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anyone here that is just not into spirituality?
OP - December 06, 2009, 03:59 PM

Hello fello infidels,

I am starting to feel that am just one of those people that does not feel a connection with spirituality....since i left islam i have tried studying most of these new age spiritual books, it actually started when i came across an author called Eckhart Tolle while watching Oprah, his books are mainly pepped up budhism (u know the usual live in the moment ..bla bla bla).....but i just dont feel it anymore ...it all sounds like bullshit to me...i guess my mind has just become too science focused to buy into spirituality...anyone feels the same....

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Reply #1 - December 06, 2009, 04:38 PM

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...it all sounds like bullshit to me

That's because it is bullshit. Anything you hear recommended on the Oprah Winfrey show is bull, end of. This is the woman who gives air time to vaccination denialists, she's a smartened up, westernised version of the Imams who tell people the polio vaccine will make them impotent. Ergo, she is full of shit.

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...i guess my mind has just become too science focused to buy into spirituality...anyone feels the same....

Yep. Welcome to reality.

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Reply #2 - December 06, 2009, 06:14 PM

Quote from: humblesoul on December 06, 2009, 03:59 PM
...while watching Oprah...

You watch Oprah? Be careful, I heard that watching Oprah was the first sign of a brain tumor.
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Reply #3 - December 06, 2009, 08:02 PM

Quote from: humblesoul on December 06, 2009, 03:59 PM
Hello fello infidels,

I am starting to feel that am just one of those people that does not feel a connection with spirituality....since i left islam i have tried studying most of these new age spiritual books, it actually started when i came across an author called Eckhart Tolle while watching Oprah, his books are mainly pepped up budhism (u know the usual live in the moment ..bla bla bla).....but i just dont feel it anymore ...it all sounds like bullshit to me...i guess my mind has just become too science focused to buy into spirituality...anyone feels the same....

I'm not into spirituality, although I identify myself as a Zoroastrian, which is my father's religion. I like the culture,the ethics & the values which contemporary Zoroastrianism provides, I don't believe in God & don't feel any need for anything spiritual.

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Reply #4 - December 06, 2009, 08:10 PM

Quote from: Kenan on December 06, 2009, 06:14 PM
You watch Oprah? Be careful, I heard that watching Oprah was the first sign of a brain tumor.

i dont watch it that much...my mum watches it alot so sometimes i just sit through an episode for viewing sake....
Quote from: Cheetah on December 06, 2009, 04:38 PM
That's because it is bullshit. Anything you hear recommended on the Oprah Winfrey show is bull, end of. This is the woman who gives air time to vaccination denialists, she's a smartened up, westernised version of the Imams who tell people the polio vaccine will make them impotent. Ergo, she is full of shit.

Yep. Welcome to reality.

yeah i do know Oprah can be full of bullshit at times especially when she started promoting that stupid DVD "The Secret" ...but i think i just got caught up in the whole Eckhart Tolle feel good new age message....and like i said i now think its all crap (new age movement/spirituality)

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Reply #5 - December 06, 2009, 09:44 PM

I never even felt the spiritual connection while being a Muslim. What kept me there was the scaremongering techniques of Islam.
I don't think I'll ever bother about spirituality. If I want to relax and free my mind I lie down and listen to some baroque music and it does the job.

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Reply #6 - December 06, 2009, 10:58 PM

I certainly didn't feel any spiritual connection and even whilst praying could hear myself ask if I was wasting my time.
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Reply #7 - December 07, 2009, 01:40 AM

Music makes me feel spiritual. Certain occasions like the birth of a child in my family make me feel spiritual too. Pleasent, benign, communal manifestations and rituals of non-bigoted religion can make me feel spiritual too, even though I am an observer and not a direct participant (funnily enough the ones that move me the most often involve music)

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Reply #8 - December 07, 2009, 01:42 AM

Speaking of spiritual check out this doc:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiqrzmuWbw

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Reply #9 - December 07, 2009, 02:35 AM

Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on December 06, 2009, 10:58 PM
I certainly didn't feel any spiritual connection and even whilst praying could hear myself ask if I was wasting my time.

Did you ever feel any spiritual connection while making Dua? What things in your life as a Muslim did you every experience spirituality?

