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  • Fuck Gun Control
     OP - September 09, 2009, 06:31 PM
    I was forwarded this article today, and I couldn't agree more.

    -----Original Message-----

    From: Parker Ray Blevins, Ph.D.








    Subject: The world history of gun control politics

    Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:36:19 -0700










     


     


    Gun History


    After reading the following historical facts, read the part

    about Switzerland twice.



    A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control..  From 1929 to 1953,

    about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded

    up and exterminated.


    ------------------------------



    In 1911, Turkey established gun control.  From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million

    Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and

    exterminated.


    ------------------------------



    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total

    of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were

    rounded up and exterminated.


    ------------------------------

      China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million

    political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and

    exterminated




    =0
    A------------------------------



    Guatemala established gun control in 1964.  From 1964 to 1981, 100,000

    Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and

    exterminated.


     ------------------------------



    Uganda established gun control in 1970.  From 1971 to 1979, 300,000

    Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and

    exterminated


    ------------------------------



    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million

    educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and

    exterminated.




    -----------------------------


    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century

    because of gun control: 56 million.


    ------------------------------



    It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by

    new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their

    own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500

    million dollars. The first year results are now in:



    List of 7 items:



    Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.



    Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.



    Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!


    In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300

    percent.  Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the

    =0
    Acriminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!



    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in

    armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the

    past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is

    unarmed.



    There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the

    ELDERLY.  Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public

    safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was

    expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.  The

    Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.



    You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians

    disseminating this information.



    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,

    gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens



    Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!



    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them

    of this history lesson.



    With guns, we are 'citizens.'


    Without them, we are 'subjects'.



    During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew

    most Americans were ARMED!

     

    If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message

    to all of your friends.



    The purpose of figh
    ting is to win.  There is no possible victory in

    defense.  The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more

    important than either.  The final weapon is the brain.  All else is

    supplemental.


    SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!


       SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.


    SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY


    CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!


    IT'S A NO BRAINER!


    DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS


    IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.



    I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment!


    If you are too,


    please forward...

    Remember kids, say no to gun control  Afro
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #1 - September 09, 2009, 06:40 PM
    Two sides to every story.

    Personally, and on a personal basis only I am glad that we don't have guns in the UK, I can't imagine the crime levels with that sort of weapon available to the blut blut gangsters.

    The situation is probably different in America.
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #2 - September 09, 2009, 06:47 PM
    Well what you're forgetting is that gangs can smuggle in guns. If people are persistant enough, they can get the job done. In the U.S, mafias were smuggling in alcohol when alcohol was banned by the govt.

    Today, gangs in the U.S are smuggling in weapons the U.S troops are using in Afghanistan. They are using it for gang wars and civilians are caught in the crossfire. Personally speaking, if I was caught in a crossfire between two gang members, I would really want to have a gun on me to suppress fire while getting the hell outta there. I think if we did the same as the Switz., there would be less criminals as everyone would know people has the capabilities to fight back.
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #3 - September 09, 2009, 06:54 PM
    Jup, im Swiss, and only 4 feet away from me, in my closet i have an M16.

    You know why we have such a low gun related criminal statistic? because we are tought how to use them properly and how to handle them with responsibility.

    Thats it. Its an honor and a burden for every male Citizen of Switzerland to store his Rifle at home, and we take this dam seriously...
     its one of the things you NEVER joke about here. Noone ever says, just for fun, im going to take my rifle and shoot someone... Never... im dead serious.

    And yes, im talking about honor here. Not the twisted sense of honor that exists in other Armys... im talking about real honor. A Soldier only kills in War, and his weapon rests in times of peace! The End!
    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
    "there is no religion of peace, only people who are peaceful while being religious."
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #4 - September 09, 2009, 06:56 PM
    Quote from: DigDeep on September 09, 2009, 06:54 PM
    A Soldier only kills in War, and his weapon rests in times of peace! The End!


    +1
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #5 - September 09, 2009, 07:13 PM
    Quote from: DigDeep on September 09, 2009, 06:54 PM
    You know why we have such a low gun related criminal statistic? because we are tought how to use them properly and how to handle them with responsibility

    Nah, I think its because you have a civilised population, with or without the guns.
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #6 - September 09, 2009, 07:18 PM
    That may help, yes, but the first few days of your 15 training weeks in the Military they constantly lecture you about what it means to have this Rifle at home.

