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  • Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     OP - January 28, 2010, 09:07 PM

    Boy, this fatwa really cheeses me off!  finmad

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    Is there a mention of the equality of women in the qur'an?

    Praise be to Allaah. 

    Firstly:

    This word ? equality ? which many thinkers in both the east and the west advocate in various fields of life is a word which is based on deviation and a lack of understanding, especially when the speaker attributes this idea of equality to the Qur?aan and to Islam.

    One of the things that people misunderstand is when they say that ?Islam is the religion of equality?. What they should say is that Islam is the religion of justice.

    Shaykh Ibn ?Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    ?Here we should note that there are some people who speak of equality instead of justice, and this is a mistake. We should not say equality, because equality implies no differentiation between the two. Because of this unjust call for equality, they started to ask, what is the difference between male and female?? So they made males and females the same, and then the communists said, ?What difference is there between ruler and subject? No one has any authority over anyone else, not even fathers and sons; the father has no authority over his son,? and so on.


     Cheesy

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    But if we say justice, which means giving each one that to which he or she is entitled, this misunderstanding no longer applies, and the word used is correct. Hence it does not say in the Qur?aan that Allaah enjoins equality, rather it says (interpretation of the meaning):

     ?Verily, Allaah enjoins Al‑?Adl (i.e. justice)?

    [al-Nahl 16:90]

    ?and that when you judge between men, you judge with justice?

    [al-Nisa? 4:58]

    Those who say that Islam is the religion of equality are lying against Islam. Rather Islam is the religion of justice which means treating equally those who are equal and differentiating between those who are different.

    No one who knows the religion of Islam would say that it is the religion of equality.  Rather what shows you that this principle is false is the fact that most of what is mentioned in the Qur?aan denies equality, as in the following verses:

    ?Say: Are those who know equal to those who know not??

    [al-Zumar 39:9]

    ?Say: Is the blind equal to the one who sees? Or darkness equal to light??

    [al-Ra?d 13:16]

    ?Not equal among you are those who spent and fought before the conquering (of Makkah, with those among you who did so later?

    [al-Hadeed 57:10]

    ?Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allaah with their wealth and their live?

    [al-Nisa? 4:95]

    Not one single letter in the Qur?aan enjoins equality, rather it enjoins justice. You will also find that the word justice is acceptable to people, for I feel that if I am better than this man in terms of knowledge, or wealth, or piety, or in doing good, I would not like for him to be equal to me.

    Every man knows that he find it unacceptable if we say that the male is equal to the female.?


    No, only insecure little men who get their kicks from beating up and locking up their women.   Notice the literal reading of the word 'equality' here.  This Salafi literalism reminds me of some of the wackier Souther Baptists in the American South who take the verse in the Bible regarding the handling of snakes seriously and dance around their church halls holding vipers in their bare hands.


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    Sharh al-?Aqeedah al-Waasitah, 1/180-181

    Based on this, Islam does not regard men and women as equal in matters where regarding them as equal would result in injustice to one of them, because equality that is inappropriate is a severe form of injustice.


    WTF?!?!?!

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    The Qur?aan commands women to wear clothes that are different from those worn by men, because of the differences in the ways each sex is tempted by the other. The temptation posed by men is less than the temptation posed by women, so the clothes that women should wear are different than the clothes that men wear. It makes no sense to tell women to expose the parts of the body that men are allowed to expose, because of the differences in the temptation posed by a woman?s body and a man?s body ? as we shall explain.

    Secondly:

    There are matters in which men and women are treated differently in Islamic sharee?ah, such as:

    1 ? Qiwaamah (being in charge of the household)

    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    ?Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means?

    [al-Nisa? 4:34]

    Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    ?Allaah says ?Men are the protectors and maintainers of women? meaning that the man is in charge of the woman, i.e., he is the leader and head of the household, the one who disciplines her if she goes astray.

    ?because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other? i.e., because men are superior to women and are  better than women. Hence Prophethood was given only to men, as was the position of khaleefah, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ?No people shall ever prosper who appoint a woman as their ruler.? This was narrated by al-Bukhaari from the hadeeth of ?Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Abi Bakrah from his father. The same applies to the position of qaadi (judge), etc.

