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 Topic: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?

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  • RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     OP - November 29, 2009, 05:15 AM

    So,I went to see a couple of my friends perform in an orchestra tonight. The performance itself was phenomenal, at times spiritual and meditative even. I couldn't help thinking how such talent and beauty is readily dismissed by Islamic teachings as a tool of the devil. I seriously regret not learning to play a musical instrument earlier on in life since I believed for a very long time it was forbidden. But WHY?Huh? finmad
  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #1 - November 29, 2009, 06:22 AM

    Music and Singing: A Detailed Fatwa (SunniPath)

    According to the above fatwa, Islam forbids music for the following reasons:

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    Music is a direct ploy of the Non-Muslims. One of the main causes for the decline of the Muslims is their involvement in useless entertainment. Today we see that Muslims are involved, and at the forefront perhaps, of many immoralities and evils. The spiritual power which once was the trait of a Muslim is nowhere to be seen. One of the main reasons for this is music and useless entertainment.


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    In conclusion, music and the instruments used for singing are a cause for arousing the sexual desire of an individual. It could lead a person to adultery and fornication. Therefore, Islam takes the preventive measure rather than suffer the consequences. This is also one of the principles of Islamic Jurisprudence, namely 'blocking the means' (sadd al-dhara'i). This is based on the idea of preventing an evil before it actually materializes, and is taken from the heart of the guidance of the Qur?an and Sunnah that, "Preventing harm is given precedence even to achieving possible benefits."


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    One of the harms of music is that it distracts one from his Creator. It serves as a temporary means of pleasure and satisfaction, which makes one forget who he really is and why he was created. This is the reason why musical instruments are known in the Arabic language as 'malaahi' meaning instruments that prevent one from the remembrance of Allah Almighty.


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    Another harm of music is that it instills the ideologies of the Non-Muslims in the heart and mind. The messages of today's music follow a general theme of love, fornication, drugs and freedom.

    We find that the whole world is obsessed with the Kufr idea of unrestrained freedom, i.e. freedom of speech and movement, etc... This idea of freedom, "it's my life, I'll do what I want" is a predominant theme of music today. It is used as a means of drilling western ideologies into the hearts and minds, which are totally contrary to Islamic values and teachings.


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    Musical instruments that are exclusively designed for entertainment and dancing, and create charm, pleasure and bliss on their own (even without the singing), such as the drum, violin, guitar, fiddle, flute, lute, mandolin, harmonium, piano, string, etc... are impermissible to use under any circumstance.

    There is a consensus of the whole Ummah on this. Since the first century, the Companions (sahaba), their followers (tabi'een), jurists (fuqaha) and the scholars have been generally unanimous on this ruling.


    The author of the fatwa goes onto cite and analyze several references from the Quran and Sunnah. He also quotes extensively from the works of many renowned scholars and jurists.

    I am a pagan worshiper of love: the creed of Muslims I do not need

    - Amir Khusro
  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #2 - November 29, 2009, 06:38 AM

    Music, like alcohol, can loosen you up and and free your spirit. Music is at it's core very much contradictory to religious authority. Musicians are always ecclectic and free-spirited people. Additionally a single musician can have a huge impact and change the very cultural fabric of an entire generation. Look at Elvis and his dangerously sexy hips. Seems blah to us, but back then all the religious preachers condemned his sexuality and he was a spearhead of the sexual revolution back then.

    The basic spirit of music, especially independent non-denominational music, is contradictory to religion and most definitely contradictory to Islam. Wherein Islam seeks to control and conform the individual, music seeks to free and inspire. Music also can inspire and invoke feelings like wonder. These are feelings that Islam seeks to control and use for it's own purposes.

    Thats just my 2c and how I see it.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #3 - November 29, 2009, 02:02 PM

    Music is of the highest expression of human beauty. That is why some strict schools of Islam considers it to be evil. Because they hate beauty, and they hate humanity.




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  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #4 - November 29, 2009, 02:09 PM

    Reminds you of 1984 doesn't it?  Any totalitarian belief system will hate something that deviates attention from it and that it has no control over.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #5 - November 29, 2009, 03:04 PM

    Form the Bengali culture, music is bad because:
    - it is seen as Western or Hindi
    - it is fun, enjoyment, pleasure and fun is bad. Never excite emotions that may question the faith.
    - it is best to keep people controlled with simple rules so that they can feel hate against the entity which keeps them proud and within their faith.

