the fear of being born again as a beetle, guide our interpretations. Unwishful thinking could be equally dangerous as wishful thinking.




    Ajan Brahm was talking about big eared blind mutant cats that evolved from kittens thrown into a coal mine in South Wales to justify his idea of evolution by desire (rather than by natural selection). Has anyone heard of it? Googling didn't help me.

    "God is a geometer" - Plato

    "God is addicted to arithmetic" - Sir James Jeans
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #44 - September 07, 2009, 02:49 PM

    Quote from: brainyape
    If the idea is "Believe it if it is true, even if it's bad" then it's fine. But "Believe it if it comforts you" as in the case for disabled people is not


    I don't think reincarnation is used as a philosophy for 'comforting' the less fortunate. It is a more a concept of looking to the future, your next birth, than the past. Improving on this life. I don't think it can comfort anyone. On the contrary it can make you feel guilty about things done before. But if understood could result in you improving your outlook and deeds in this life to ensure a better next life.

    Quote
    especially if the belief might cause other people to act in an insane way.


    Can you give me an example of how belief in reincarnation can make people act in an insane way?

    Quote
    If it's scientifically proved we have to believe it anyway. But entertaining the idea(of reincarnation) with more respect than religious superstitions for other reasons might cause different people to have different beliefs, since it's not based on the truth.


    We don't know all truths. You mean it is not based on scientific evidence.

    Reincarnation is believed by many people regardless of their religion. OK it is supernatural and people can have various ways of understanding it. How do you see that as being detrimental to humanity?

    Quote
    Some may take it in the spiritual sense(Nirvana) as you said, but when their is no clear evidence, some of us, like the ordinary mortal beings we are, are likely to let the fear of being born again as a beetle, guide our interpretations. Unwishful thinking could be equally dangerous as wishful thinking.


    How would the fear of being born as a beetle guide your interpretation negatively? Karma is about action and reaction. If you do good you will receive good. If you do not want to be born as a beetle then you should do good. It's a concept that encourages the doing of good to all creation.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #45 - September 07, 2009, 02:53 PM

    A Gahazali - well put to the above.

    Brainyape - how do we know it's not the truth, reincarnation, as you suggest?

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #46 - September 07, 2009, 02:58 PM

    A)Oh I don't mean I have stopped searching -

    B)But at this point and from my perspective it sounds utterly disgusting and unbelievable that any sort of Cosmic Force of nature should have to make a person suffer a life-time of disability because of some unknown 'bad' behaviour in another life.



    A - It certainly seems like you're more interested in concluding that things are bullshit more than you are interested in researching things in depth.

    B) But since you know your perspective is probably very limited, don't you think that's a bit of a bold and simplistic satement to make? It almost sounds like you've tailored your post to be used as a letter to The Sun.


    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #47 - September 07, 2009, 03:09 PM

    A - It certainly seems like you're more interested in concluding that things are bullshit more than you are interested in researching things in depth.

    B) But since you know your perspective is probably very limited, don't you think that's a bit of a bold and simplistic satement to make? It almost sounds like you've tailored your post to be used as a letter to The Sun.



    tbh I'm not sure what your point is in all of this?

    Are you defending the belief that 'people born with disability or handicap are that way because they were 'bad' in a previous life and now they must suffer a life-time of pain without knowing why' - if you are I'd really like to hear your explanation.

    If your point is that I could be wrong because there maybe explanations I don't know or can't understand and I should always be open to new information/perspective - then I have never contended that point.

    But if your point is that because there might be explanations I am unaware of - I should not doubt this belief - then I don't accept that. I have a perfect right and good reason to doubt it.

    If I hear a good explanation of why it is not incredibly cruel and pointless and why the Cosmic Forces that be should need to do things this way and not some other less cruel way - then I have very good reason to reject such a belief and call it disgusting.

    And if I should not doubt this cruel and irrational belief because there "might" be a good explanation - then where should I stop? On what basis can one reject some cruel irrational beliefs and accept others?

    Or should we believe them all?

