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  • Question: It's in the title ;P
  • Only Islamic schools should be closed down - 2 (6.9%)
  • All religious schools should be closed down - 24 (82.8%)
  • No religious schools should be closed down - 3 (10.3%)
  • Total Voters: 29

 Topic: Should religious schools be closed down?

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  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #30 - February 17, 2010, 11:32 PM

    China?

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #31 - February 17, 2010, 11:33 PM

    Fuck China.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #32 - February 17, 2010, 11:34 PM

    Maybe I'm a bit hardline in my views, but I am firmly in the "religious schools are outdated and divisive" camp, especially when it comes to islamic schools.

    I just feel that dividing children based on religion is wrong, and a childs early years are the most influential in it's life, I see it as better to have exposure to children from all walks of life, then to only know people of your same religion in order to better grow into a person who appreciates all flavours of humanity.

    If it was possible, I would have them all closed down, and all schools as purely secular places for children to learn in.  I do believe in religious education as part of lessons involving learning about the world and it's history, but not teaching children their religion, when it's not their religion yet, just something you and the parents have chosen for them.

    I think even more that islamic schools are more insular than others, and with the particular combination of learning arabic, and the quran, you have a growing number of the new generation who are more inclined to view the world in a kaffir vs us mentality.

    Where do you stand and why?


    I agree with you Berbs.

    I don't have any horror stories to tell of the 15 years I was a teacher in an Islamic School, but it simply reinforces religious brainwashing from an early age.

    I am usually reluctant to talk much about this topic because I have a great deal of respect for many of my former colleagues, the families & children - and I don't blame them, it's not their fault - they are under the spell of religion.

    But yes, I am against religious schools - even from a perspective of choice, because in reality it gives children no choice!
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #33 - February 17, 2010, 11:39 PM

     One of my friends pointed out that if a family told their children that there was a monster outside of the house that would eat them if they took one step outside, who could watch their every move and know if they even thought of escaping and punish them indirectly though bad things that happened then we would almost all agree that that is child abuse, but just about the same thing is said about God and it is all ok.  

    If children were brought up focusing on objective fact and verifiable evidence and then left up to themselves to join a religion at an age when they could weigh the evidence then the world would be a better place.  

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #34 - February 17, 2010, 11:49 PM

    Really Q? it's only the healthcare system?


    No, but materially, that seems like the biggest one.
     
    Quote
    Wouldn't it be awesome to live in a country where gay marriage is legal


    Yeah, and it would be awesome to get a blowjob from Megan Fox, but if a cute chick I meet at a bar wants to do it, I'll be happy with it.

    Quote
    as opposed to a country where it was popularly rejected in every single state that has had a referendum on it ?


    Uh-huh-- and what country has it been approved by popular referendum? The beauty of a federal system, however, is that if you don't like the laws in your state on a particular issue, you can move to another state.

    If I were gay and wanted to get married (Ha! If I turned gay tomorrow I'd be heading to the local gay club and seeing how many BJs I could get in one night), but still wanted to own my AK and also wanted to be able to pack heat concealed without a license, it's simple-- I move to Vermont.

    If I wanted my guns but didn't care about gay marriage, but wanted to live in a state where there was a just-cause (as opposed to "at-will") standard for employment termination without a union contract, then I'd move to Montana. If I hate guns and want gay marriage, I'll move to Mass. or Connecticut. If I want to be a psycho right-wing Christian, I'll move to South Carolina.

    Quote
    That's just one example. I'm sure I can think of many more things.


    Oh, I'm sure you can. And living here and being very critical of my own country, I'm certain I could think of even more than you. But I still can't think of a place I'd rather live, at least on a permanent basis. That's not to say I'd never move out of the country permanently-- I could see that happening (Mexico comes to mind, love the culture there)-- but I do think it's pretty cool here.

