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  • Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     OP - November 25, 2009, 06:18 PM

    Hello everyone,

    My name is Farhad and I am no longer a Muslim.

    I'm 19 years old. I was born and raised in the United States, though I've spent many summers in Pakistan (the role of religion in that country since its inception is more than enough reason to reject Islam).

    Most Muslim jurists would agree I committed kufr nearly a year ago by casting doubt on the authority of the Quran and questioning the character of the Prophet Muhammad. Regardless, I still considered myself a Muslim and had hoped to reconcile my progressive secular views with the religion. However it soon became apparent that there was hardly any basis for them in either the Quran, Sunnah, or centuries of Islamic scholarship.

    I finally left Islam when I concluded it was far too flawed a belief system for me to stick with even as a progressive reformist. That, and the realization that belief in Islam is not only foolish but responsible for much of the misery and human suffering in the world today. In short, I was left wondering why is Almighty Allah's deen so imperfect when He is capable of perfection.

    Perhaps an even bigger issue was my desire to remain a part of the Muslim community and not lose my family and friends along with my faith. Alienation from those closest to me was more terrifying than anything else. I was willing to suppress my true beliefs in order to maintain their trust and support.

    After reading about the experiences of others at this forum (which I came across just last week), I finally found the confidence to tell some of my friends about my apostasy. Until that point, I had been reassuring them (and myself as well) that I was only a 'questioning' Muslim who was seeking answers for his doubts. Appreciate your help, by the way  Smiley

    What I really like about this forum is that criticism of Islam is based on reason, open-mindedness, a commitment to human rights, women's rights, and a concern for humanity above all -- and not bigotry, xenophobia, or hatred of Muslims. There's already enough hate in the world as it is, with organized religion inspiring much of it.

    Anyway, I'll be sharing a longer account of how I lost my faith sometime soon and look forward to hanging around here.

    Peace

    I am a pagan worshiper of love: the creed of Muslims I do not need

    - Amir Khusro
  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #1 - November 25, 2009, 06:27 PM

    Welome Farhad. It's great that you found us. You'll find a lot of people here who have gone through or are going through similar experiences of dealing with issue of apostasy and their families and extended families.


    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #2 - November 25, 2009, 06:28 PM

    Welcome Farhad.   Smiley

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #3 - November 25, 2009, 06:30 PM

    Welcome to the forum Farhad. I think it's a good thing that you managed to break the shackles at this age rather than trying to cling on and giving Islam the benefit of the doubt.
  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #4 - November 25, 2009, 06:33 PM

    Wow, great first post!

    A lot of shared experiences with you there. I had also gone through a transitional "progressive muslim" period before I embraced pure reason and science. Please do share a detailed account of your story and also the impact among your social circle and family.

    Good to see young guys like you realizing the crock that is religion and embracing reason. A lot of ex-muslims left the faith (like Hassan) lot later in life and its better to have to do this at a younger age before you waste your precious time praying and believing nonsense.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #5 - November 25, 2009, 06:37 PM

    Greetings and salutations, Farhad!

     Greetings

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  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #6 - November 25, 2009, 06:44 PM

    Welcome, Farhad Smiley
  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #7 - November 25, 2009, 07:20 PM

    Welcome! Smiley

    Are you agnostic or atheist now?

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  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #8 - November 25, 2009, 09:24 PM

    Welcome! Smiley

    Are you agnostic or atheist now?

    Not that I object to you asking such a question, you are free to do so, but I just realised they are pretty much the same thing. Agnostic is just another way of saying atheist without the initial negative impression believers will allegedly make when they hear 'atheist'...... IMO.

    Also welcome to the forums Farhad, a lot of people joining recently. I guess this forum is growing  dance

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #9 - November 25, 2009, 09:27 PM

    Not that I object to you asking such a question, you are free to do so, but I just realised they are pretty much the same thing. Agnostic is just another way of saying atheist without the initial negative impression believers will allegedly make when they hear 'atheist'...... IMO.



    Hmm.... not really. Being agnostic implies you do not know if the divine exists or not whereas an atheist rejects the idea of theism.


