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  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #30 - January 18, 2010, 10:58 PM

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    some disbelieve out of sincere inability to see the truth


    is that fair?
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #31 - January 18, 2010, 11:00 PM


    Please show me where I ever claimed that women beaten their husbands... I clearly said they maltreated them.. anyway, please quote me where I said that women beaten their husbands.
     


    OK let's say I was wrong, you said maltreatment of men. But you still haven't posted the hadith. And at least three people have asked you, me, Berbs and Angel54. And you said you would post it several times.


    Eternal damnation? Only pride-based disbelief. and since you brought this up, I'd very much like to discuss with you eternal damnation on a seperate thread in your Exclusive Rooms. I'll support everything with verses.



    Why in the exclusive rooms, should we not be saved as well? Should we not benefit from your wisdom? Or are you afraid that the chance of getting criticized increases with more people reading your posts?
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #32 - January 18, 2010, 11:00 PM

    @ BD

    Of course the Temple was destroyed... it's even recorded in the Quran... In the Quran God re-tells us what He told the Jews and how their Temple would be destroyed twice ...

    and Umar built the mosque on the spot were the Temple once stood.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #33 - January 18, 2010, 11:02 PM

    You're mixing up the rights of men with God...

    Everyone who sins against others will be punished... Even God won't intervene...

    But you were talking about the oneness of God, as opposed to the right God.  Say for example I was praying to a single God but it happened to be a different one to Allah, lets say my slipper.  My claim is that it created the universe, but it is still a 'oneness'

    Does that make it OK?

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  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #34 - January 18, 2010, 11:03 PM

    @ BD

    Of course the Temple was destroyed... it's even recorded in the Quran... In the Quran God re-tells us what He told the Jews and how their Temple would be destroyed twice ...

    and Umar built the mosque on the spot were the Temple once stood.


    Please post verse. This is a first for me. Change of Qiblah mentioned yes. The destruction of the temples, and told twice? I have to read this.
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #35 - January 18, 2010, 11:06 PM

    @ BD

    Quote
    OK let's say I was wrong, you said maltreatment of men. But you still haven't posted the hadith. And at least three people have asked you, me, Berbs and Angel54. And you said you would post it several times.

     

    I said I would *dig it* up... meaning it needs looking for.. I read it somehwhere some time ago. Again, like I told Ella, if you guys were convinced in the argument I based on that Hadith, then it's worth looking for, otherwise why should I bother?

    Quote
    Why in the exclusive rooms, should we not be saved as well? Should we not benefit from your wisdom? Or are you afraid that the chance of getting criticized increases with more people reading your posts?

     

    No, because I am one person, and you are many... Besides, let's admit it, no one of you matches up Hassan's knowledge.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #36 - January 18, 2010, 11:07 PM

    But you were talking about the oneness of God, as opposed to the right God.  Say for example I was praying to a single God but it happened to be a different one to Allah, lets say my slipper.  My claim is that it created the universe, but it is still a 'oneness'

    Does that make it OK?


    From now on, I'll ignore sarcastic questions.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #37 - January 18, 2010, 11:09 PM

    Again, if you honestly think that the creator of the laws of nature can't break them or change them, then it's OK as long as you submit to the creator God.

    Yes. Some of them, not all of them.

    Pride/arrogance/stubborness.... some disbelieve out of sincere inability to see the truth.

    Eternal damnation? Only pride-based disbelief. and since you brought this up, I'd very much like to discuss with you eternal damnation on a seperate thread in your Exclusive Rooms. I'll support everything with verses.

    If you refuse out of pride/arrogance/stubborness, then eternal damnation is the final abode.


    Ahh... yes, we are at the pride/arrogance/stubborness stage - I think time to bid you farewll and best of luck with all that Smiley

    I will just say this, dear Debunker, even if unbelievers were all these things - is it really fair to torture them in Hell forever?

    Also I should mention that I have got to know a great many ex-Muslims since leaving Islam myself, and none of them are arrogant, full of pride or stubborn - though I could point to many Muslims I knew who would fit that bill perfectly.

    Though of course I am certainly not suggesting they be tortured for eternity in Hell.

    I would never wish that on any creature.

    Apparently only the Most Merciful of those who show Mercy will.

