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 Topic: Famous Murtads

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  • Famous Murtads
     OP - November 19, 2009, 09:25 PM

    After reading the thread "Famous Muslim turned Infamous Murtad", I was just thinking how great it would be if someone like Zakir Naik turned around and said that he doesn't believe in Islam.

    Has there ever been anything like that; a scholar with a massive amount of gravitas in the Muslim community leaving Islam?

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #1 - November 19, 2009, 09:30 PM

    After reading the thread "Famous Muslim turned Infamous Murtad", I was just thinking how great it would be if someone like Zakir Naik turned around and said that he doesn't believe in Islam.

    Has there ever been anything like that; a scholar with a massive amount of gravitas in the Muslim community leaving Islam?


    If Zakir Naik became an ex-Muslim I'd become a Muslim again Wink (It would be a bit like being in a cool club only for Cleetus to join.)

  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #2 - November 19, 2009, 09:33 PM

    I wouldn't be surprised if he secretly is not that much of a believer.  I bet he pities his audiences as well..

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #3 - November 19, 2009, 09:41 PM

    I would love it if Cletus joined CEMB! Seems like a thoroughly nice chap!

    Anyway, my very religious cousin who is very knowledgable about Islam said something the other day which really surprised me; "that Zakir Naik is a bit of a prat really"!!!! I never thought I would hear a Muslim say that!


    Anyway, have there ever been any prominent scholars who left Islam?

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #4 - November 19, 2009, 10:39 PM

    "that Zakir Naik is a bit of a prat really"!!!!

    what made him say that

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  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #5 - November 19, 2009, 10:44 PM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Al-Qasemi

    This guy. He was a famous Wahhabi(the worst form of Islam in terms of strictness) and became an Atheist.

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #6 - November 19, 2009, 10:48 PM

    I'm not sure if there has been anyone well known leaving Islam. I only know of one and that is Turan Dursun.

    http://www.turandursun.net/
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #7 - November 19, 2009, 10:51 PM

    there's this guy too

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  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #8 - November 19, 2009, 10:52 PM

    I'd say that Hassan is quite high profile.  Former teacher at Islamia school and all that...  Afro

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  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #9 - November 19, 2009, 10:53 PM

    You just beat me to it Islame!

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  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #10 - November 19, 2009, 10:58 PM

    I just googled Hassan Radwan and the first thing that came up were some Islamic childrens books that Hassan helped narrate.

    It would be interesting to hear the story on this Hassan if you care to share it.. and if you mind you name still being associated with them

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  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #11 - November 19, 2009, 10:58 PM

    I posted this on the other thread - but its is better placed here...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLiMlQzTHlQ

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  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #12 - November 19, 2009, 11:02 PM

    I just googled Hassan Radwan and the first thing that came up were some Islamic childrens books that Hassan helped narrate.

    It would be interesting to hear the story on this Hassan if you care to share it.. and if you mind you name still being associated with them


    Help narrate? I wrote them! lol

    There's the two children's stories: "Rashid & the Missing Body" and "Rashid & the Haupmann Diamond" they are sort of Islamic Famous Five type fiction stories for 9-12 year-olds.

    Then there are the two books of "Islamic Plays" that were plays I put on every year with the children at Islamia School at the end of the year. Most are adapted stories from 1001 Nights or Joha/Mullah Nasrudin or original plays by me.

    Smiley
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #13 - November 19, 2009, 11:03 PM

    I didn't know about Hassan till I apostated. I think when you talk about high profile our perceptions are different. When I think of high profile, the names Hamza Yusuf, Abdal Hakim Muram, Muhammad Al-Yaqoobi, Nuh Keller, Tariq Ramadhan and Bilaal Philips come to mind. I think most muslims would agree that these names are high profile, and the apostasy by any of these guy's would demand some serious explaining by their audience.
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #14 - November 19, 2009, 11:06 PM

    and if you mind you name still being associated with them


    I don't mind at all - there's nothing in them that I would be ashamed of.

    I suspect a few Muslim bookshops have taken them off the shelves after discovering I've left Islam though.
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #15 - November 19, 2009, 11:08 PM

    I think when you talk about high profile our perceptions are different. When I think of high profile, the names Hamza Yusuf, Abdal Hakim Muram, Muhammad Al-Yaqoobi, Nuh Keller, Tariq Ramadhan and Bilaal Philips come to mind.


    Quite!
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #16 - November 19, 2009, 11:14 PM

    Quite!


    eh?
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #17 - November 19, 2009, 11:16 PM

    what made him say that


    From what he was saying, it sounded like his main issue was that he is not a real scholar in the traditional sense, just a populist TV scholar.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #18 - November 19, 2009, 11:16 PM

    I didn't know about Hassan till I apostated. I think when you talk about high profile our perceptions are different. When I think of high profile, the names Hamza Yusuf, Abdal Hakim Muram, Muhammad Al-Yaqoobi, Nuh Keller, Tariq Ramadhan and Bilaal Philips come to mind. I think most muslims would agree that these names are high profile, and the apostasy by any of these guy's would demand some serious explaining by their audience.

