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  • Evidence for Evolution
     OP - January 29, 2010, 03:54 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTnjx-JRzE

    Another excellent video from Criss  Afro
    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #1 - January 29, 2010, 04:42 PM
    Evolution is a lie invented by communists and homosexuals.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #2 - January 29, 2010, 04:43 PM
    Im in love...


    how do i contact her... i wanna be her slave...








    What?! Dont look at me that way...
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  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #3 - January 29, 2010, 05:00 PM
    Yeah, I leave her creepy stalkerish messages on her profile all the time. But I do it for the lolz, because there is always some other guy who goes like "fuck off, she's mine!". I think she must have a legion of secular/atheistic guys who masturbate to her loyally. LOL
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #4 - January 29, 2010, 05:12 PM

    Why is it only reactionary Christians and Muslims that seem to have a red chilli stuck up their ass about evolution?

    Why don't Buddhists and Hindus, and as far as I know, Jews, not care about it? Is it because they assimilate it into their worldview (I'm talking specifically about Hindus and Buddhists here)

    Reactionary Christians and Muslims seem utterly terrified about evolution - it really hits a raw nerve. Is it their stupid totalising truth claims that evolution threatens? In the Islamic case, the veracity of the perfection claims of Islam? Because it doesn't just challenge their precepts, it kicks them in the balls and hangs them upside down to have custard pies thrown at their face, doesn't it?

    But Buddhists and Hindus seem chill about it all. I suppose those belief systems have an inclusive and welcoming attitude towards evolution because it doesn't seem to disturb their worldview.

    Its rather pathetic to be honest, this bed wetting by Muslims and Christians over it all.

     

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #5 - January 29, 2010, 05:23 PM
    Quote from: billy on January 29, 2010, 05:12 PM
    Why is it only reactionary Christians and Muslims that seem to have a red chilli stuck up their ass about evolution?

    Why don't Buddhists and Hindus, and as far as I know, Jews, not care about it? Is it because they assimilate it into their worldview (I'm talking specifically about Hindus and Buddhists here)

    Reactionary Christians and Muslims seem utterly terrified about evolution - it really hits a raw nerve. Is it their stupid totalising truth claims that evolution threatens? In the Islamic case, the veracity of the perfection claims of Islam? Because it doesn't just challenge their precepts, it kicks them in the balls and hangs them upside down to have custard pies thrown at their face, doesn't it?

    But Buddhists and Hindus seem chill about it all. I suppose those belief systems have an inclusive and welcoming attitude towards evolution because it doesn't seem to disturb their worldview.

    Its rather pathetic to be honest, this bed wetting by Muslims and Christians over it all.



    Well those Muslims and Christians that get worked up over evolution are actually being intellectually consistent. I'm of the firm belief that once you accept evolution as a Christian or Muslim you have effectively killed your religion or at least diminished anything useful or important it has to say. I know there are believing Christians/Muslims who do accept evolution, I was one of them. But I believe they are naive and so loose in their religious beliefs that they might as well just be apostates.

    Bottom line is the core of Christianity and Islam involve dogmatic and literal claims about the nature and purpose of the universe and of human life. Claims which that directly contradict the basic idea behind evolution. And its not just Evolution, but also Heliocentricism and Cosmology that strike at the core of this dogma. Hence why the Catholic church was so opposed to Galileo stating something as simple as the earth revolves around the sun. The core of Islam/Christianity is that God has a plan for the human species and we are special. If you accept evolution, you accept humans as mere animals, you accept that we are just a branch on the tree of life and this is against the very foundation of Christianity and Islam.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #6 - January 29, 2010, 05:26 PM
    Quote from: billy on January 29, 2010, 05:12 PM
    Why is it only reactionary Christians and Muslims that seem to have a red chilli stuck up their ass about evolution?

    Why don't Buddhists and Hindus, and as far as I know, Jews, not care about it? Is it because they assimilate it into their worldview (I'm talking specifically about Hindus and Buddhists here)



    Ive noticed that too.  I have a sikh friend who tells me its because theyre beliefs dont really come into the same umbrella of religion as defined by the abrahmic faiths.  