    And yes, we are a calm kind. Maybe becuase we never participated in a War since 700 Years. We just dont like to harm other people...
    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
    "there is no religion of peace, only people who are peaceful while being religious."
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #7 - September 09, 2009, 07:31 PM
    I'm moving to Switzerland.
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #8 - September 09, 2009, 07:32 PM
    I agree with Islame

    You don't have a high level of poverty, social tension, racial/ethnic tension, gang violence and other high crime factors we have in the UK (not to the extent at least) and thus even without guns you have a low rate of crime. If we had a low rate of crime we could think about having M16s.

    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #9 - September 09, 2009, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on September 09, 2009, 07:31 PM
    I'm moving to Switzerland.


    +1

    I really admire the Swiss culture for so many reasons.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #10 - September 09, 2009, 07:45 PM
    Well I think there is a correlation between civilians having guns in Switzerland and low crime rates. I agree that the Swiss could have a  civilized society without guns, but I strongly believe that allowance of guns is the cause of low crime rates in Switzerland. I mean lets not forget, Switzerland is not completely empty of crimes--it's just massively low. And I think within next 10 years if Switzerland were to force gun control then the crime rates would rise.

    I'm not denying that there are not other factors for the Switzerland to be such a calm nation, but I do think guns play a role.
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #11 - September 09, 2009, 08:01 PM
    Actually, you are not allowed to use your rifle in self defense. There is only one reason, and ONLY one, you are allowed to load your weapon, and this is in case of an Invasion.

    I can tell you what holds the crime rate so low here. Its a good social system. Every Citizen pays alot into the social pot. Even if you are out of a job, the state provides you with an appartement, food, and other stuff ( in some cases even with a car.). You would say this leads to abuse of the system, but we Swiss have a high Workmoral. before the rezetion we had an unemployment rate of 2.8%... thats something most other countrys can dream of. Now we are at 6%, but its allready going down again.

    That every male citizen has a rifle at home is a neutral factor. It dousnt affect the crime rate in any way. Its not like we grab this rifle everytime a stranger walks by our House. We barely look at it. We do the regular cleaning, and thats it.

    Like i said before, we take this dead serious. In the last 30 Years only once were a military rifle used in an attempt to shoot someone.

    In my oppinion, it wouldt matter if we got rid of the guns...wouldnt change anything. But this is different in any country. I say this would never work in the UK or the US.
    Has nothing to do with Guns... only with people.
    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
    "there is no religion of peace, only people who are peaceful while being religious."
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #12 - September 09, 2009, 08:02 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on September 09, 2009, 07:45 PM
    Well I think there is a correlation between civilians having guns in Switzerland and low crime rates. I agree that the Swiss could have a  civilized society without guns, but I strongly believe that allowance of guns is the cause of low crime rates in Switzerland.

    I'm not denying that there are not other factors for the Switzerland to be such a calm nation, but I do think guns play a role.

    I dont think guns are a cause of Switzerlands low crime rate, nor am I concerned about responsible people armed with a gun.  

    Gun culture throughout society in particular amongst fearless, crazy macho yobs is what I fear most.
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #13 - September 09, 2009, 08:39 PM
    Quote from: DigDeep on September 09, 2009, 08:01 PM
    Actually, you are not allowed to use your rifle in self defense.


    You can't use your rifle for self defense? Not even if someone invades your home and attempts to kill you and your family?  Huh?
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #14 - September 09, 2009, 08:44 PM
    Nope... but actually... Noone ever breaks into houses to kill somone here. Just dousnt happen. Like in canada. If they break in they do it when you are not home, and they just steal your stuff, wich will be replaced by the insurance company.

    But just for the sake of the argument, if somone breaks into my House and tries to kill me, and it is undoubtable that my life is in danger, i would rather grab a knife, because it takes far to long and is way to noisy to load my Rifle.

    But as stated above. Never happens. We are a no killing culture. The last 5 years or so every homicide in siwtzerland was commited by imigrants... im not racist, its just a fact.