    ?and because they spend (to support them) from their means? refers to the mahr and the spending on women?s maintenance that Allaah has enjoined upon men in His Book and in the Sunnah of His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So a man is inherently better than a woman, and he is superior to her because he spends on her. So it is appropriate that he should be in charge of her, as Allaah says, ?but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them? [al-Baqarah 2:228].


    Ah, love the circular logic in the above statment!  wacko

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    ?Ali ibn Abi Talhah said, narrating from Ibn ?Abbaas: ?Men are the protectors and maintainers of women? means that men are the leaders of women and they should obey them in areas where Allaah has enjoined obedience. Obedience may mean treating his family kindly and protecting his wealth.?

    (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/490)

    2 ? Testimony or bearing witness. The Qur?aan states that the testimony of one man is equivalent to the testimony of two women.

    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    ?And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her?

    [al-Baqarah 2:282]

    Ibn Katheer said:

    Two women are to take the place of one man because women are lacking in reason as Muslim narrated in his Saheeh? from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ?O women, give in charity and seek forgiveness a great deal, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.? A wise woman among them said, ?Why is it, O Messenger of Allaah, that we are the majority of the people of Hell?? He said, ?Because you curse too much, and you are ungrateful to your spouses. I have seen none lacking in common sense and failing in religion but (at the same time) robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you.? The woman asked: ?O Messenger of Allaah, what is wrong with our common sense and our religion?? He said: ?Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to that of one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense, and you spend some nights (and days) in which you do not offer prayer and in the month of Ramadan (during the days) you do not observe fast, that is a failing in religion.?

    (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/336)


    More circular logic...  wacko wacko


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    There may be some women who are wiser than some men, but this is not the usual rule and such women are not in the majority. Sharee?ah is based on what is general and most common.

    The fact that women are lacking in reason does not mean that they are crazy, rather their reason is often overtaken by their emotions, and this happens to women more often than it happens to men. No one would deny this except one who is arrogant.


    So, basically, old Mo took the general stereotype of women and made it into 'divine law'.  Huh?

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    3 ? A woman inherits half of what a man inherits. 

    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    ?Allaah commands you as regards your children?s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females?

    [al-Nisa? 4:11]

    Al-Qurtubi said:

    Because Allaah knows better than they do what is in their best interests, He made the division of inheritance based on differentiation, because He knows what is in their best interests.

    Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 5/164

    For example, a man is obliged to spend more than a woman, so it is appropriate that he should have a larger share of inheritance than a woman.

    4 ? Clothing:

    A woman?s ?awrah includes her entire body. The least that can be said is that she should not uncover anything except her face and hands, and it was said that she should not even uncover that.

    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    ?O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful?

    [al-Ahzaab 33:59]

    The ?awrah of a man is the area from the navel to the knees.

    It was said to ?Abd-Allaah ibn Ja?far ibn Abi Taalib, ?Tell us what you heard from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and what you saw of him, and do not tell us about anyone else, even if he was trustworthy.? He said, ?I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ?The area between the navel and the knee is ?awrah.??

    Narrated by al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak (6418); classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami?, 5583.


    There you have it, ladies and gents, us women are just gigantic, quivering masses of pudenda... INCLUDING OUR FACES!  WHAT A F**KING INSULT TO WOMANKIND!

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    Other examples include the following, which is not a comprehensive list.

    There are other differences between the sexes, including the following:

    ?        A man can marry four women, but a woman can only have one husband.

    ?        A man has the right to issue a divorce and it is valid if he does so, but a woman does not have the right to issue a divorce.

    ?        A man may marry a woman from among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), but a Muslim woman may not marry anyone but a Muslim.

    ?        A man may travel without his wife or any of his mahrams, but a woman may not travel unless she is accompanied by a mahram.

    ?        Prayer in the mosque is obligatory for men, but not for women; a woman?s prayer in her house is more beloved to Allaah.

