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 Topic: Why were you a muslim?

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  • Why were you a muslim?
     OP - January 13, 2010, 11:26 AM

    I can honestly say now that I look back on it, I was only a muslim because I was born to a muslim father.  I was never a muslim because I believed in it, not even when I threw myself into the deen could I say I was choosing my own path.

    I was stuck on a path my birth put me on, not one I chose.

    Were you a muslim because you were born one?

    Did you actually choose to be a muslim?

    Did you feel you had other options if you were born a muslim, or like me did it never even occur to you to be something else?

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #1 - January 13, 2010, 12:04 PM

    Easy! We all (well most of ex-Muslims I guess) were born Muslims. If I for example was born Christian I would have become an ex-christian Afro

    ...
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #2 - January 13, 2010, 12:10 PM

    my family is muslim.. so by default that made me muslim until i was old enough to think for myself and realize the reason behind my apprehension for religion.



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    et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius,
    ad perpetranda miracula rei unius.
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #3 - January 13, 2010, 12:12 PM

    I wondered about that when I was muslim. If I hadn't been Muslim would Allah have guided me to Islam? I was never certain when I tried to answer it. But simple answer, I was a muslim because my parents raised me into that religion. At the age of 6 I had a concept of God, and a concept of disrespecting God is bad. At the age of 5 I thought that whenever the light coming through the window shifted and landed on me, it was God shining his light on me.
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #4 - January 13, 2010, 01:15 PM

    Born in a religious Muslim country to fairly religious Muslim parents. By default I am a Muslim.
    I am actually wondering about what caused me to be an ex-Muslim. I can name a few reasons off my head, but when I try to look back further it seems blurry and unclear what started it all.

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #5 - January 13, 2010, 03:19 PM

    Born in a Muslim family, in a Muslim country, and really believed it for most of my life. I only started having doubts about Islam between the age of 21-22.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #6 - January 13, 2010, 03:23 PM

    I was a muslim because I was born to a muslim family.

    If you're so devout, how come I am not dead?
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #7 - January 13, 2010, 03:35 PM

    Born into Muslim family, part of our culture. However, I was never that religious and my parents really more 'cultural' muslims with a light dash of piety.

    I actually became religious around my teens on my own, mostly out of a need for meaning/purpose and a sense of identity. I think lots of immigrant youths of muslim backgrounds go through an identity crisis at some point and find a 'tribe' in Islamic identity.

    But irregardless of the details, it really boils down to me being born a Muslim. If I wasn't, Islam would've never interested me in the slightest.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #8 - January 13, 2010, 04:22 PM

    I actually remember a conversation with my dad back as a child, can't remember how old I was exactly but it was before I was 13.

    We were studying (as in my dad had set lessons for us  Roll Eyes ) Islam of course, and the part where Islam says the people of the time of mohammed would say they followed their dad's religion who followed their dads religion (anybody remember what I am referring to?) etc etc, to which I pointed out to my dad that "aren't we doing the same thing?  am I a muslim because you are a muslim, and how can I be sure"

    He said it was different for us because we were muslims, and Islam was the true religion.

    Still it's true though, muslims are not muslims because Islam is beautiful, although some obviously convert for that reason or become more pious for that reason.  It all boils down to the accident of birth, my father and fathers father.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #9 - January 13, 2010, 05:07 PM

    Born Muslim, but i am not sure i could ever call myself a Muslim....had much conflicts with Islam all my life

  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #10 - January 13, 2010, 06:27 PM

    I actually remember a conversation with my dad back as a child, can't remember how old I was exactly but it was before I was 13.

    We were studying (as in my dad had set lessons for us  Roll Eyes ) Islam of course, and the part where Islam says the people of the time of mohammed would say they followed their dad's religion who followed their dads religion (anybody remember what I am referring to?) etc etc, to which I pointed out to my dad that "aren't we doing the same thing?  am I a muslim because you are a muslim, and how can I be sure"

    He said it was different for us because we were muslims, and Islam was the true religion.

    Still it's true though, muslims are not muslims because Islam is beautiful, although some obviously convert for that reason or become more pious for that reason.  It all boils down to the accident of birth, my father and fathers father.



    That was pretty much my dad's argument for Islam to me. Great guy, doesn't give a flying fuck about theology, he's just like "well we are muslims, thats why we pray"... I'm like "why".. "cos ur grandpa was, now shut up and pray".

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #11 - January 13, 2010, 07:19 PM

    I was not born Muslim but converted later in life. I completely regret doing it.

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #12 - January 13, 2010, 07:51 PM

    I was not born Muslim but converted later in life. I completely regret doing it.

    How have you been fooled?

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #13 - January 13, 2010, 07:59 PM

    How have you been fooled?


    The dawah makes Islam look pretty reasonable - it isn't until you investigate when you realise that sounds worse than Christianity and Judaism combined.

    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #14 - January 13, 2010, 08:44 PM

    The dawah makes Islam look pretty reasonable - it isn't until you investigate when you realise that sounds worse than Christianity and Judaism combined.