    Remember - keeping an open mind if new information comes to light is NOT the issue here.
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #48 - September 07, 2009, 06:37 PM

    So is there really any scientific evidence that we reincarnate?  It seems to be anecdotal, from what was mentioned here.  Speaking only for myself, if there can't be any real, measurable, observable scientific evidence for something, I can't entertain the idea of believing in it.  Only because of the way I lived Islam for so long with that false 'scientifically true' meme. I accepted the words of Muslims that the scientific claims of Islam were true - I'm not very good with science or particularly interested in it - only to realize, of course, that they pretty much lie their asses off.  Do you understand where I am coming from?

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  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #49 - September 07, 2009, 07:03 PM

    I'm the same - unless there is any scientific evidence of spirits, after-life/birth - then I remain a closed any further religions.  I wont investigate anymore as I have waster far too much time on it as it is, and there is so much more I want to do before I cark it.  My stance is now that until I hear it reaches mainstream media (and believe me it will) that there is scientific evidence to such claims, then and only then will i research it.

    History has proved that there is too much deceipt going on to do otherwise, and am sure in that in todays world, god would be aware that if he really wanted anyone to believe in him, all he would need to do is to provide something as simple as concrete proof/evidence of his existance.  

    That certainly would not be beyond his means if he claims to have invented the universe and its contents from scratch.

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  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #50 - September 07, 2009, 08:51 PM

    The thing is, I really  have had enough of religion to last me three lifetimes (get it? Reincarnation joke there Cheesy)  But now and then I just feel like I want some sort of community, some ritualistic practise of a sort, some mystery (other than the mystery of wondering if there are other life forms out there)... the things that made me such a strong god-believer for so long and attracted me to sufism as well.

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  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #51 - September 07, 2009, 08:56 PM

    some ritualistic practise of a sort, some mystery (other than the mystery of wondering if there are other life forms out there)...

    I dont have this need, as I have long since established that its all horse manure and what people do who have  little grip on reality.

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  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #52 - September 07, 2009, 09:00 PM

    The thing is, I really  have had enough of religion to last me three lifetimes (get it? Reincarnation joke there Cheesy)  But now and then I just feel like I want some sort of community, some ritualistic practise of a sort, some mystery (other than the mystery of wondering if there are other life forms out there)... the things that made me such a strong god-believer for so long and attracted me to sufism as well.


    Hence the reason why it's important to have some sort of ex-muslim community, now that we don't have that aspect in our life.
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #53 - September 07, 2009, 09:09 PM


    tbh I'm not sure what your point is in all of this?

    Are you defending the belief that 'people born with disability or handicap are that way because they were 'bad' in a previous life and now they must suffer a life-time of pain without knowing why' - if you are I'd really like to hear your explanation.



    No I'm not defending it, because i don't know. My point is that you are very dismissive of anything that doesn't fit your image of the kind of god you might believe in. I know there's a lot of bullshit out there, but you have to assume an awful lot to do that.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #54 - September 07, 2009, 09:22 PM

    I dont have this need, as I have long since established that its all horse manure and what people do who have  little grip on reality.


    The thing is, life has its ups and downs. And in bad times the religious institutions have the structure to support individual/families in a way the non-religious do not have. Also the need of most humans to have some figure to depend on, a god character they can put hope in.

    Which is why a circle of like minded individuals on forums like these are a essential.
     

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  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #55 - September 07, 2009, 09:25 PM

    The thing is, I really  have had enough of religion to last me three lifetimes (get it? Reincarnation joke there Cheesy)  But now and then I just feel like I want some sort of community, some ritualistic practise of a sort, some mystery (other than the mystery of wondering if there are other life forms out there)... the things that made me such a strong god-believer for so long and attracted me to sufism as well.


    I find a lot of mystery, beauty and awe in nature. Like what it says in this article on the Daylight Atheism site:

    Quote
    For those who are grieving, for those who mourn, and for all those who are burdened with the weary weight of sorrow, I have a prescription.

