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Question: If you were to argue with yourself back in time when you were Muslim, with an unlimted amount of time, would you change your mind about Islam? (Voting closed: December 21, 2009, 09:45 PM)
Yes, TakBeer 10 (71.4%)
No, Allah hu Akbar 4 (28.6%)
Total Voters: 14

Topic: If you could go back in time

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If you could go back in time
OP - December 16, 2009, 09:45 PM

Quote from: abuk on December 16, 2009, 09:28 PM
That is a fair point IsLame. I haven't really understood Wittgenstein and his assertion that logic needs to be prefaced with language (!). At what stage does dogma become non-dogmatic?

When your brain is being used by your ears to listen & understand, and not to concoct your next argument

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Certainlly in my own past I was deaf, dumb and blind (to quote the Quranic verse) to anything that was anti-Islamic. If I could go back in time and argue with my former self, I would not have been very successful.

Interesting point - if we could do a Marty McFly, and argue with ourselves when we were Muslims, would we win?

My guess is that with an unlimited amount of time the majority of us would vote Yes. Be interesting to start a poll on it, so here goes..

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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #1 - December 16, 2009, 10:34 PM

I know that if the me of now could go back and argue with the me of then, the me of now would win b/c the me of now can educate the me of then about shariah, fard al ayn, etc. as well as Islamic history and explain the things that I was uncomfortable with and was told 'That's just because you haven't studied enough yet.'

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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #2 - December 16, 2009, 10:59 PM

Absolutely, the me of now could win against the me of then in a matter of hours, I'm sure of it.

If someone had told me the things I know now, back then, it would have made immediate sense to me, but no one ever did.

I really wish I could go back in time.

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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #3 - December 16, 2009, 11:40 PM

Cripes, if you've got a time machine, I'd go back and wipe out the towns of Mecca and Medina to ensure that no Islam never arises out of Arabia.

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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #4 - December 17, 2009, 12:37 AM

Yeah, probably. Because me being loyal to Islam was very much related to being ignorant of Islam. So all I'd need to do is tell myself to go read the hadiths and point out some good Nietchze books and I'd be on my way.

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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #5 - December 17, 2009, 02:50 AM

If I had a time machine, I would want to go to 610 on the night when Muhammad receives wahy from Jibreel. I would want to see what actually happened. What REALLY went on in that tiny cave.

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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #6 - December 17, 2009, 03:19 AM

I wouldn't, I needed it at the time, and I'm glad of all the experience I got and everything I learned.

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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #7 - December 17, 2009, 04:35 AM

Yeah, if I had known then what I know now, I would have apostated. OTOH I lived in Saudi a few years ago and its probably better that I did it in Canada than there.

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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #8 - December 17, 2009, 04:47 AM

Quote from: Angel54 on December 17, 2009, 04:35 AM
Yeah, if I had known then what I know now, I would have apostated. OTOH I lived in Saudi a few years ago and its probably better that I did it in Canada than there.

Its a good thing you left Islam in Canada. If this was in Saudi Arabia, they would take your head. But you are in Canada so no worries

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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #9 - December 17, 2009, 05:25 AM

Quote from: Cool Canadian on December 17, 2009, 02:50 AM
If I had a time machine, I would want to go to 610 on the night when Muhammad receives wahy from Jibreel. I would want to see what actually happened. What REALLY went on in that tiny cave.

I would have stood at the bottom of the mountain. And went: "Jump Jump Jump.."

"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #10 - December 17, 2009, 05:26 AM

Haha yeah, he tried to commit suicide at first right?

Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #11 - December 17, 2009, 06:09 AM

Narcissists will always try but never carry through the self-fuckers

"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #12 - December 17, 2009, 06:23 AM

I definitely would have convinced myself in probably just an hour or two. All my life I was looking for an excuse to leave this bull-crap, but it was ingrained so deeply in me that i wasn't willing to leave until it was 'absolutely 100% proved' that I wasn't going to burn in hell for that. And the proof came when I researched human evolution from primates . If i told my 10-11 year self about this, he would literally quit on the spot
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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #13 - December 17, 2009, 07:26 AM

The me of old would have probably punched the me of new in the end

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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #14 - December 17, 2009, 07:32 AM

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The me of old would have probably punched the me of new in the end

How did you become an atheist? Have you posted your story anywhere?
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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #15 - December 17, 2009, 07:39 AM

Quote from: liberated on December 17, 2009, 07:32 AM
How did you become an atheist? Have you posted your story anywhere?

This is it

from saying "Ali'yun wali'ullah" to "La ilaha"

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Re: If you could go back in time
Reply #16 - December 17, 2009, 10:36 AM

I'd like to believe that me of now will win. But I am not entirely sure. Maybe it depends on the time I go back to.

"In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan
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