    But any of these people in the public eye would be stupid to publically admit they had apostated.  It must have happened with some, they probably just choose to fade out of the public eye instead

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  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #19 - November 19, 2009, 11:19 PM

    This Turkish/German apostate may not be famous, but she is very brave (and very beautiful! Smiley)...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvgBvUUt2l0

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  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #20 - November 19, 2009, 11:23 PM

    eh?


    Quite as in: yes I agree with you! (Quite right old boy! lol Smiley )
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #21 - November 19, 2009, 11:24 PM

    But any of these people in the public eye would be stupid to publically admit they had apostated.  It must have happened with some, they probably just choose to fade out of the public eye instead


    We will never know.   Huh?
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #22 - November 19, 2009, 11:32 PM

    Mark A. Gabriel



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    Gabriel's account of his life
    In his first book, Against the Tides in the Middle East: The true story of Mustafa, former teacher of Islamic history (1997) Gabriel (writing as "Mustafa") tells of his birth on 30 December, 1957 to Muslim parents in the region of upper Egypt known as Al Saeed. His parents, wealthy owners of a clothing factory, and six brothers and one sister were all devout Muslims. Early fears by relatives that Mustafa would grow up a Christian because he had been breast fed by a Christian woman resulted in him being given a thorough Islamic education.

    Mustafa grew up immersed in Islamic culture and was sent to Al Azhar school at the age of six. By the time he was twelve years old he had memorized the Qur'an completely.[1] After graduating from Al-Azhar University with a Master's degree for his thesis on The reign of the heir over the Islamic kingdom in the period of Ammaweya in 1990 he was subsequently offered a position as a lecturer at the university.[2] During his research, which involved travel to Eastern and Western countries, Mustafa had become more distant from Islam, finding its history, 'from its commencement to date, to be filled with violence and bloodshed without any worthwhile ideology or sense of decency. I asked myself "What religion would condone such destruction of human life?" Based on that, I began to see that the Muslim people and their leaders were perpetrators of violence."'[3] On hearing that Mustafa had "forsaken Islamic teachings" the authorities of Al Azhar expelled him from the University on 17 December, 1991 and asked for him to be released from the post of Imam in the mosque of Amas Ebn Malek in Giza city. The Egyptian secret police then seized Mustafa and placed him in a cell without food and water for three days, after which he was tortured and interrogated for four days before being transferred to Calipha prison in Cairo and released without charge a week later. Following these events Mustafa lost his faith and went to work as a sales director in his father's factory, but after a year of reflection on religious texts and discussions with a Christian woman, he "gave his heart to Jesus".[4]



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_A._Gabriel

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  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #23 - November 19, 2009, 11:43 PM



    You'll have to forgive me, but I am always a bit suspicious when I hear stories about someone who goes from 'Devout Muslim' to 'Muslims are all violent' in the blink of an eye. As well as being supported and backed by evangelical groups from the US. My radar just starts bleeping.

    Also from your link:

    "Gabriel's former name has not been revealed and his biography has not been independently verified...  Gabriel's website, www.markagabriel.org, was run by Bradlee Sargent, an American-born computer programmer who "saw the importance of evangelizing Muslims in 1983, when he lived in Saudi Arabia."[12] Sargent is a member of the Arabic Evangelical Church,[13] organized by Syrian-born Christian Peter Shadid,[14] which aims to guide the Muslims of Central Florida "away from the Islamic teachings of Mohammed and toward Christianity". Gabriel is listed as the owner of the new website established on 24 July, 2006.[15]
    The books published by Gabriel are promoted by Stephen Strang's Strang Communications. Strang believes that "Y'eshua is getting us ready for his return. And I believe that Y'eshua is getting us ready, all of us, the Gentile church included, for the great influx of believers. Of Jewish people whose eyes are finally opened to their need for a Messiah."[16]

  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #24 - November 19, 2009, 11:49 PM

    Barack Obama senior (the presidents dad)

    Naguib Mahfouz (Egyptian novelist who won the 1988 Nobel Prize for Literature)

    Tillakaratne Dilshan (Sri Lankan cricketer)

    George Weah (football player who was named FIFA World Player of the Year in 1995).  He converted to Islam from Christianity, but then he reverted back to Christianity

    I heard that Djibril Cisse (French football player) is an ex-Muslim too.



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  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #25 - November 19, 2009, 11:53 PM

    Anyone heard of Lounes Matoub? A singer who was an advocate of Berber and secular causes in Algeria, was assasinated in 1998.

    The lyrics for his song, "Allahu Akbar" go:

        Knock your head on the ground
        Don't be miserly in prayers
        Listen to your sidi sheik
        Allahu Akbar!
        Allah!


    Sounds like a cool, controversial guy

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #26 - November 19, 2009, 11:59 PM

    Here's a wiki list of former Muslims... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Muslims

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  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #27 - November 20, 2009, 12:20 AM

    I didn't know Wesley Snipes was an ex-muslim. 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Snipes

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #28 - November 20, 2009, 12:57 AM

    He dabbled in it for black nationalism IIRC. Ice Cube too.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Famous Murtads
     Reply #29 - November 20, 2009, 05:39 AM

    There was "Mostafa Mahmood" the well known Egyptian scientist who apostates in the mid 70s then came back to Islam because of the extensive death threats he recieved from the public and the goverment alike.

    Sadly, he passed away few weeks ago!

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