    Its something that is there to provide help & guidance through life, not instruction.  Its not meant to come at odds with anybody or anything, they are there as a comfort blanket.  As these religions dont come with a concept of heaven & hell, there is no sense of urgency or need for scare tactics.

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  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #7 - January 29, 2010, 06:09 PM

    It doesn't seem to be a bone of contention amongst Jews either, because there isn't a sense of totalising mission amongst Jews.

    There is room for doubt about the mechanics of science - and in the Indian and Asian religions this seems to be the case too, but it relates to a basic, fundamental difference in how they think about the world. Unlike Christianity and Islam, they don't make absolute truth claims, and they don't seek ultimate solutions. Hence they seem able to accomodate science slightly better. The Eastern religion view science as part of the mystery of God or belief and that it is part of the uncovering of God to discover his science and mechanics. To discover science is to discover God.

    The truth-claiming total-explanation-for-everything religions of Christianity and Islam are petrified of anything that contradicts their self enclosed explanation of the universe in line with their literalist 'truths'
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #8 - January 29, 2010, 06:14 PM
    Quote from: billy on January 29, 2010, 06:09 PM
    It doesn't seem to be a bone of contention amongst Jews either, because there isn't a sense of totalising mission amongst Jews. There is room for doubt about the mechanics of science - and in the Indian and Asian religions this seems to be the case too, but it relates to a basic, fundamental difference in how they think about the world. Unlike Christianity and Islam, they don't make absolute truth claims, and they don't seek ultimate solutions. Hence they seem able to accomodate science slightly better. The Eastern religion view science as part of the mystery of God or belief and that it is part of the uncovering of God to discover his science and mechanics. The truth claiming totalising religions of Christianity and Islam are petrified of anything that contradicts their self enclosed explanation of the universe in line with their literalist 'truths'


    I don't really think that a religion like Hinduism necessarily "accomodates" science better. Hinduism is rife with superstition and nonsensical beliefs. India is filled with soothsayers and fraudulent god-men who take advantage of people. Its more to do with the concept of a "revealed" religion with a very strict and coherent dogma that makes literal claims about the our place in the world. Hinduism and Judaism are pretty irrational and crazy religions if you've ever come across real beleivers, but they are so old they have transitioned into being sort of "cultural traditions" and ethic idenities instead of a source of empirical beliefs hence why they don't make a big fuss about science contradicting their claims.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #9 - January 29, 2010, 06:17 PM

    That longevity is a strength and that is why they can accomodate science. I was wondering, why don't you ever see Buddhists or Hindus making a hue and cry about evolution, or trying to compete with science? That clash isn't there, the essence of them doesn't seem threatened by evolution or scientific inquiry.





    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #10 - January 29, 2010, 06:21 PM
    I never said they had an issue with Evolution. It's just not having an issue with evolution doesn't necessarily mean you are accomodating of science.

    Never forget that it was medieval Muslims and modern Christians who pretty much founded and expanded all the branches of sciences. Including evolution.

    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #11 - January 29, 2010, 06:57 PM
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    I never said they had an issue with Evolution


    I know - but that is what I was talking about.

    Quote
    It's just not having an issue with evolution doesn't necessarily mean you are accomodating of science.


    Nor does it mean that they are not accomodating of science. The notion that scientific enquiry which challenges the total-explanation-of-everything domain of a religion does not seem to be there outside of the two faiths of Christianity and Islam. Of these two, one has been defanged and watches on as a secular space flourishes in what was formally considered to be its territory, and the other kind of sees what has happened to Christianity with trepidation, and rages against the light even more because of it.

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    Never forget that it was medieval Muslims and modern Christians who pretty much founded and expanded all the branches of sciences. Including evolution.


