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  • The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     OP - October 28, 2009, 03:36 PM
    Look what I found:

    http://atheistmovies.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-origin-of-species-charles-darwin.html

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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #1 - October 28, 2009, 03:48 PM
    brilliant thanks- has anyone seen watched this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyUz2XLp1E&videos=_ALra_1zmcU&playnext_from=TL&playnext=1
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #2 - October 28, 2009, 03:48 PM
    Yep, I have this on audio. It's brilliant. Be sure to read the book as well.
  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #3 - October 28, 2009, 03:49 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 28, 2009, 03:48 PM
    brilliant thanks- has anyone seen heard this?

    http://atheistmovies.blogspot.com/2009/01/four-horsemen.html


    Yep seen this as well! It was good, not long enough though.
  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #4 - October 28, 2009, 07:40 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 28, 2009, 03:48 PM
    brilliant thanks- has anyone seen watched this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyUz2XLp1E&videos=_ALra_1zmcU&playnext_from=TL&playnext=1


    Here it is in HD 2 parts:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DKhc1pcDFM&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaeJf-Yia3A&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=CFE979715AE46A0E
    ...
  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #5 - October 29, 2009, 10:05 AM
     001_wub my Atheist Dreamteam
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #6 - October 29, 2009, 11:40 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 29, 2009, 10:05 AM
    001_wub my Atheist Dreamteam


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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #7 - October 29, 2009, 12:19 PM
    If I had any, I would -  I would happily be penetrated by all four of them  Cheesy
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #8 - October 29, 2009, 12:20 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 29, 2009, 12:19 PM
    If I had any, I would -  I would happily be penetrated by all four of them  Cheesy


    *kaiwai looks at IsLame with sheepish eyes* really now  dance
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #9 - November 15, 2009, 04:14 AM
    During the second part of this debate, Hitchens raises an interest point about the single point in Judaic History that was responsible for the birth of Islam.  Its between 53:53 & 54.30. (after this he oes on to make tha point that the present day conflict with Islam will ultimately end in the destruction of civilisation with the final onset of a nuclear war  mysmilie_977)

    Did anyone know about this point in History?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaeJf-Yia3A&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=CFE979715AE46A0E
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #10 - November 15, 2009, 04:44 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 15, 2009, 04:14 AM
    During the second part of this debate, Hitchens raises an interest point about the single point in Judaic History that was responsible for the birth of Islam.  Its between 53:53 & 54.30. (after this he oes on to make tha point that the present day conflict with Islam will ultimately end in the destruction of civilisation with the final onset of a nuclear war  mysmilie_977)

    Did anyone know about this point in History?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaeJf-Yia3A&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=CFE979715AE46A0E


    He is referring to Isaac and Ishmael with Islam being born of from Ishmael and Judaism being from the Isaac side of the family. Abdul Hakim Murad did a video on it.
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #11 - November 15, 2009, 10:02 AM
    do you have a link?
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #12 - November 15, 2009, 11:03 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 15, 2009, 10:02 AM
    do you have a link?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx9bS3YSJmg

    There are 8 parts, so you'll need to jump onto the persons channel and play the others.
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #13 - November 15, 2009, 11:08 AM
    thanks, but I cant listen to 80mins of his ramblings, I'd rather stick a firecracker up my backside - will try and source it elsewhere.
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #14 - November 15, 2009, 11:14 AM
     Cheesy So you're not keen on the dude then?  parrot
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #15 - November 15, 2009, 11:31 AM
    He is one of the most annoying characters - he tries to come across as an intellectual so you take him seriously.  And then in the middle of a sentence he uses disengenuous tactics with his logic, and the rest of his argument falls apart.  Sadly upon reaching his conclusions, the rest of his nodding dogs in the audience are left wowing his skills.