    Currently listening to Andy Williams - Moon River
  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #6 - November 29, 2009, 03:26 PM

    Andy williams' version of Moon River, shit man, You have answered your own question.
  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #7 - November 29, 2009, 03:35 PM

    Form the Bengali culture, music is bad because:
    - it is seen as Western or Hindi
    - it is fun, enjoyment, pleasure and fun is bad. Never excite emotions that may question the faith.
    - it is best to keep people controlled with simple rules so that they can feel hate against the entity which keeps them proud and within their faith.

    Currently listening to Andy Williams - Moon River



    Do you mean Hindu or Hindi?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #8 - November 29, 2009, 04:43 PM

    Hindi is an adjective, as in Western or Hindi culture

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  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #9 - November 29, 2009, 05:16 PM

    I thought Hindi was the language of north India. So I was asking if HighOctane meant Bangladeshi mullah-types viewed music as being wrong because it was in the Hindi language, or because they conflated haraam music with Hindus and the West.




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #10 - November 29, 2009, 06:25 PM

    we use it to describes aspects of Hindu culture as well as the language - like English behaviour means something different to English language

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  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #11 - November 29, 2009, 06:50 PM

    As IsLame says. All the Hindi dancing, filming, singing, etc. And the hard body Bollywood actresses! I'm sure women agree for the Bollywood actors.
  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #12 - November 29, 2009, 07:06 PM

    Music is evil becaue Muhammad said so.

    There is no reason behind banning music, but reasoning is invented by scholars to support the banning of music.

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  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #13 - November 29, 2009, 07:11 PM

    Music is haram because Muhammad possibly did not like music.

    Marrying your adopted son's wife is ok. Because he is into those things.

    Challenge All Ideologies but don't Hate People.
  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #14 - November 29, 2009, 07:37 PM

    What the morons mullahs don't quite get, I think, is that if music were more accepted, if devotional music wasn't denounced as something of the ignorant masses, etc., I think Islam would have more appeal and more spirit.  I mean, Christianity has sure turned out some gorgeous music.  As Tim Minchin says, you like the music even though the lyrics are dodgy.  That, I think, is really the root of the sunnipath mullah's objection to it -- he says it will 'instill the ideologies of the non Muslims' into the Muslims.  I think Mo just didn't like it, but over time, since the clergy of Islam view everything as a competition with Christians, it became, to them, with their qiyas and ijmaa, the reason that music is haram. 

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  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #15 - November 29, 2009, 07:50 PM

    Music is haram because Muhammad possibly did not like music.

    Marrying your adopted son's wife is ok. Because he is into those things.

    +1

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #16 - November 29, 2009, 09:27 PM

    Form the Bengali culture, music is bad because:
    - it is seen as Western or Hindi
    - it is fun, enjoyment, pleasure and fun is bad. Never excite emotions that may question the faith.
    - it is best to keep people controlled with simple rules so that they can feel hate against the entity which keeps them proud and within their faith.

    Currently listening to Andy Williams - Moon River





    Bengali culture? I think a vast majority of Bengalis I know love music and I've frankly never hear that before. Any mullahs butting into Bengali cultural events and cussing music get laughed out of the place real fast from my experience.

    I think Bengali Muslims would quicker convert to Hinduism before discarding music.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #17 - November 29, 2009, 09:31 PM

    I took it as referring to the Bengali Salafi and sufi types.  I know more than a few Bengalis who will not even talk to people who listen to music, saying they are 'misguided' and 'on the haram'.  These are sufis, I don't really know many Bengali Salafis.

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  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #18 - November 29, 2009, 09:41 PM

    Haven't met any here. I guess there's a richer diversity of douchbag bengalis in the UK than Canada.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #19 - November 30, 2009, 12:02 AM

    we use it to describes aspects of Hindu culture as well as the language - like English behaviour means something different to English language


    But is it rooted in demonisation of Hindus in general?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #20 - November 30, 2009, 12:03 AM

    no -  similar to the term western culture, depends on the context it is used..

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  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #21 - November 30, 2009, 12:22 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT5zdsB0E00

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  • Re: RANT: What Is So Evil About Music?
     Reply #22 - November 30, 2009, 12:24 AM

    Bengali metal???  wacko dance Cheesy

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