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Topic: The Kalam/Cosmological Argument for God.

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Re: The Kalam/Cosmological Argument for God.
Reply #60 - February 13, 2010, 08:50 PM

yeah, I know.. I had the pleasure of discussing with one of them on a different site.. he believes the universe is infinite and beginingless, thus it's a causeless cause and applying Occam's razor precludes the need to unncessarily dream up an infinite beginningless God since we have no evidence for such a God while we are already in touch with the universe...

A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
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Re: The Kalam/Cosmological Argument for God.
Reply #61 - February 17, 2010, 09:27 PM

Quote from: Tlaloc on February 13, 2010, 07:51 PM
first, you are mixing up the concept of "limit" with the concept of "infinity"
second, you are arbitrarily assuming that space is "linear" (i.e. you are assuming that if you keep moving in the same direction you will never reach the spot you started from)
third, you are assuming that space is not expanding faster than anything could possibly move

Of course, I am not considering the pragmatic view of the universe. The thought experiment was to show that a theoretical, a priori view of a limited universe is absurd. Whether, this means that the universe is linear, non-linear or expanding is an open question that comes after the initial theoretical point.

As it is, the current cosmological model of the universe does posit a linear, infinite universe.

At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
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