    Keep in mind my take on this differs depending on who I'm talking to. I'm considerably more critical of my country when talking to my own countrymen  Wink

    fuck you
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #35 - February 17, 2010, 11:53 PM

    (Ha! If I turned gay tomorrow I'd be heading to the local gay club and seeing how many BJs I could get in one night),


    And done.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #36 - February 18, 2010, 12:16 AM

    America is better than every other country on earth. Period.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-Life_Index#The_Economist_Intelligence_Unit.E2.80.99s_quality-of-life_index.2C_2005 (check map)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_International#Privacy_index
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index (check map)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_around_the_world (check map)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_around_the_world#North_America
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_index (check map)
    http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninsured_in_the_United_States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failed_state#Failed_States_List (check map)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

    And since this is a an Ex-Muslim forum, I included these statistics about religion:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_by_country (check map)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gallup_Religiosity_Index_2009.png
    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Atheists_Agnostics_Zuckerman_en.svg
    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Religious_importance.png
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation%E2%80%93evolution_controversy#Outside_the_United_States (check graph)


    Canada no so bad now, eh?  Wink
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #37 - February 18, 2010, 12:43 AM

    No, but materially, that seems like the biggest one.

    I would also include these two:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_index (you always talk about disparities of wealth so this must be a big deal for you)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate (along with the disproportionate incarceration of Blacks and Hispanics)

    Yeah, and it would be awesome to get a blowjob from Megan Fox, but if a cute chick I meet at a bar wants to do it, I'll be happy with it.

    I would rather get a BJ from Scarlett Jo   Roll Eyes

    Uh-huh-- and what country has it been approved by popular referendum? The beauty of a federal system, however, is that if you don't like the laws in your state on a particular issue, you can move to another state.

    If I were gay and wanted to get married (Ha! If I turned gay tomorrow I'd be heading to the local gay club and seeing how many BJs I could get in one night), but still wanted to own my AK and also wanted to be able to pack heat concealed without a license, it's simple-- I move to Vermont.

    If I wanted my guns but didn't care about gay marriage, but wanted to live in a state where there was a just-cause (as opposed to "at-will") standard for employment termination without a union contract, then I'd move to Montana. If I hate guns and want gay marriage, I'll move to Mass. or Connecticut. If I want to be a psycho right-wing Christian, I'll move to South Carolina.

    What if you're gay and wanted to serve in the military? or if you're a gay American in love with a Latvian gentleman and wanted to get him a green card just like any straight American can get a green card for his partner?
    I don't think there is a state for that !
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #38 - February 18, 2010, 01:34 AM

    Quick response IA, then I gotta screw from this place for a few days, gettin busy again--

    1. Yeah incarceration rate/Drug War is another HUGE one, and I'm actually a little embarrassed you had to remind me.

    2. Megan Fox > Scarlett Jo

    3. Obama's fixin to change the gays in the military thing (presuming the fucker follows through on his promises, which is a pretty big fuckin presumption I'll grant ya).

    4. Same thing most non-professionals from non-Western Third World nations do. You pay a woman to marry said Latvian and then pay a bunch of money to an immigration lawyer. Or, for a shorter (but riskier) route, Latvian guy comes over on a tourist visa, then pays someone for false documents under a different name or even more money for a "genuine fake". Legal? No. Doable? Sure.

    Look, I know the US has some serious faults. If you were to judge freedom based solely on incarceration rate (which, if you were to pick only one criterion, that ain't a bad one), the US would have to be considered less free than the Soviet Union or the PRC. But when it comes to the fundamental structure of government and social distrust of the state, the US has it all over Europe. Sure, Europe has it all over the US in many other important areas, so, really I can't say the US is better than the UK or elsewhere in Europe, objectively speaking (let's keep that between you and me), but personally I think it's better.

    But why don't we end this particular discussion, as the whole point is that I'm an obnoxious American who likes busting the balls of the limeys and kangaroo-humpers here (oh, and a kraut, a few Canuckistanis, and some people from other inferior countries). Don't ruin my fun, IA.

    fuck you
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #39 - February 18, 2010, 02:01 AM

    Totally close down all religious schools immediately.

    If you wanted your kids to learn about invisible menaces you'd send them to a cinema to watch Ghostbusters, if you want your kids to learn bullshit (sorry, Religion) send them to Sunday or Saturday school.

    I don't even have anything else to say on the topic, nothing anyone could say would change my mind either-no way in hell would I see myself sending a kid to a religious school.

    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #40 - February 18, 2010, 02:15 AM

    But when it comes to the fundamental structure of government and social distrust of the state, the US has it all over Europe.

    Agreed. I've always liked the "social distrust of the state" in America. However, their distrust doesn't always lead them to react in a good way. One example is electing Scott Brown.