    ?        A woman may wear silk and gold, but a man must not wear them.

    Everything that we have mentioned is based on the difference between men and women, because the male is not like the female. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    ?And the male is not like the female?

    [Aal ?Imraan 3:36]

    The male is different from the female in many ways, in his strength, in his body, in his toughness and roughness, whereas women are soft and gentle.


    Well, I guess 'Sheikh Al-Munajjid has never come across a tomboy or a bull dyke before, has he?

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    And men are different in intellectual terms, for men are known for their strength of understanding and their memory as compared to women. Women are weaker than men in memory and forget more than men do. This is well known, for most of the reputable scholars in the world are men. There are some women who are more intelligent and have better memories than some men, but this does not cancel out the general rule. Most cases are as we have described above.

    With regard to emotions, men speak of them when they get angry or when they are happy, but women are affected by the slightest emotional effects, so their tears flow at the slightest emotional provocation.


    Yet again playing on stereotypes in order to bolster Islams misogynistic tenets. 

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    Jihad is obligatory for men, but jihad in the sense of fighting is not obligatory for women. This is the mercy of Allaah towards them, and consideration for their nature.


    No, it's because the women are to stay inside their homes and squeeze out as many babies as they can!  What kind of f**king mercy is that?! finmad

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    In conclusion we may say that the rulings for men are not like the rulings for women.

    Thirdly:

    Islam regards men and women as equally obliged with regard to many acts of worship and interactions with others. For example, women do wudoo? just as men do, they do ghusl as men do, they pray as men do, and they fast as men do, except when they are menstruating or bleeding following childbirth. Women pay zakaah as men pay zakaah, and they do Hajj as men do, except for a few differences in the rulings. It is permissible and acceptable to buy from a woman, and if a woman gives charity, that is permissible. It is permissible for a woman to set free the slaves that she owns, and there are many other similar cases because women are the twin halves of men, as it says in the hadeeth:

    It was narrated that ?Aa?ishah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about a man who finds some wetness (on his clothes) but did not have an erotic dream, and he said, ?He should do ghusl.? He was asked about a man who had an erotic dream but did not find any wetness, and he said, ?He does not have to do ghusl.? Umm Salamah said, ?O Messenger of Allaah, if a woman sees that, does she have to do ghusl?? He said, ?Yes, for women are the twin halves of men.?

    (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 113; Ahmad, 25663. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi, 98)
     


    Oooh!  That's enough right there to make me go right out and re-revert....NOT!

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    Conclusion:

    Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from Allaah and a sign of His knowledge of His creation, but the arrogant kaafir sees it as oppression and injustice, so he stubbornly insists on claiming that men and women are the same. So let him tell us how a man can carry a foetus and breastfeed it?


    Ahem!  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7728513.stm

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    He stubbornly ignores the weakness of women and how they bleed during their monthly period,...


    How many women have you know who have keeled over and nearly died from having their PERIOD?  Yeah, the cramps can be bad and they can make you queasy but it's not like menstruation makes us invalids for a week every month the way these clowns make it out to be.

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    and he stubbornly beat his head against the rock of reality. But the Muslim is still at peace with his faith, surrendering to the command of Allaah.


    That's because the Muslim has beaten all logic and freethought out of his head on the rock of Shari'a.

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    ?Should not He Who has created know? And He is the Most Kind and Courteous (to His slaves), All‑Aware (of everything)?

    [al-Mulk 67:14 ? interpretation of the meaning]


     And Allaah knows best.

    Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid


    Source: http://www.islamqa.com/en/cat/62/ref/islamqa/1105

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

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  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #1 - January 28, 2010, 09:35 PM

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    Two women are to take the place of one man because women are lacking in reason as Muslim narrated in his Saheeh? from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ?O women, give in charity and seek forgiveness a great deal, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.? A wise woman among them said, ?Why is it, O Messenger of Allaah, that we are the majority of the people of Hell?? He said, ?Because you curse too much, and you are ungrateful to your spouses. I have seen none lacking in common sense and failing in religion but (at the same time) robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you.? The woman asked: ?O Messenger of Allaah, what is wrong with our common sense and our religion?? He said: ?Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to that of one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense, and you spend some nights (and days) in which you do not offer prayer and in the month of Ramadan (during the days) you do not observe fast, that is a failing in religion.?