    Thats exactly it. Plus having Muslims around you all the time kinda influences you a lot. When I became Muslim, the more rules that I was taught, the more I didn't like it. Loving Muhammad more than family, all the superstitions, wierd beliefs and so on, helped me move away from it. But I tried to stick with it. Another thing which put me off was the character of the devout Muslims. Very rude to non-muslims, bossy, controlling and always giving charity only to Muslims. these are just some of the things which made me leave Islam.

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #15 - January 13, 2010, 09:06 PM

    I was a Muslim becos I had a unitarian belief in the Abrahamic god and I found it easy to accept that Mo could be his prophet as previous prophets.  I mean, I didn't see a reason to exclude him just b/c he wasn't Jewish.  And actually for many years, this was fine for my life.  I was a Muslim, but it was when I wanted to draw nearer to god and started to learn about Islam as a Muslim - as opposed to the dawahganda stuff or learning that having "a personal relationship with god" really isn't accepted and you have to "learn it from the Muslims - that is when the problems started for  me and that was about another ten years or so.

     I would learn something and be repulsed or confused or upset by it (for example Aishah's marriage), and so I started to study  more and more trying to learn the logic behind this particular ruling or whatever, but the more I studied, the more I began to see how it was constructed, and how basically, people practice taqiyah even if they don't call it that, when they talk to non-Muslims and new / uneducated Muslims.   Like the more I studied, trying to find a way to see where Aishah's marriage is a good thing, the more I came in contact with people who spent their entire lives studying and teaching the deen, praised and accepted by muslims as 'true scholars' telling me that you just have to accept that the prophet boned a 9 yr old girl and this is his excellent character and allah ordained this marriage.  Anyway, at some point, that simple unitarian belief in the Abrahamic god completely left me. 

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  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #16 - January 14, 2010, 10:04 PM

    I was born into a sunni muslim family and spent a great deal of my life practicing. I genuinely believed that from all the world religions, this was the most coherent textually, if you were to place it alongside other world religions. Whatever the theology, the main source could at least be traced back to Muhammad. My main issue was a theological one and not specific to Islam itself. I had doubts about the existence of God for a very long time and spent many many years trying to regain my "faith". In the end I wasn't convinced intellectually or for any other reason and really had to evaluate what the reasons were for why I wanted to believe.
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #17 - February 08, 2010, 08:12 PM

    Filled a void in my otherwise dull life lol. That is true to a certain extent but primarily because my family was Muslim. I delved further into the moral and philosophical issues in Islam and it made me uneasy and I was filled with doubts. I would be lying if I did not see a certain beauty in Islam at one point - a couple verses in the Qur'an were inspirational but in general Islam was another delusion like the other religions and a dangerous one at that.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #18 - February 08, 2010, 09:34 PM

    Filled a void in my otherwise dull life lol. That is true to a certain extent but primarily because my family was Muslim. I delved further into the moral and philosophical issues in Islam and it made me uneasy and I was filled with doubts. I would be lying if I did not see a certain beauty in Islam at one point - a couple verses in the Qur'an were inspirational but in general Islam was another delusion like the other religions and a dangerous one at that.

    +1

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  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #19 - February 09, 2010, 01:11 AM

    I was born in to a Muslims family, well sort off: dad is a non believer & only mom believes, my childhood mind was programmed by natural selection to believe in my parents and thus i believed in Islam as my mom taught me that stuff. Didn't really enjoy practicing though. After some discussions with dad and friends and thanks to Richard Dawkins's book "The God Delusion" and some studying of evolution I left Islam.

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #20 - February 09, 2010, 01:50 AM

    I was born in to a Muslims family, well sort off: dad is a non believer & only mom believes, my childhood mind was programmed by natural selection to believe in my parents and thus i believed in Islam as my mom taught me that stuff. Didn't really enjoy practicing though. After some discussions with dad and friends and thanks to Richard Dawkins's book "The God Delusion" and some studying of evolution I left Islam.

    How did your mom square the fact that Muslim women are not allowed to marry non Muslims, with your dad being a non-believer? And even Muslim men I think are allowed only to marry women who are 'Ahlul Kitab' (Christians and Jews), not sure about the latter though.

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #21 - February 09, 2010, 06:09 AM

    Haha she dont know man! She is always complaining about how me and him are so slack when it comes to religion. I think it is wise to keep this much from her as it could be too much. You can imagine how hard it would be to find out that you are "married" to a non muslim lol. Plus this news spreading in the extended family would cause total chaos too. I guess me and him just gotta suffer among ourselves, well mostly.

    But i am actually pretty surprised as there are a handful of apostates in my extended family and sadly they are keepimg up with the act for their families just like i am. 

    Sometimes i wish i was born a christan or something or from some other culture where religion was lax or easy to leave. Freakin paki culture and islam :(

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #22 - February 09, 2010, 07:53 AM

    Without doubt the accident of birth is by far and away the single most crucial factor of why most Muslims are Muslim - though few will admit it. (They will instead give lots of rational, logical or spiritual reasons why they "chose" Islam.)