    Btw, welcome to the forum, Farhad!  dance

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  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #10 - November 25, 2009, 09:34 PM

    Glad you found us Farhad - was it by a random search on the internet or were you recommended by a friend?  Also let us know what were the key points in renouncing your faith which I am sure was a critical part of your upbringing, as it was mine.

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  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #11 - November 25, 2009, 10:26 PM

    Thank you all for the warm welcome. I'm excited to have a place where I can just be myself.

     thnkyu

    I think it's a good thing that you managed to break the shackles at this age rather than trying to cling on and giving Islam the benefit of the doubt.


    Good to see young guys like you realizing the crock that is religion and embracing reason. A lot of ex-muslims left the faith (like Hassan) lot later in life and its better to have to do this at a younger age before you waste your precious time praying and believing nonsense.


    Appreciate the support, guys. I'm also glad that I'm taking this step while still young. My mom's already begun to float around the idea of an arranged marriage in a few years, and the last thing I want is to ruin a young Muslimah's life by trapping her in a marriage with someone who doesn't share her faith. I can't even imagine apostasizing while raising Muslim children and the confusion it would cause.

    Yet I have to tread carefully with all this too, in light of the fact that I'm still financially dependent on my parents. Both parents have taken notice of how significantly less observant I've become. Whenever I make sacrilegious comments in front of my mom, she takes it all in jest despite disagreeing with me.

    My dad, however, is one of those short-tempered Punjabi fathers who in a fit of rage might kick me out of the house. In the past he has threatened to cut off college tuition when I criticized his parenting skills, so I really don't want to test him on this.

    Welcome, Farhad Smiley


    Hassan, months ago during the early part of my 'progressive reformist' phase, I did come across your blog and read your story in its entirety. It was too early in my journey away from Islam at that point and I was still overcome by the "I can REFORM Islam for the better!" bug. Ultimately I reached many of the same conclusions you did.

    Are you agnostic or atheist now?


    Still figuring that out, bro. I do know that I no longer have belief in the Abrahamic God of Islam (the compassionate and just god who will torture sinners for eternity in the fires of hell), nor do I have belief in any sort of personal god that interferes in temporal matters.

    Hmm... would that constitute atheism? Or does that still leave room for deism?

    More than anything else, I consider myself a humanist. A God-based system of morality is something I wholeheartedly reject. I believe that philosophy, reason, human experience, and just everyday life lessons are all that we need in order to live ethical lives. They offer more complex and nuanced worldviews than the oversimplistic notion of good vs. evil that religion advocates.

    Glad you found us Farhad - was it by a random search on the internet or were you recommended by a friend?


    Well, I'm on a listserv for Muslim college students and someone recently sent out a link discussing the speed of light and Quran (don't remember the specifics). Someone else commented how all of the scientific truths in the Quran should remove all doubt for those who are uncertain.

    Anyway, so I just did a random google search for "scientific miracles quran debunked" and a CEMB thread pertaining to just that was the first result on the page  dance

    Please do share a detailed account of your story and also the impact among your social circle and family.


    Also let us know what were the key points in renouncing your faith which I am sure was a critical part of your upbringing, as it was mine.


    I will make sure to do that. It's the least I can offer to all of you for being so open about your experiences.

    I am a pagan worshiper of love: the creed of Muslims I do not need

    - Amir Khusro
  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #12 - November 25, 2009, 10:38 PM

    I would highly recommend not antagonizing your parents by being open about your new worldview. Like you mention, you are financially dependent on them and sometimes self-interest must come first before honesty. If that means minimal practice do it. Focus on your studies and becoming independent. I am independent now having moved out only 2 years ago and am free to express my views without the fear of threats or blackmail. You don't want to ruin your material life because of philosophical beliefs.