    Sure, Europe has it all over the US in many other important areas, so, really I can't say the US is better than the UK or elsewhere in Europe, objectively speaking (let's keep that between you and me), but personally I think it's better.

    I can't say which one is better either but it irritates me when people say "the US is the best". Not it isn't. Scandinavia rules  Afro


    But why don't we end this particular discussion, as the whole point is that I'm an obnoxious American who likes busting the balls of the limeys and kangaroo-humpers here (oh, and a kraut, a few Canuckistanis, and some people from other inferior countries). Don't ruin my fun, IA.

    I'll end it as soon as Iblis responds  whistling2
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #41 - February 18, 2010, 05:43 AM

    Canada no so bad now, eh?  Wink


    Hellz Yea baby! I love my country! 2 GOLDS whaaaaaaaaaaat  Afro Afro Afro Afro Afro

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #42 - February 18, 2010, 06:14 AM

    I support closing faith schools down completely. Kids need to grow up in diverse schools, if they grow up with their own kind then they're not going to be exposed to other cultures until they come out of school at 18.

    The way it should be is a Jewish boy should sit next to a Muslim girl who should sit next to a Christian boy or an atheist boy. I just don't like faith schools at all. Intolerance comes from a lack of education, and an education comes from being exposed to other faiths and cultures and people. Faith schools just give people a reason to lean against their religion and use it as a way of refusing to integrate or embrace diversity.

    In fact, if it were up to me, I'd think teaching children "Tolerance" in school would be great. Sure beats not teaching them tolerance as a kid and just punishing them when they're an adult. Kids will learn what they are told to learn because they absorb that, and that's why I think Tolerance would be a good thing to teach kids i.e. the importance of diversity, understanding different people and cultures. Imagine what the youth would be like if they came out of six years of school having learned those things rather than how good their God is.
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #43 - February 18, 2010, 08:37 AM

    I support closing faith schools down completely. Kids need to grow up in diverse schools, if they grow up with their own kind then they're not going to be exposed to other cultures until they come out of school at 18.



    Well I used to go to a Catholic church school and we had people from different religions as well.  I don't recall there being any problems from either side.  The people were exempted from attending religious class (most even stayed for them) and going to mass and that was it.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #44 - February 18, 2010, 10:04 AM

    There shouldn't be any religious schools. They should make Religious Studies an Elective in high school, that's the closest thing to religion the education system should have in every secular country.
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #45 - February 18, 2010, 10:42 AM

    America is better than every other country on earth. Period.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-Life_Index#The_Economist_Intelligence_Unit.E2.80.99s_quality-of-life_index.2C_2005 (check map)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_International#Privacy_index
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index (check map)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_around_the_world (check map)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_around_the_world#North_America
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_index (check map)
    http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninsured_in_the_United_States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failed_state#Failed_States_List (check map)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

    And since this is a an Ex-Muslim forum, I included these statistics about religion:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_by_country (check map)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gallup_Religiosity_Index_2009.png
    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Atheists_Agnostics_Zuckerman_en.svg
    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Religious_importance.png
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation%E2%80%93evolution_controversy#Outside_the_United_States (check graph)


    Canada no so bad now, eh?  Wink

    I spent too much time and effort on this post to let you ignore it Iblis  Smiley so please could you tell me why do you think the US is the best country in the world when Canada outranks it in every single one of the statistics above?
    I chose Canada because you're a Canuck. I could've said Norway or Sweden.


  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #46 - February 18, 2010, 11:01 AM

    I chose Canada because you're a Canuck. I could've said Norway or Sweden.

    IA - so what have you got against the UK?

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  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #47 - February 18, 2010, 11:06 AM

    ...why do you think the US is the best country in the world...

    If you look closely at HDI, QoL and DI stats you will see that the differences between top 30 countries or so on the list are actually quite small.

    As far as I am concerned US win hands down for a simple reason: a gun loving former swimsuit model nearly became a vice president.










    I think that she has a potential to be a fantastic Secretary of State:





  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #48 - February 18, 2010, 11:45 AM

    IA - so what have you got against the UK?

    How do you mean?
    If you're asking why I didn't compare the US to the UK, it's because there's no clear winner in that one. On the other hand, the average Canadian or Dane has go it better that the average American, that's what all these rankings tell us.