    I was born to a Muslim family though neither parent was religious and we had a very secular and non-religious upringing. But when - at the age of 19/20 I started going thorough a search for identity and meaning to my life I reached for Islam. Had my parents been Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish or Mormon... it would have been that religion/identity I reached for.

    Simple as!

    (Though that doesn't mean I didn't sincerely throw myself into my faith.)
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #23 - February 09, 2010, 10:45 AM

    Count me in on the parents/culture crowd.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #24 - February 09, 2010, 11:01 AM

    For me it was a matter of trying to find some structure in my life and having come from a non-religious background, Islam appealed to me with it's emphasis on family and community as I was on my own and very lonely at the time that I converted.

    Also, I was taken in by all the dawahganda which, silly naive me, I fell for hook, line and sinker.

    Also, having some really good Muslim friends around me helped to push me towards choosing Islam.  To their benefit, even though they know I am now an apostate they choose to overlook that point and see me for my personal virtues rather than my adherance to their faith.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #25 - February 09, 2010, 12:02 PM

    I can honestly say now that I look back on it, I was only a muslim because I was born to a muslim father.  I was never a muslim because I believed in it, not even when I threw myself into the deen could I say I was choosing my own path.

    I was stuck on a path my birth put me on, not one I chose.

    Were you a muslim because you were born one?

    Did you actually choose to be a muslim?

    Did you feel you had other options if you were born a muslim, or like me did it never even occur to you to be something else?


    I felt like I had a religious experience at the age of 14 when, after "submitting to Allah", I felt so pure I wanted God to kill me and take me to heaven. I thought at the time that my brother effectively proved to me that Islam was the true religion, and although nothing of what he said could have been verified (it was largely predictions about day of judgment) it felt like I either have faith in Allah and jump into the black hole or I am too scared to jump and stay back with the Jews who will be slaughtered by trees and rocks on the day of judgment. It was a very surreal experience, no doubt because of the surreal stories my brother was telling me about. He converted to Islam about 2 or 3 years before I did. Soon after though, I started thinking of more logical (but still very simple) reasons for my faith in Islam, such as that there can only be one god (backed by various poor philosophical arguments), scientific miracles in the Qur'an, the unchanged Qur'an, and the overwhelming feeling of peace and love I would receive from praying or just thinking about Allah. At one point I thought I experienced a miracle, but it seemed like such a mundane miracle that even though there was no explanation (except that I could have been massively mistaken... it happens) it didn't really affect my faith... but it got me thinking. I asked fellow Muslims that were there at the time and they were baffled too. I asked them if it could be a miracle, and they said it could be but I could see that they thought it was a pretty mundane one if it was, aswell. Eventually, I realized I was committing the huge fallacy of already accepting Islam to be true and then just looking for reasons to back my belief up even more, rather than judging the evidence for and against Islam being a true religion, without any bias. That shook my faith.

    I'd be so convinced of Islam that the prospect of meeting Allah after I died felt as obviously real as the prospect of meeting my parent's after school. Often I would plead with people to just accept what is obviously true and embrace Islam. Yeah I was brainwashed alright. It came as such a surprise when I suddenly left Islam for purely logical reasons that my non-Muslim sister (who was angry when I became a Muslim) was actually just as angry when I left! She asked me a million and one questions and I gave her simple logical answers, to which she wasn't very impressed (she isn't very well educated... she would have been more impressed with illogical but emotional reasons for leaving Islam, like "a lot of Muslim friends were bullying me so I told them to stuff their religion"). I think she thought I was messing her about. I might not have shown it on the outside but realizing Islam wasn't all I thought it was was incredibly emotional for me. It was just like my best friend had just died.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #26 - February 10, 2010, 05:14 AM

    Without doubt the accident of birth is by far and away the single most crucial factor of why most Muslims are Muslim - though few will admit it. (They will instead give lots of rational, logical or spiritual reasons why they "chose" Islam.).......
    ........Had my parents been Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish or Mormon... it would have been that religion/identity I reached for.

    Simple as!

    +1
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #27 - February 10, 2010, 10:55 AM

    I was born into a muslim family, so I guess that would have had an impact. The issue I had myself was with God and theology. I genuinely believed that Islam was the "true" faith and tried my damn hardest to re-ignite it.
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #28 - February 10, 2010, 12:46 PM

    I was born into one. Mum mostly forced me to pray and learn suras off by heart. Between 7-15 I "had faith". Used to pray and believe in Santa (up until 11), it was easy to do. Then mugged by reality.
  • Re: Why were you a muslim?
     Reply #29 - February 24, 2010, 05:54 PM

    I was born and raised one. I had faith until I was in my mid 20s. By then I had started to question Islam. I especially could not come to grips with how an omniscient and omnipotent god could make so many mistakes.
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