    Find a quiet, peaceful place, a green field of grass where great trees grow and gift the world with their shade. Let it be just before sunset, at that golden hour when the heat of the afternoon is past, when the sky is blue as a pearl and the setting sun hues the world in its last, richest and most transitory light.

    Sit against the trunk of an old and massive tree, one that's lived through summers and winters untold. Lean on its rough, moss-clad bark and feel the slow, patient pulse of the life in the green heart of the wood. Try to clear your mind of thought, and listen.

    Put your hand on the earth, tangle your fingers in the soft blades of the grass, and hear it whisper to you. It knows about death, about loss; it dies each winter, when the snows and frosts come. But that isn't the end of its story: it's born anew in the spring, remade each year, playing its part in the mystery of eternal renewal that our ancestors knew intimately.

    Hear the wind's call as it passes by, rustling across the grass. It teaches that nothing is permanent, everything is transitory. Life is a pattern of change, of ebb and flow, loss and renewal, death and rebirth. Like the wind, all things arise in their time, sweep by us, and pass on.

    Hear a trill of birdsong float down from the green and golden branches of the trees. Their singing should remind us that life itself is music, a great unbroken symphony, and if they do not scorn to play their part, neither should we. In truth, we are not the singers: we are the notes of the melody. There, a birth, a joyous rising chord; here, a death, a plaintive falling note. Each life is a brief theme in the choral harmony, and like every musical theme, it has a beginning and an ending; but if played well, it may inspire exuberant new bursts of music that transcend the original.

    Look up to the high boughs of the trees. Look up, because most of us don't do it often enough, and see their branches rise like pillars through endless halls of green. Look past them to the sky beyond, where the stars glimmer unseen beyond the blue haze of our atmosphere, and reflect on how small we all are in the ultimate accounting, how low we stand in the grandest scheme of things. In a way, our insignificance is strangely comforting. It reminds us to look beyond our day-to-day concerns, beyond the small glories and the small sorrows, and to keep in mind the whole vast cosmos that dwells beyond the private walls of grief. And when our gaze returns to earth, when we descend from that lofty plane back to our own small circle of warmth and light, let it be with a renewed sense of our own purpose in living.

    No matter what happens after death - whether we are reborn, go on to another place, or simply cease - there is beauty in this life, as much as we could ask for. There are green fields and peaceful waters, the hush of the dawn and fireflies in the summer evenings, the glory of sunset and the silent, holy falling of snow on dark clear nights. If there is any complaint we might justly make, it is not that this life lacks meaning, but rather that it has so many meaningful things to do and to explore that one lifetime is not enough for all of them.

    It's true, as an old book says, that we live in the valley of the shadow of death. But that should not be a source of fear to us. That proximity is the very thing that makes our lives meaningful, that makes them sacred. The knowledge of our own mortality should imbue each day with an ocean of significance; it should be the signpost on the trail, pointing the way for us to live life to the fullest, with the most awareness, and the deepest joy.

    Someday we, too, will slumber under green fields. Our story will be told, our journey will be complete. But in the interim, in this time and this place, we are alive and free. We have a long way left to walk before the evening falls, before the time comes to lay our burdens down. Let us choose our path wisely, and find worthy companions to accompany us along the way. And one more, personal word of advice: take the time to explore the side trails and detours. You'll find secrets and wonders that will make the effort worthwhile.


    Also, studying astronomy gives me that sense of magnitude and reverence that makes me calm inside:


    A small, dense object only twelve miles in diameter is responsible for this beautiful X-ray nebula that spans 150 light years.
    Chandra Images

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #56 - September 07, 2009, 09:27 PM

    it's important to have some sort of ex-muslim community


    +1!!!

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  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #57 - September 07, 2009, 09:46 PM



    Anyone notice how that looks like a hand?

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #58 - September 07, 2009, 10:00 PM

    Anyone notice how that looks like a hand?


    Allah is snatching a hot dog. Allahu snackbar!

    btw, Isn't that haram?
    or is it a beef hot dog?


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  • Re: Buddhism
     Reply #59 - September 07, 2009, 10:03 PM

    Actually that looks more like someone is rubbing an all mighty vagina.

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
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