    تصبح على خير
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #38 - January 18, 2010, 11:11 PM

    @ BD

    Surah Isra

    وَقَضَيْنَا إِلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ فِي الْكِتَابِ لَتُفْسِدُنَّ فِي الأَرْضِ مَرَّتَيْنِ وَلَتَعْلُنَّ عُلُوًّا كَبِيرًا ?4?  فَإِذَا جَاء وَعْدُ أُولاهُمَا بَعَثْنَا عَلَيْكُمْ عِبَادًا لَّنَا أُوْلِي بَأْسٍ شَدِيدٍ فَجَاسُواْ خِلاَلَ الدِّيَارِ وَكَانَ وَعْدًا مَّفْعُولاً ?5?  ثُمَّ رَدَدْنَا لَكُمُ الْكَرَّةَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَمْدَدْنَاكُم بِأَمْوَالٍ وَبَنِينَ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ أَكْثَرَ نَفِيرًا ?6?  إِنْ أَحْسَنتُمْ أَحْسَنتُمْ لِأَنفُسِكُمْ وَإِنْ أَسَأْتُمْ فَلَهَا فَإِذَا جَاء وَعْدُ الآخِرَةِ لِيَسُوؤُواْ وُجُوهَكُمْ وَلِيَدْخُلُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ كَمَا دَخَلُوهُ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَلِيُتَبِّرُواْ مَا عَلَوْاْ تَتْبِيرًا ?7?

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #39 - January 18, 2010, 11:15 PM

    Ahh... yes, we are at the pride/arrogance/stubborness stage - I think time to bid you farewll and best of luck with all that Smiley

    I will just say this, dear Debunker, even if unbelievers were all these things - is it really fair to torture them in Hell forever?

    Also I should mention that I have got to know a great many ex-Muslims since leaving Islam myself, and none of them are arrogant, full of pride or stubborn - though I could point to many Muslims I knew who would fit that bill perfectly.

    Though of course I am certainly not suggesting they be tortured for eternity in Hell.

    I would never wish that on any creature.

    Apparently only the Most Merciful of those who show Mercy will.

    تصبح على خير


    Yeah, many Muslims are actually too busy worshipping themselves...

    And I didn't say that one has to stick to Islam specifically, only accept the argument for the Oneness of God, the creator God...

    Anyway, I read you got tired of posting on forums, but if you want me to start that thread in the Exclusive Rooms, then I will.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #40 - January 18, 2010, 11:29 PM

    man this blog is heaven.....please if you have more blogs like this give me their addresses,

    this is great thank you

  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #41 - January 18, 2010, 11:31 PM

    only accept the argument for the Oneness of God, the creator God...


    Fuck that.

    The overarching importance of tawheed in Islam has to the the stupidest central concept any ideology has based on. Why the fuck does it matter is some bloke in the forests of India believes in 2 gods? Why does he deserve to burn in hell just for this one belief? What a nonsense concept, tawheed my bum.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #42 - January 18, 2010, 11:35 PM

    Quote from: Islame
    But you were talking about the oneness of God, as opposed to the right God.  Say for example I was praying to a single God but it happened to be a different one to Allah, lets say the garden gnome at the bottom of my garden.  My claim is that it created the universe, but it is still a 'oneness'

    Does that make it OK?

    From now on, I'll ignore sarcastic questions.

    OK - I have replaced the word slipper with garden gnome, in the hope that you will answer the question.

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  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #43 - January 18, 2010, 11:37 PM

    Fuck that.

    The overarching importance of tawheed in Islam has to the the stupidest central concept any ideology has based on. Why the fuck does it matter is some bloke in the forests of India believes in 2 gods? Why does he deserve to burn in hell just for this one belief? What a nonsense concept, tawheed my bum.


    Because the God of Islam is a neurotic, anxious, jealous, envious, insecure God, with low self esteem, and that one man in a forest in India worshipping two Gods causes Allah to have cold sweats, jealous spasms, obsessional insecurity, and insomnia.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #44 - January 18, 2010, 11:38 PM

    Because the God of Islam is a neurotic, anxious, jealous, envious, insecure God, with low self esteem, and that one man in a forest in India worshipping two Gods causes Allah to have cold sweats, jealous spasms, obsessional insecurity, and insomnia.




    LOL. Sounds a lot like Mo... oh wait - they're the same person! Grin

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #45 - January 18, 2010, 11:39 PM

    @ Soren

    Quote
    They are legends.. the Quran is very clear on this... Muhammed didn't perform any miracles.


    Proof:

    Surah: Ta ha
    133
    وَقَالُوا لَوْلَا يَأْتِينَا بِآيَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّهِ أَوَلَمْ تَأْتِهِم بَيِّنَةُ مَا فِي الصُّحُفِ الْأُولَى

    Surah: Thunder
     السورة الرعد آية 7
    وَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ لَوْلآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ آيَةٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُنذِرٌ وَلِكُلِّ قَوْمٍ هَادٍ

    Surah: Spider.
    العنكبوت
      وَقَالُوا لَوْلَا أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ آيَاتٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِ قُلْ إِنَّمَا الْآيَاتُ عِندَ اللَّهِ وَإِنَّمَا أَنَا نَذِيرٌ مُّبِينٌ ?50?  أَوَلَمْ يَكْفِهِمْ أَنَّا أَنزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ يُتْلَى عَلَيْهِمْ إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لَرَحْمَةً وَذِكْرَى لِقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ ?51?