    So bottom line is be pragmatic.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #13 - November 25, 2009, 10:45 PM

    Anyway, so I just did a random google search for "scientific miracles quran debunked" and a CEMB thread pertaining to just that was the first result on the page

    Found it http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=42a4f5a2801401a317cf56803f120600&topic=4537.16 - looks like aliadiere started that thread

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  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #14 - November 25, 2009, 11:05 PM

    Welcome Farhad. Enjoy your stay. Smiley

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #15 - November 25, 2009, 11:07 PM

    Hi, Farhad, Welcome  Smiley

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  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #16 - November 25, 2009, 11:36 PM

    Welcome fellow ex-Muslim!  Afro

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  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #17 - November 26, 2009, 12:40 AM

    Looks like there are a lot of ex-muslims. It's like we're a growing community of unbelievers. Maybe we should build a new building where we all can get together and meet up on lets say.. fridays? Afternoon perhaps? Lets not have any chairs either, since that would cost money, carpeting will do. We can have Hassan give speeches about how Lord Darwin has cursed the Children of Muhammad and turned them into primates and mammals. And maybe there could be a rule for all ex-muslims, if they return to Islam, we chop of their... pinky finger. Sounds fair. How about it?

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #18 - November 26, 2009, 12:57 AM

    Looks like there are a lot of ex-muslims. It's like we're a growing community of unbelievers. Maybe we should build a new building where we all can get together and meet up on lets say.. fridays? Afternoon perhaps? Lets not have any chairs either, since that would cost money, carpeting will do. We can have Hassan give speeches about how Lord Darwin has cursed the Children of Muhammad and turned them into primates and mammals. And maybe there could be a rule for all ex-muslims, if they return to Islam, we chop of their... pinky finger. Sounds fair. How about it?

     Cheesy

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #19 - November 26, 2009, 01:38 AM

    Welcome to the council, and to kafirdom! It's a pleasure to have you. Life really is better on the dark side. Wink

    "But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron." [Qur'an (22:19-21)]
  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #20 - November 26, 2009, 01:39 AM

    Looks like there are a lot of ex-muslims. It's like we're a growing community of unbelievers. Maybe we should build a new building where we all can get together and meet up on lets say.. fridays? Afternoon perhaps? Lets not have any chairs either, since that would cost money, carpeting will do. We can have Hassan give speeches about how Lord Darwin has cursed the Children of Muhammad and turned them into primates and mammals. And maybe there could be a rule for all ex-muslims, if they return to Islam, we chop of their... pinky finger. Sounds fair. How about it?


    That sounds brilliant, sign me up!

    "But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron." [Qur'an (22:19-21)]
  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #21 - November 26, 2009, 02:18 AM

    And people who were non-muslim and decided to convert to Islam will get 2 lashes for being silly.  dance

    It is written!

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #22 - November 26, 2009, 09:10 PM

    Looks like there are a lot of ex-muslims. It's like we're a growing community of unbelievers. Maybe we should build a new building where we all can get together and meet up on lets say.. fridays? Afternoon perhaps? Lets not have any chairs either, since that would cost money, carpeting will do. We can have Hassan give speeches about how Lord Darwin has cursed the Children of Muhammad and turned them into primates and mammals. And maybe there could be a rule for all ex-muslims, if they return to Islam, we chop of their... pinky finger. Sounds fair. How about it?


    LOL...

    I have no doubt that we are only the tip of a massive iceberg.

    It would just be nice if ppl will remember we were the first who stuck our neck out - and will appreciate us for it lol  grin12
  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #23 - November 26, 2009, 09:14 PM

    Welcome, nice first post!

    Looks like there are a lot of ex-muslims. It's like we're a growing community of unbelievers. Maybe we should build a new building where we all can get together and meet up on lets say.. fridays? Afternoon perhaps? Lets not have any chairs either, since that would cost money, carpeting will do. We can have Hassan give speeches about how Lord Darwin has cursed the Children of Muhammad and turned them into primates and mammals. And maybe there could be a rule for all ex-muslims, if they return to Islam, we chop of their... pinky finger. Sounds fair. How about it?


     Cheesy

  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #24 - November 26, 2009, 10:08 PM

    Welcome to the council, and to kafirdom! It's a pleasure to have you. Life really is better on the dark side. Wink


    Since when has it ever been the dark side?  I tend to think of it as the natural side...

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Greetings from a new ex-Muslim
     Reply #25 - November 26, 2009, 10:12 PM

    Natural side is often the dark side to religious folks.

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