    So being ungratfeul to your husband is a reason to go to Hell?!?  finmad Does the husband go to Hell if he's ungrateful because there are plenty of ungrateful sons of bitches out there who like to have 4 wives at the same time. Oh wait, thats allowed in the religion of peace and equality..  Roll Eyes

    If you're so devout, how come I am not dead?
  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #2 - January 29, 2010, 10:22 AM

    So being ungratfeul to your husband is a reason to go to Hell?!?  finmad Does the husband go to Hell if he's ungrateful because there are plenty of ungrateful sons of bitches out there who like to have 4 wives at the same time. Oh wait, thats allowed in the religion of peace and equality..  Roll Eyes


    But remember, Islam is not about equality, it's about JUSTICE!   wacko

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    One of the things that people misunderstand is when they say that ?Islam is the religion of equality?. What they should say is that Islam is the religion of justice.

    But if we say justice, which means giving each one that to which he or she is entitled, this misunderstanding no longer applies, and the word used is correct. Hence it does not say in the Qur?aan that Allaah enjoins equality, rather it says (interpretation of the meaning):

     ?Verily, Allaah enjoins Al‑?Adl (i.e. justice)?

    [al-Nahl 16:90]

    ?and that when you judge between men, you judge with justice?

    [al-Nisa? 4:58]

    Those who say that Islam is the religion of equality are lying against Islam. Rather Islam is the religion of justice which means treating equally those who are equal and differentiating between those who are different.



     

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #3 - January 29, 2010, 10:26 AM

    Good point Nour. One more shoe the liberals and moderates have to chew on.
  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #4 - January 29, 2010, 10:51 AM

    eckh... equality talk  wacko how i hate it...



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    et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius,
    ad perpetranda miracula rei unius.
  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #5 - January 29, 2010, 10:53 AM

    i know of very few muslims who would share the views stated by whomever answered the equality question there... most people are more diplomatic about the differences rather than saying straight out that one is better than the other.



    Quod est inferius est sicut quod est superius,
    et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius,
    ad perpetranda miracula rei unius.
  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #6 - January 29, 2010, 12:53 PM

    i know of very few muslims who would share the views stated by whomever answered the equality question there... most people are more diplomatic about the differences rather than saying straight out that one is better than the other.


    Well, this is from a Saudi/Wahhabi-based website so what do you expect?  The frightening thing is that this is the kind of mentality which is being spread across the world thanks to all those darn petrodollars!  Hence the more niqabis you see on the streets these days.  finmad

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

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  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #7 - January 29, 2010, 07:10 PM

    I don't know what is worse, the men who spew these turds or the women who swallow the turds down. There is 1 kind of equality in Islam. Both men and women who believe in this are full of shit.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #8 - January 29, 2010, 10:18 PM

    It's hilarious how they say "Islam considers women as equal but different" Reminds me of "everyone is equal but some are more equal than others"..

    If you're so devout, how come I am not dead?
  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #9 - January 29, 2010, 10:22 PM

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    It's hilarious how they say "Islam considers women as equal but different" Reminds me of "everyone is equal but some are more equal than others"..


    Like George Orwell in Animal Farm



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  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #10 - January 29, 2010, 10:23 PM

    It's hilarious how they say "Islam considers women as equal but different" Reminds me of "everyone is equal but some are more equal than others"..

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  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #11 - January 30, 2010, 12:24 AM

    Separate but equal.

    "In a child's power to master the multiplication table, there is more sanctity than in all your shouted "amens" and "holy holies" and "hosannas." An idea is a greater monument than a cathedral. And the advance of man's knowledge is a greater miracle than all the sticks" - Henry Drummond
  • Re: Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
     Reply #12 - January 30, 2010, 09:47 PM

    The same bullshit they used to keep African Americans subservient. I seriously wonder how dumb they think people are.

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