    Well, science often flourished in opposition to and rejection of Christianity and Islam, the process of discovery was contiguous with and in tension with religion. And scientific discoveries were made at various points in the civilisational cycles of Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian and other eastern belief systems.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #12 - January 29, 2010, 07:43 PM
    I think today's pious muslims will say study Evolution but don't believe in it.
  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #13 - January 31, 2010, 06:07 PM
  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #14 - January 31, 2010, 06:09 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on January 29, 2010, 07:43 PM
    I think today's pious muslims will say study Evolution but don't admit that they believe in it.

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  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #15 - January 31, 2010, 06:15 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on January 31, 2010, 06:07 PM
    (Clicky for piccy!)

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  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #16 - January 31, 2010, 06:29 PM
    Itza mudskipper (or that is one name for them). It is roughly analogous to Tiktaalik.  parrot
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  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #17 - January 31, 2010, 06:59 PM
    lol Islame

    you really think so? So Abu Yunus does believe in it? But denies it.. out of pride maybe Cheesy haha

    great video from her, can somebody say yes we would like a video on big bang as well
  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #18 - January 31, 2010, 07:04 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on January 31, 2010, 06:29 PM
    Itza mudskipper (or that is one name for them). It is roughly analogous to Tiktaalik.  parrot


    Yupp, this one is a Japanese mudskipper. They brood their eggs on land but submerge them for hatching.

    http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content/abstract/210/22/3946

    It's crazy, how do they breath on land though? They don't have lungs, so they have developed another means of breathing air. Crazy stuff...

    Kind of like the flying fish:




    And the gobie, rock climbing fish of Hawaii:

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #19 - January 31, 2010, 07:14 PM
    Quote from: DigDeep on January 29, 2010, 04:43 PM
    Im in love...


    how do i contact her... i wanna be her slave...








    What?! Dont look at me that way...


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  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #20 - January 31, 2010, 07:15 PM
    Quote from: DigDeep on January 29, 2010, 04:43 PM
    Im in love...


    how do i contact her... i wanna be her slave...








    What?! Dont look at me that way...


    lol You sound like one of the dudes commenting on her videos:

    Quote

    What's this about being unemployed?
    Someone with your obvious intellectual acumen should find work in a heart beat.

    Anyway your evolution video was excellent(10minutes of kickass magic).
    I'm sure someone like Richard Dawkins might help;unless of course you wish to stay in Romania.
    And as for your command of English that's also astonishing.
    Some students somewhere are going to be lucky enough to be taught by you

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #21 - January 31, 2010, 07:24 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on January 31, 2010, 06:59 PM
    lol Islame

    you really think so? So Abu Yunus does believe in it?

    Cant speak on behalf of Abu Yunus but he claims that being a theist has nothing at all to do with being a creationist. But its interesting how they prepare the ground for creation apostacy, by asking themselves if its ok within Islam first   Shocked

    Muslim "Allah, as a muslim am I allowed open use of my brain to determine if evolution is correct"
    Allah "       "
    Muslim "?"
    Allah "       "
    Muslim "I am open minded but not convinced, but wont stand in the way of my children learning about it"  whistling2
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  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #22 - January 31, 2010, 07:30 PM
     Cheesy
  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #23 - January 31, 2010, 07:34 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 31, 2010, 07:24 PM
    Cant speak on behalf of Abu Yunus but he claims that being a theist has nothing at all to do with being a creationist. But its interesting how they prepare the ground for creation apostacy, by asking themselves if its ok within Islam first   Shocked

    Muslim "Allah, as a muslim am I allowed open use of my brain to determine if evolution is correct"
    Allah "       "
    Muslim "?"
    Allah "       "
    Muslim "I am open minded but not convinced, but wont stand in the way of my children learning about it"  whistling2


    lol the thing is that the quran says "Be" and it is, there is no need for design or evolution, it just is. otherwise God would have to figure out whats the best way this creature will survive in this environment... which is all fine and dandy, but then how come so many species go extinct? was this bad design? did the animals not survive against the environment? or did God simply wipe them out, for no good reason or for reasons we can't comprehend

    its not easy comprehending the reasoning of a being we're not sure exists...
  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #24 - January 31, 2010, 07:36 PM
    I mean just look at how many animals went extinct this century alone:

    http://dodosgone.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #25 - January 31, 2010, 08:57 PM
    The evidence is really clear, but as you know these people will only see what they choose to see and not as it is.