    Oh and Kenan the first couple of photos are not real. Jon Stewart pointed out that they were photoshoped.
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #49 - February 18, 2010, 12:14 PM

    On the other hand, the average Canadian or Dane has go it better that the average American, that's what all these rankings tell us.

    True. But the question is whether the difference is significant. Mostly it's not in fact its negligible.

    Oh and Kenan the first couple of photos are not real. Jon Stewart pointed out that they were photoshoped.

    Lies! He is just jealous because she is way hotter than him. And I have an "artistic" video of hers to prove it!
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #50 - February 18, 2010, 12:22 PM

    For those who might be interested I wrote a chapter in my blog all about Islamia School.

    http://abooali.wordpress.com/islamia-school/

  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #51 - February 18, 2010, 12:25 PM

    How do you mean?

    Just guaging your thoughts on the UK now that you have moved here

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  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #52 - February 18, 2010, 12:27 PM

    Here is the opening words for those too lazy (like me) to read loads of boring words LOL  grin12

    ----------------------------------------

    “Hadrabak ya walad!” yelled Teacher Rafiqa, the large Egyptian lady seated in front of a class of five-year-olds. The words meant “I will hit you, child!”  They were directed at a boy climbing over the back of another child. The boy knew she meant it and got down. The class sat still and quiet while Teacher Rafiqa was in the room. Even the naughtiest child dared not misbehave in her class. She was teaching them Arabic, and “Hadrabak!” was a phrase the children picked up quickly. She continued chanting Arabic words, slapping her thigh with each syllable as she did.

    “Battatun.” (Duck).

    “Battatun,” chanted the children.

    “Tufahatun.” (Apple).

    “Tufahatun,” chanted the children.

    When the lesson finished Teacher Rafiqa collected her sheets and marched out, leaving Teacher Kulsum, the regular class teacher, to take over. The children had been sitting still for a long time and were fidgety. So she got them all to have a stretch and played a quick game of Ahmad Says, which is like Simon Says – but it’s Ahmad who’s saying it, not Simon. Then she sang a nursery rhyme to the tune of “Boys and Girls come out to play;” everyone joined in.

    Boys and Girls its time to pray

    Azaan is called five times a day

    Stop your playing and leave your sleep

    Ignore the noises in the street

    Pack up your toys and leave your games

    Remember Allah most glorious of names

    Come in a hurry come clean and smart

    Speak to your maker and open your heart

    Praise and thank Him all day long

    And say you’re sorry if you’ve done wrong

    He’ll forgive you all and give you the power

    To think and do good each second and hour.
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #53 - February 18, 2010, 12:32 PM

    True. But the question is whether the difference is significant. Mostly it's not in fact its negligible.

    Negligible? to us maybe but not to the thousands of families who remortgage their homes or go bankrupt because they couldn't afford their medical bills; not to the gay person who's trying to get his partner a visa to the States; not to the millions of worker who struggle to get 2 weeks off a year; and certainly not to the huge number of people incarcerated for long sentences for minor offences like smoking a joint.
    So it's not just numbers, it's people lives.
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #54 - February 18, 2010, 12:35 PM

    The children had been sitting still for a long time and were fidgety. So she got them all to have a stretch and played a quick game of Ahmad Says, which is like Simon Says – but it’s Ahmad who’s saying it, not Simon. Then she sang a nursery rhyme to the tune of “Boys and Girls come out to play;” everyone joined in.

    Boys and Girls its time to pray

    Azaan is called five times a day

    Stop your playing and leave your sleep

    Ignore the noises in the street

    Pack up your toys and leave your games

    Remember Allah most glorious of names
    .


    I wish you would go out and try harder to get this book published..

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  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #55 - February 18, 2010, 12:48 PM

    For those who might be interested I wrote a chapter in my blog all about Islamia School.
    http://abooali.wordpress.com/islamia-school/

    Thanks! I actually went through your blog in detail before I even joined this place.

    So it's not just numbers, it's people lives.

    I do realize that however I was under the impression that we were discussing averages not specific cases. Do you think that it's impossible for a person in UK to get bankrupt and lose his/her home? Or anywhere else for that matter?