    Surah: Isra
    السورة الاسراء آية 59
    وَمَا مَنَعَنَا أَن نُّرْسِلَ بِالآيَاتِ إِلاَّ أَن كَذَّبَ بِهَا الأَوَّلُونَ وَآتَيْنَا ثَمُودَ النَّاقَةَ مُبْصِرَةً فَظَلَمُواْ بِهَا وَمَا نُرْسِلُ بِالآيَاتِ إِلاَّ تَخْوِيفًا

    The above 4 examples are ENOUGH to prove that the prophet didn't perform miracles. However, you might also want to look at the verses below.

    Surah: Cattle
    السورة الانعام آية 37
    وَقَالُواْ لَوْلاَ نُزِّلَ عَلَيْهِ آيَةٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِ قُلْ إِنَّ اللّهَ قَادِرٌ عَلَى أَن يُنَزِّلٍ آيَةً وَلَـكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ

    Surah: Furqan
    الفرقان
    ?  وَقَالُوا مَالِ هَذَا الرَّسُولِ يَأْكُلُ الطَّعَامَ وَيَمْشِي فِي الْأَسْوَاقِ لَوْلَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْهِ مَلَكٌ فَيَكُونَ مَعَهُ نَذِيرًا ?7?  أَوْ يُلْقَى إِلَيْهِ كَنزٌ أَوْ تَكُونُ لَهُ جَنَّةٌ يَأْكُلُ مِنْهَا وَقَالَ الظَّالِمُونَ إِن تَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا رَجُلًا مَّسْحُورًا ?8?  انظُرْ كَيْفَ ضَرَبُوا لَكَ الْأَمْثَالَ فَضَلُّوا فَلَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَبِيلًا ?9?  تَبَارَكَ الَّذِي إِن شَاء جَعَلَ لَكَ خَيْرًا مِّن ذَلِكَ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ وَيَجْعَل لَّكَ قُصُورًا ?10?  بَلْ كَذَّبُوا بِالسَّاعَةِ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِمَن كَذَّبَ بِالسَّاعَةِ سَعِيرًا ?11?

    Surah: Isra.
     الاسراء
     وَقَالُواْ لَن نُّؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّى تَفْجُرَ لَنَا مِنَ الأَرْضِ يَنبُوعًا ?90?  أَوْ تَكُونَ لَكَ جَنَّةٌ مِّن نَّخِيلٍ وَعِنَبٍ فَتُفَجِّرَ الأَنْهَارَ خِلالَهَا تَفْجِيرًا ?91?  أَوْ تُسْقِطَ السَّمَاء كَمَا زَعَمْتَ عَلَيْنَا كِسَفًا أَوْ تَأْتِيَ بِاللّهِ وَالْمَلآئِكَةِ قَبِيلاً ?92?  أَوْ يَكُونَ لَكَ بَيْتٌ مِّن زُخْرُفٍ أَوْ تَرْقَى فِي السَّمَاء وَلَن نُّؤْمِنَ لِرُقِيِّكَ حَتَّى تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا كِتَابًا نَّقْرَؤُهُ قُلْ سُبْحَانَ رَبِّي هَلْ كُنتُ إَلاَّ بَشَرًا رَّسُولاً ?93?  

    Clearly, they (the disbelievers) kept whining about the lack of (physical) signs of Muhammed's prophethood.

    Quote
    Interesting. So there's basicly no chance that I will become a believer even though I very much would like to be persuaded to worship this creation who basicly created me for the fire. Cause of course I wouldn't like my skin destroyed in agony, only to have it put back on and repeat that rehearsal again and again. I wouldn't like to grind my teeth forever and ever... I would like very much to become a believre if there were such a creature who would do this to me or to anyone for that matter.

    - so he wasted peoples life by doing an experiment?


    I'll discuss these with Hassan in the Exclusive Rooms, if he accepts. I never said that God was "experimenting"... He just established the evidence against humanity: people who want to disbelieve will do so regardless of miracles.