    I wasn't sure about evolution before becomming an atheist, but i had a reason for that. The reason was that I never looked into the theory of it before, so I couldn't make a fair judgement on it. Learning about evolution was part of my road to throwing islam out the window.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #26 - January 31, 2010, 09:12 PM
    Quote from: stardust on January 31, 2010, 08:57 PM
    The evidence is really clear, but as you know these people will only see what they choose to see and not as it is.


    They have no real choice though. A sincere believer in Christianity or Islam must reject evolution. I respect creationists for their honesty and consistency of beliefs. Lets not kid ourselves, people who believe in Evolution and claim to be Christians and Muslims are almost always half-way towards atheism or have extremely non-religious attitudes to begin with.

    For me, accepting (moreso reluctantly admitting) the reality of Evolution had a huge impact on how I treat my religion. It automatically forced me to constantly take the 'metaphorical' line various Quranic aspects. This dilutes religion and confused me because I realised Islam was *not* meant to be taken metaphorically. Adam and Eve are to be treated as real, so why am I pretending it's symbolic just to satisfy my scientific mind?

    Accepting evolution is really an intellectual slippery slope towards atheistic thinking. This is exactly why so many Christians and Muslims are so stubbornly resistant against this theory, it relegates their religion to total irrelevance if it becomes widely accepted.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #27 - February 01, 2010, 08:34 PM
    I didn't watch the whole video so I don't know if she gave any example of natural selection in humans. Here's one example that I have come across.
    Sickle cell anemia is a blood disorder where the red blood cells have a sickle shape which are easily destroyed compared to normal blood cells which are bit more resistnat to destruction. This disorder is most commonly seen among Africans and people of African descent (african americans). This particular type of blood disorder gives a good resistance to malaria and since malaria is endemic in Africa, this blood disorder gave an advantage to those who had sickled shaped red blood cells and they were able to live long enough to reproduce, unlike thousands of others who died in childhood since there were no medications to fight malaria before the discovery of antimalarial drugs.
    If you're so devout, how come I am not dead?
  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #28 - February 01, 2010, 08:49 PM
    I have a question. Evolution tells me life started as a simple bacterial form and then continued to grow more and more complex. Were did that bacteria come from? you can mix stuff with bacteria to create many things, but you can't create bacteria alone. Or am i wrong?
  • Re: Evidence for Evolution
     Reply #29 - February 01, 2010, 08:54 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on January 31, 2010, 09:12 PM
    They have no real choice though. A sincere believer in Christianity or Islam must reject evolution. I respect creationists for their honesty and consistency of beliefs. Lets not kid ourselves, people who believe in Evolution and claim to be Christians and Muslims are almost always half-way towards atheism or have extremely non-religious attitudes to begin with.

    For me, accepting (moreso reluctantly admitting) the reality of Evolution had a huge impact on how I treat my religion. It automatically forced me to constantly take the 'metaphorical' line various Quranic aspects. This dilutes religion and confused me because I realised Islam was *not* meant to be taken metaphorically. Adam and Eve are to be treated as real, so why am I pretending it's symbolic just to satisfy my scientific mind?

    Accepting evolution is really an intellectual slippery slope towards atheistic thinking. This is exactly why so many Christians and Muslims are so stubbornly resistant against this theory, it relegates their religion to total irrelevance if it becomes widely accepted.


    Yes, that's what I ment, I meant them choosing to see it the way they want, that is the way they can still follow their religion and not seeing it as it is. I see why you'd say that you have respect for people consistent in their beliefs, however I respect people who are open minded enough to see evolution is correct and admit it. At least these people, although trying to make excuses for their religion, signify the change that is occuring, they are braving to admit to what they think themselves and not stick to what they've been told.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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