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Reply #10 - December 07, 2009, 04:11 AM

Quote from: billy on December 07, 2009, 01:40 AM
Music makes me feel spiritual. Certain occasions like the birth of a child in my family make me feel spiritual too. Pleasent, benign, communal manifestations and rituals of non-bigoted religion can make me feel spiritual too, even though I am an observer and not a direct participant (funnily enough the ones that move me the most often involve music)

+1. I practice Zen Buddhism, which helps me calm down, and relax my mind. In my perspective, that's the definition of spirituality.

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Reply #11 - December 07, 2009, 05:09 AM

I got more spiritual connection from watching a carl sagan episode than the attending of several churches. On xmas and easter I also get a spiritual connection, mainly because i get to see people i like, but rarely get to meet the rest of the year.

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Reply #12 - December 07, 2009, 05:15 AM

Carl Sagan bit is true. Cosmos is epic spiritual. I gotta watch that on weed one day.

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Reply #13 - December 07, 2009, 07:33 AM

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Did you ever feel any spiritual connection while making Dua? What things in your life as a Muslim did you every experience spirituality?

I think I made one absolutely sincere dua about seven years ago, which at the time I felt was answered. It could have gone one way or the other. It was about my marriage so was a very earthly dispute. My wife had to ask a Mufti for a fatwa on something and the odds fell in our favour. I did feel at the time that my dua was answered, but maybe there were other contingencies involved?
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Reply #14 - December 07, 2009, 04:10 PM

Quote from: Baal on December 07, 2009, 05:09 AM
I got more spiritual connection from watching a carl sagan episode than the attending of several churches.

How could I forget that Carl Sagan FTMFW

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Reply #15 - December 07, 2009, 05:17 PM

Quote from: Baal on December 07, 2009, 05:09 AM
I got more spiritual connection from watching a carl sagan episode

I get an amazing feeling of wonderment & humility, I certainly would not call it anything like a 'spirtual connection'

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Reply #16 - December 07, 2009, 05:40 PM

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I get an amazing feeling of wonderment & humility

If this is spirituality then I get this listening to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven. Even certain Pop music can you give you this feeling.

Is this the spirituality that Theist after?

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Reply #17 - December 07, 2009, 06:09 PM

Quote from: Rubaiyat on December 07, 2009, 05:40 PM
If this is spirituality then I get this listening to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven. Even certain Pop music can you give you this feeling.

Is this the spirituality that Theist after?

I thought so but perhaps Jack can explain, as he has talked in the past about spirts or spiritual connections and appears to be the most defensive about them.

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Reply #18 - December 07, 2009, 06:19 PM

What is spirituality?

I think it is the stirring of feelings of awe, of a feeling of the sublime, something transcendent within you -- feelings of being connected to something larger than yourself, a temporary state of hyper-sensitivity to an emotion of universal union of some kind.

That sounds immense - but strangely enough, spiritual feelings can be gentle, small-scale emotion, as well as larger kinds of loss-of-self.

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Reply #19 - December 12, 2009, 07:22 AM

Someone is going to have to figure out what spiritual means first.
I think the Universe is cool and full of mysteries to be explored. I have emotions, at times I can be introspective and I have an imagination....
That's just being a human with a functioning brain. I dont know if that is 'spiritual' or not. I guess not, as there are no spirits involved, and I dont see any reason to bring make believe metaphysics into it or fairy tale characters.

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Reply #20 - December 12, 2009, 07:27 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHlLwd2zoWo

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Reply #21 - December 15, 2009, 05:36 PM

If you are interested in reading about "atheist spirituality" I would recommend the following book:

The book of atheist spirituality - an elegant argument for spirituality without God

Author: Andre Comte-Sponville

It is an absolutely superb book! It starts with askinf if we can do without God, and then moves on to prove that God does not exist. Finally, the case is made for atheist spirituality.
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Reply #22 - December 15, 2009, 05:57 PM

Quote from: abuk on December 15, 2009, 05:36 PM
If you are interested in reading about "atheist spirituality" I would recommend the following book:

The book of atheist spirituality - an elegant argument for spirituality without God

Author: Andre Comte-Sponville

It is an absolutely superb book! It starts with askinf if we can do without God, and then moves on to prove that God does not exist. Finally, the case is made for atheist spirituality.

Yep, own it and read it. It's great.
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