    Sidenote: Dont thing we are pussies. There is a reason Nazigermany didnt invade us. And its not because we had the money... We are the single best defensive army in the world. Think of the Taliban, just organized, equiped with most modern technology and much more of them in the saim terrain with a national pride wich would make US citizens jelous  Cheesy
    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
    "there is no religion of peace, only people who are peaceful while being religious."
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #15 - September 09, 2009, 08:46 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on September 09, 2009, 08:39 PM
    You can't use your rifle for self defense? Not even if someone invades your home and attempts to kill you and your family?  Huh?

    They cant be that much of a deterrent then.. DigDeep what % own guns?  The the yardies on the street corner use them?  In the UK its mostly knife crime..
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #16 - September 09, 2009, 08:50 PM
    Quote from: DigDeep on September 09, 2009, 08:44 PM
    Nope... but actually... Noone ever breaks into houses to kill somone here. Just dousnt happen. Like in canada.


    As much as I like the Swiss culture, I wouldn't put my trust in that statement.

    Quote from: DigDeep on September 09, 2009, 08:44 PM
    But just for the sake of the argument, if somone breaks into my House and tries to kill me, and it is undoubtable that my life is in danger, i would rather grab a knife, because it takes far to long and is way to noisy to load my Rifle.


    A knife? I don't think so. Not when the invader(s) may have guns too.

    And I would keep my gun loaded at all times--with the safety on of course. It takes much less time to click safety on or off than grab a knife.
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #17 - September 09, 2009, 08:54 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on September 09, 2009, 08:02 PM
    I dont think guns are a cause of Switzerlands low crime rate


    Although I agree with the sentiment of Tommy's OP, I'm actually going to agree with you here.

    But the case of Switzerland does raise an interesting point-- that there is not always a direct correlation between the legal availability of guns to citizens and violent crime. Switzerland has more guns per citizen than the US, the vast majority being SIG 550s, which are capable of full-auto fire (compare that with the US where you cannot own an automatic weapon manufactured or imported after 1986, and you must possess a Class III Federal Firearms License to own them), and yet has low violent crime rates. Canada and Finland also have high gun ownership rates and relatively low violent crime rates.

    In the reverse-- Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia all have very strict gun control, and yet have violent crime rates (including a high occurrence of gun violence) that make the US look like...well...Switzerland by comparison.

    Guns do make killing easier, and killing multiple people easier, this cannot be denied. But the above examples amply demonstrate that there are much more important variables involved in homicide rates than the legal availability of firearms.

    Quote
    Gun culture throughout society in particular amongst fearless, crazy macho yobs is what I fear most.


    I don't blame you. There's a big problem with that here. I first started shooting when I was in my early teens. When I was 19 years old, about a year after my first arrest, I was smart enough to realize I was a "fearless, crazy macho yob" myself (though I wouldn't use the term yob of course), so I separated myself from firearms altogether as I knew they could get me into trouble, but I did continue to carry a knife for a minimal level of self-defense. When I turned 27 or so I decided I was responsible enough to own guns again.

    So I do realize it is a problem. Believe me, I live in a city of 1.5 million that averages 300-400 murders a year, most of them by gunfire, most of it over really stupid shit. In my neighborhood alone over the last year we've had about 6 murders by gunfire and one suicide by cop involving a drunk, drugged-up gunman (and those are just the ones I'm aware of, could be more). But as long as those who wish to do the innocent harm own firearms, you're not gonna get me to give up mine and my best means of defending myself. No fuckin sale. Besides, they're wicked fun to shoot and they look really, really kewl.

    fuck you
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #18 - September 09, 2009, 08:55 PM
    We are not allowed to load it. We have to keep the Rifle and the munition seperatly. Those are the rules. And as we are swiss, we stick to the rules... helps alot  Afro

    And well... When it rains, would you rather use an Umbrella or wouldnt because you fear your stuck by a lightning?

    I honestly never heard of a break in with murder involved in my lifetime. Sure, its possible, but its just so unlikly that you can life your life without worrying about it all the time. Its actually more likely to get stuck by a car. If i would worry about every possibility of how i could day every day i wouldnt leave my bed... and getting shot in my own house is really the least possible of all.
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    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #19 - September 09, 2009, 09:00 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on September 09, 2009, 08:50 PM
    And I would keep my gun loaded at all times--with the safety on of course. It takes much less time to click safety on or off than grab a knife.