    Why cant they just call it faith, and leave it at that, and I will be left having no problem with it.
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #16 - November 15, 2009, 11:43 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 15, 2009, 11:31 AM
    He is one of the most annoying characters - he tries to come across as an intellectual so you take him seriously.  And then in the middle of a sentence he uses disengenuous tactics with his logic, and the rest of his argument falls apart.  Sadly upon reaching his conclusions, the rest of his nodding dogs in the audience are left wowing his skills.

    Why cant they just call it faith, and leave it at that, and I will be left having no problem with it.


    I wouldn't be that harsh though; the problem I find is that he is attempting to say something without offending someone in the process. He needs to grow a pair and realise that you're better off just coming out and saying it as it is rather than mincing words, confusing the crap out of people and sending a message that isn't remotely clear and articulate.

    I find that with a lot of reform/moderate Muslims that they try to tip toe around the issue in a hope they can ignite change when they should realise that those who are offended are going to be offended no matter what you say. They have their perception of reality and by hell or high water, what you say unless reaffirming that, isn't going to change the situation.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #17 - November 15, 2009, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: kaiwai on November 15, 2009, 04:44 AM
    He is referring to Isaac and Ishmael with Islam being born of from Ishmael and Judaism being from the Isaac side of the family.

    I dont see how thats works  Huh?

    He was saying that Islam should not be necessarily be treated differently from other religions, because the danger is what lies with even what a harmless version of religion can breed.  Its effects may seem dormant, they are still latent.  

    He argues Islam was born out of a singular event in history, the backlash on secular hedonistic Jews and Hannakah.

    I've done a little rooting around, I think this is where he is coming from..

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    Enter Hanukkah. Created, Hitchens argues, as a way to pit the secular populism of the Maccabees (good) against the imperialistic and decadent tendencies of Hellenism (bad), Hanukkah was designed to stop the slide into secular hedonism. It's Hanukkah as propaganda, selling straying Jews on the miracle of the burning lamp before they stopped believing entirely. From there, Mr. Hitchens writes, all competing visions of hell broke loose:

    "The Hasmonean regime that resulted from the Maccabean revolt soon became exorbitantly corrupt, vicious, and divided, and encouraged the Roman annexation of Judea.

    Had it not been for this no-less imperial event, we would never have had to hear of Jesus of Nazareth or his sect-which was a plagiarism from fundamentalist Judaism-and the Jewish people would never have been accused of being deicidal 'Christ killers'

    "Thus, to celebrate Hanukkah is to celebrate not just the triumph of tribal Jewish backwardness but also the accidental birth of Judaism's bastard child in the shape of Christianity. You might think that masochism could do no more. Except that it always can.

    Without the precedents of Orthodox Judaism and Roman Christianity, on which it is based and from which it is borrowed, there would be no Islam, either".

    http://www.jewcy.com/tags/christopher_hitchens

     

    So there you have it folks.  Islam was born out of Hannakah  mysmilie_977
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  • Re: The Origin of Species - Read by Richard Dawkins
     Reply #18 - November 15, 2009, 12:29 PM
    This was the last "shaykh" I went to see in the hope of trying to salvage was was left of my faith. I remember initially sending him an email, to which he replied. Unfortunately I don't have the email he sent back to me as it was three years ago. I'd always thought that because he was a theologian at Cambridge, he would be familiar with all the doubts that people would have. His answers were just a well rehearsed prose which he would have given to his students. I think after seeing him, I just thought fuck it. If this is the best that they have to offer then I'm not impressed. The make it sound as though Muhammad and the Sahabah were sophisticated philosophers, when they were very far from it. Those unfortunate philosophers and their efforts were simply abandoned and they were mainly Persian and Andalusian. The other thing was that his answers just seemed like an admission of seething hatred for the enlightenment, I gathered that when he said that it was a sign of decadence. His other statement was really the admission that "faith" couldn't be framed in an objective mould. It was simply a leap, so to speak. He said faith would cease to be faith if say it said in the Quran that "Tony Blair would become the prime minister in 1997". This would invalidate faith. God has just given enough for us to accept or reject it.
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