    Quote
    so the god learned from his mistakes? - that's great - a being which can learn from it's mistakes is admirable. Or did he just set up millions of people for a little show for all people who were going to live after ... erhhm let's say ... a fellow from Arabia got the final news. And people who did not hear about this Arab fellow's message should keep on believing in magic and miracles until they properly recieved this message. Alright, sounds fair to me.


    You misunerstood what I wrote and ignored the fact that I said only pride-based disbelief is punished with eternal damnation... In fact, Satan is a believer in God, his only sin is pride... he insisted on disobeying God out of shear pride but he never disbelieved in Him.

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  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #46 - January 18, 2010, 11:40 PM

    OK - I have replaced the word slipper with garden gnome, in the hope that you will answer the question.


    You're still being sarcastic.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #47 - January 18, 2010, 11:43 PM

    Quote
    LOL. Sounds a lot like Mo... oh wait - they're the same person!

     

    Exactly! The universe is an incomprehensible creation of such vastness that if we were ever to comprehend its infinite size and variety, it would crush our minds - it is beyond imagining, beyond numbers, beyond all that can be conceived of - even on this planet Earth alone resides trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions of moments, lives, thoughts, beings, in just one second of existence.

    And the fella in the sky who made this, Allah, is obsessionally terrified of a few men and women not paying him enough slurp=slurp-slurp devotion! Like he has a bad case of haemmoroids!

    Someone please send Allah some medical cream for his piles.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #48 - January 18, 2010, 11:46 PM

    You're still being sarcastic.

    I wasnt, just thinking of something not traditionally thought to be Allah.

    How about this

    Quote
    But you were talking about the oneness of God, as opposed to the right God.  Say for example I was praying to a single God but it happened to be a different one to Allah, lets say the fairy at the bottom of my garden.  My claim is that it created the universe, but it is still a 'oneness'


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  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #49 - January 18, 2010, 11:47 PM

    Fuck that.

    The overarching importance of tawheed in Islam has to the the stupidest central concept any ideology has based on. Why the fuck does it matter is some bloke in the forests of India believes in 2 gods? Why does he deserve to burn in hell just for this one belief? What a nonsense concept, tawheed my bum.


    I never said that those who don't believe in Tawheed out of ignorance or out of sincere inability to believe in the Oneness of God are going to Hell... didn't you read about the men standing between Hell and paradise in the Quran? We don't know anything about them, but to me that's evidence that the matter of belief or disbelief is not simply black and white and only pride-cased disbelief guarantees eternal damnaton... you, of all creations, Iblis know a thing or two about pride-based disobedience, don't you?

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #50 - January 18, 2010, 11:49 PM

    But in you're entire response to me you're missing out on one important fact: THERE IS NO GOD!

    Pride or not, you're talking to me about obedience and acknowledgement of an entity which is purely imaginary. So that angle of dawah to me is meaningless and ineffective. Try again.

    Debunker, you seem like a smart guy and I think it's best you drop the charade and admit that Allah is just Mo's imaginary friend.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #51 - January 18, 2010, 11:50 PM

    I wasnt, just thinking of something not traditionally thought to be Allah.

    How about this



    Pray to the Creator God ALONE... if no scripture makes sense to you, pray to the creator God only... you don't have to use the Arabic name for Him.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #52 - January 18, 2010, 11:53 PM

    But in you're entire response to me you're missing out on one important fact: THERE IS NO GOD!

    Pride or not, you're talking to me about obedience and acknowledgement of an entity which is purely imaginary. So that angle of dawah to me is meaningless and ineffective. Try again.

    Debunker, you seem like a smart guy and I think it's best you drop the charade and admit that Allah is just Mo's imaginary friend.


    I wasn't making Da'wah... If you check my record at FFI, I never preached, I only discussed accusations.. unless if you think that answering questions directed at me can only be labled as Da'wah, then I'll just stop.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #53 - January 18, 2010, 11:54 PM

    @ BD

    Surah Isra

    وَقَضَيْنَا إِلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ فِي الْكِتَابِ لَتُفْسِدُنَّ فِي الأَرْضِ مَرَّتَيْنِ وَلَتَعْلُنَّ عُلُوًّا كَبِيرًا ?4?  فَإِذَا جَاء وَعْدُ أُولاهُمَا بَعَثْنَا عَلَيْكُمْ عِبَادًا لَّنَا أُوْلِي بَأْسٍ شَدِيدٍ فَجَاسُواْ خِلاَلَ الدِّيَارِ وَكَانَ وَعْدًا مَّفْعُولاً ?5?  ثُمَّ رَدَدْنَا لَكُمُ الْكَرَّةَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَمْدَدْنَاكُم بِأَمْوَالٍ وَبَنِينَ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ أَكْثَرَ نَفِيرًا ?6?  إِنْ أَحْسَنتُمْ أَحْسَنتُمْ لِأَنفُسِكُمْ وَإِنْ أَسَأْتُمْ فَلَهَا فَإِذَا جَاء وَعْدُ الآخِرَةِ لِيَسُوؤُواْ وُجُوهَكُمْ وَلِيَدْخُلُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ كَمَا دَخَلُوهُ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَلِيُتَبِّرُواْ مَا عَلَوْاْ تَتْبِيرًا ?7?