    Well, not all guns have an external safety (Glocks for example), and, unless you have to get the gun out of a safe or unlock a gun lock, it really doesn't take all that much time to put in a mag and rack the slide or the charging handle. To me it only makes sense to have a round chambered if you are carrying. My guns at home, however, have full mags in them but are not "loaded" in the sense that there are no rounds in the chamber, with the exception of my revolver, of course (but you can even do the same thing with a revolver if you leave an empty chamber-- however my revolver, which is my primary defense handgun, only holds 5 rounds and I'm not that great with speedloading a wheelgun, so I prefer not to leave an empty chamber).
    fuck you
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #20 - September 09, 2009, 09:05 PM
    Quote from: DigDeep on September 09, 2009, 06:54 PM
    Jup, im Swiss, and only 4 feet away from me, in my closet i have an M16.


    Wait, I thought you guys used SIG SG 550s? Sounds like you got ripped the fuck off-- M16s suck. The SG 550 is a much better service rifle. I don't know why our military has stuck with such an inferior design as the AR-15 for so damn long.
    fuck you
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #21 - September 09, 2009, 09:13 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on September 09, 2009, 06:31 PM
    I was forwarded this article today, and I couldn't agree more.

    -----Original Message-----

    From: Parker Ray Blevins, Ph.D.

    Subject: The world history of gun control politics



    Funny this sort of coincides with what I'm working on these days, albeit in a more general way (statistics and crime).

    I am wary of emails like this.  The author, who could or could not be Parker Ray Blevins, Ph.D. is throwing a bunch of facts at the reader and claiming they are related when there is no way, from this email, to assess if they are or not.  Australia's crime rate rises slightly in the year after gun control measures are enacted. But what are the other variables at work are there that aren't looked at?  We need context for these numbers being thrown at us.  It may have nothing at all to do with gun control laws.  Two things happened at two points in history, but the fact that one came later does not prove causation.  

    Example, here is snopes on the claim about Australia's crime rate: http://snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

    I am also pro-second amendment, and I especially think more women should exercise this right.
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #22 - September 09, 2009, 09:16 PM
    Without being a cultural imperialist Colombia, Mexico and Brazil are all banana republics. The governments are instable and weak and highly corrupt/susceptable to corruption.

    Thus having strict gun control in those countries is like singing over traffic-no one is going to listen

    Here are some figures:

    Colombia Mexico and Brazil all rank between 70-80 on the corruption perception index.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_index

    Which is pretty low down the list (it's done out of all of the world's nations) and classified as: "worrying".

    The UK and the US are 16 and 18 respectively, which aren't the highest figures for developed nations, but are still average.

    A law in the UK or US is more likely to be serious and enforced properly than one in Colombia, Mexico or Brazil and thus the situation isn't even slightly comparable.

    Also, I like how all of the gun folk here were praising Switzerland for it's lack of gun control.....until they found out that it's built on an old fashioned illogical system whereby it cannot be used in any situation other than when the germans come-a-knocking.

    Kind of knocks the wind out of your argument.

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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #23 - September 09, 2009, 09:19 PM
    Quote
    Wait, I thought you guys used SIG SG 550s? Sounds like you got ripped the fuck off-- M16s suck. The SG 550 is a much better service rifle. I don't know why our military has stuck with such an inferior design as the AR-15 for so damn long.


    Im not in the Infantry. Im a Tankdriver. The Infantry gets the good guns. All motorised units get the outdated stuff... but hay, at least i have my Leopard 2, right?! dance
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #24 - September 09, 2009, 09:22 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on September 09, 2009, 09:16 PM

    Also, I like how all of the gun folk here were praising Switzerland for it's lack of gun control.....until they found out that it's built on an old fashioned illogical system whereby it cannot be used in any situation other than when the germans come-a-knocking.

    Kind of knocks the wind out of your argument.



    No, I still admire Switzerland for their lack of gun control. However, the reason why it's not completely allowed in Switzerland is because of their way of life. As DD said, they society is different. In the U.S, it's a different story.
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #25 - September 09, 2009, 09:29 PM
    Fair enough

    Still means though that the situation in Switzerland has no bearing on proguncontrol versus anti considering that debate is restricted to America. This thread has turned into UK and USA though. The situations here are very different also. The natures of crimes, governments, society and economics also are factors to consider. I don't know much about American gun culture, I don't know how many homicides are caused by guns and it's not my place to say anything (even if I was before) about guns in your country

    All I know is that I (and most of my countrymen) want them to stay the hellaway from our country. It scares us enough that airport and counterterrorism police have guns in the first place, we don't want anyone else owning them.

    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #26 - September 09, 2009, 09:51 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on September 09, 2009, 09:16 PM
    Without being a cultural imperialist Colombia, Mexico and Brazil are all banana republics. The governments are instable and weak and highly corrupt/susceptable to corruption.

    Thus having strict gun control in those countries is like singing over traffic-no one is going to listen

    Here are some figures:

    Colombia Mexico and Brazil all rank between 70-80 on the corruption perception index.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_index

    Which is pretty low down the list (it's done out of all of the world's nations) and classified as: "worrying".

    The UK and the US are 16 and 18 respectively, which aren't the highest figures for developed nations, but are still average.

    A law in the UK or US is more likely to be serious and enforced properly than one in Colombia, Mexico or Brazil and thus the situation isn't even slightly comparable.


    Okay, well this is all well and good, but as far as the US is concerned there are still some big issues to address:

    1) Considering the number of guns already in circulation, how would one implement effective Federal-level gun control that significantly reduces white to black market availability without extremely authoritarian and draconian measures that would compromise other civil liberties, and without making millions more Americans into criminals in a country that already has the world's highest total and per-capita incarceration rate?

    2) Even if you figure out #1, it would take many years to make a significant dent in the black market availability of guns here by restricting legal sales. In the meantime, the rest of us who are law-abiding citizens are supposed to be left defenseless from those who are carrying illegally? I live in a high-crime area-- do I not have the right to take reasonable precautions to defend myself from violent assault? It's not like I can carry a cop around with me. In the long run, a ban on guns may improve society, but in the short run it will make a criminal out of anyone who chooses to exercise their right to defend themselves from people who will never go through a PICS check to purchase their Glock and won't bother filling out the paperwork for an LTCF to carry it around.

    Sacrificing the right to defend myself for a far from certain long-term plan to make society safer is a non-starter in my book, and, in fact, any law which violates fundamental rights for the "common good" is bullshit in my opinion and I would no sooner ditch my 2nd Amendment rights for a safer society than I would ditch my 4th Amendment rights (against unreasonable searches and seizures) for a safer society. Unfortunately, not everyone thinks like me, and a lot of people who have the opposite view happen to be in positions of political and judicial power and are busy shredding the entire Bill of Rights in the name of "public safety"

    Finally, forget about Colombia vs. UK. How about Vermont vs. Maryland? Care to check the per capita violent crime stats on those two and compare the gun laws? After all, gun laws vary widely withing the US. I take my guns across the river into Camden, NJ and I've just committed a felony, even though they are perfectly legal on this side of the river in PA. But statistically speaking, I'm in a lot more danger in Camden than in Philly. Again, there are other, more important variables involved in murder rates than the legal availability of guns.
    fuck you
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #27 - September 09, 2009, 09:58 PM
    Quote from: DigDeep on September 09, 2009, 09:19 PM
    Im not in the Infantry. Im a Tankdriver.


    Gotcha. So I'm supposing you've actually got an M4 (carbine version of the M-16) with a telescoping stock.

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    The Infantry gets the good guns. All motorised units get the outdated stuff...


    You'd think 19 years would be enough for you to get the good toys. Smiley

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    but hay, at least i have my Leopard 2, right?! dance


    Yeah, but you don't get to park it in your driveway!  grin12 Or do you? Because if you do, I'm definitely moving to Switzerland then. I can just imagine in it right now, rolling up to the local supermarket in a tank to pick up groceries.
    fuck you
  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #28 - September 09, 2009, 10:15 PM
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    I can just imagine in it right now, rolling up to the local supermarket in a tank to pick up groceries.

    you can buy them from here

    http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/Tanks_Trucks_Jeeps_for_sale.htm
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  • Re: Fuck Gun Control
     Reply #29 - September 10, 2009, 07:49 AM
    DigDeep: I have so much respect for you after reading this thread.  Afro

    Especially after reading this:
    Quote from: DigDeep on September 09, 2009, 06:54 PM
    A Soldier only kills in War, and his weapon rests in times of peace! The End!

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