    First of all, thank you Smiley
       
    17:4 And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: Ye verily will work corruption in the earth twice, and ye will become great tyrants.    
    17:5 So when the time for the first of the two came, We roused against you slaves of Ours of great might who ravaged (your) country, and it was a threat performed.    
    17:6 Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery.    
    17:7 (Saying): If ye do good, ye do good for your own souls, and if ye do evil, it is for them (in like manner). So, when the time for the second (of the judgments) came (We roused against you others of Our slaves) to ravage you, and to enter the Temple even as they entered it the first time, and to lay waste all that they conquered with an utter wasting.

    Seriously? That is morbid. Allah sent pagans to destroy sacred temples? Because they spread mischief in the land? So how come Allah didn't just eradicate the jews completely? Like He had done with other civilizations?

    I swear if you say, because they were Allah's chosen people... If you do, ask yourself why did they deserve this treatment? And not other civilizations?
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #54 - January 18, 2010, 11:55 PM

    Even if there is a God, if he is anything like the obsessionally jealous and petty God that Allah is projected as, he's a laughable, silly, pathetic joke.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #55 - January 18, 2010, 11:56 PM

    @ BD
     

    I said I would *dig it* up... meaning it needs looking for.. I read it somehwhere some time ago. Again, like I told Ella, if you guys were convinced in the argument I based on that Hadith, then it's worth looking for, otherwise why should I bother?
     

    No, because I am one person, and you are many... Besides, let's admit it, no one of you matches up Hassan's knowledge.


    Lol as if I'm walking into that hole. Post it and I tell you what I think. I'm not commenting on something I havn't read, what you take me for?

    Well tough luck, you post in a public forum you will have to debate people.
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #56 - January 19, 2010, 12:01 AM

    Pray to the Creator God ALONE... if no scripture makes sense to you, pray to the creator God only... you don't have to use the Arabic name for Him.

    well what should i do if i don't think their is a god that requires me to worship him or that is worthy of that if he requested such

  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #57 - January 19, 2010, 12:04 AM

    Actually what about the argument I don't think it's right that a God makes me worship him. Or follow him. A bit like I wouldn't find it fair if I my parents forced me. Now I love them and respect them based on their actions, feelings, words and intentions. But being forced? Or having to think and lead yourself to love and follow? How is that free will? And getting punished for it? All of this seems odd.

    I only created jinn and man to worship Me. (Surat adh-Dhariyat, 56)

    I never asked to be born. And there is no clear, tangible proof. There is however faith, and believing simply out of that. But my problem is religion and proof outside religion. I stay agnostic. I can't believe to disbelieve either. So I remain unsure. But religion? The more I read with a clear mind the less convinced I am. And the more it pisses me off. There is so much hate and arrogance. I don't like that. I don't want to live like that either. I like being a good person, and I try my best to be loving and respectful. And I fail, a lot of times, but I will try till I die (I'd say Inshallah here but I rather say willfully). I believe in respecting people of all religions, genders, cultures, creeds and sexual orientations. And I will try to meet my own requirements. This is not for no God, or outward prize. I do this because I believe its a noble and human way of being. And I will fail, but I believe that its a worthy thing to strive towards. I was like this as a muslim as well, but reading the Quran, kuffar this, kuffar that, jews this, Christians that, hypocrites this, and so on it just became too much. I don't want to defend this hateful and divisive ideology anymore.


  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #58 - January 19, 2010, 12:04 AM

    @ BD

    Quote
    Seriously? That is morbid. Allah sent pagans to destroy sacred temples? Because they spread mischief in the land? So how come Allah didn't just eradicate the jews completely? Like He had done with other civilizations?


    There are various ways of God's punishment, one of them is wars amongst people (verse?).

    Quote
    I swear if you say, because they were Allah's chosen people... If you do, ask yourself why did they deserve this treatment? And not other civilizations?

     
    I don't know why didn't God simply wipe them out... Besides, we really don't have much details about the nature of their disobedience..  

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon
     Reply #59 - January 19, 2010, 12:07 AM

    @ BD & virtual

    I'm finishing an argument on another forum and then I'll be back.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
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