    I know a girl from Arizona who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis just over a month ago. She told me that she will have to be on medications for the rest of her life and that the medicines she needs are the latest top notch stuff, way over her price range. But nevertheless she still got the medicines for free: "The medication for my disease is WAY the hell out of price-range, so the company gives it to me for free, I simply promote their name." I didn't want to bother her more with it because she has trouble typing atm, but I will enquire further.

  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #56 - February 18, 2010, 01:28 PM

    Dammit! Okay, one more post before I head out.

    Agreed. I've always liked the "social distrust of the state" in America. However, their distrust doesn't always lead them to react in a good way. One example is electing Scott Brown.


    Scott Brown's not so bad. And the candidate he was running against sucked. Here, read this:

    http://blog.aflcio.org/2010/01/22/hey-democrats-remember-us/

    Quote
    I can't say which one is better either but it irritates me when people say "the US is the best". Not it isn't. Scandinavia rules  Afro


    Other than the gun laws, yeah, I'd say Scandanavia, objectively speaking, is pretty awesome. Wouldn't mind living there, but I think I'd still prefer it here. Scandanavia's a little "too civilized" for my tastes, if you know what I mean? I need the rough edges of life to thrive. I'd probably become wicked neurotic living in a place like that. Then again, most people aren't like me-- I'm a little bit nuts.

    Negligible? to us maybe but not to the thousands of families who remortgage their homes or go bankrupt because they couldn't afford their medical bills; not to the gay person who's trying to get his partner a visa to the States; not to the millions of worker who struggle to get 2 weeks off a year; and certainly not to the huge number of people incarcerated for long sentences for minor offences like smoking a joint.
    So it's not just numbers, it's people lives.


    +1  Afro

    The medical issue and incarceration issue alone is a huge problem. That a "free country" like the US imprisons more of its own people than the PRC is a huge fuckin concern.

    I know a girl from Arizona who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis just over a month ago. She told me that she will have to be on medications for the rest of her life and that the medicines she needs are the latest top notch stuff, way over her price range. But nevertheless she still got the medicines for free: "The medication for my disease is WAY the hell out of price-range, so the company gives it to me for free, I simply promote their name." I didn't want to bother her more with it because she has trouble typing atm, but I will enquire further.


    Yes, some people can get their drugs from the drug companies free. Many others can't. There's a not insignificant number of people smuggling (legal) drugs from Canada for their personal use.

    And it's not just drug prices. I don't know if this is still the case, but before the current recession, medical bills were the Number 1 cause of personal bankruptcies in the US. That ought to tell you something. And there are many states where your medical creditors/bill collection agencies can take you to court and have your wages garnished for unpaid medical bills (even if it was for life-saving treatment). Plus they've changed the personal bankruptcy laws to make it harder for the working stiff to clear his debts. Millions are uninsured in this country, millions more underinsured, because they can't afford the premiums. Medicare for retired folks has huge holes in it, especially when it comes to prescriptions, and Medicaid (and other such programs) is very difficult to get, especially if you are recently unemployed or a member of the "working poor"-- it's actually an incentive for people to engage in welfare and disability fraud, because if you can get on TANF or SSI (difficult in and of itself, especially for single males) then you can get Medicaid. If you just work at some shit job where you barely make enough money to cover your rent, you can't get it.

    The system's fuckin broken, Kenan. And the politicians (and many labor unions) don't have the balls or the principles to do anything about it-- that goes for most things, actually.


    fuck you
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #57 - February 18, 2010, 01:32 PM

    Yes Kenan people in the UK do go bankrupt but not because they have cancer and don't have health insurance.

    I'm happy to hear things have worked for the girl in Arizona but I don't think anecdotes are a good indicator of how good the US healthcare system is. 46 millions are uninsured including 8 million children and it's not just because they are poor. Some might have a pre-existing condition. Another good indicator is the WHO Ranking (37th).

    I am not saying the US is a bad country to live in. On the contrary, it still has the highest GDP per capita and median income. It has the best universities and has more scientists and Nobel laureates than any other country. It has a rich culture that is influencing our world more than any other country. The US constitution is probably the greatest legal document ever written. The US in other words has the it factor and if you have enough money you can get the best in everything. If I could visit only one country I would without any hesitation chose the US.
    Here is what I said in another topic:
    The United States is, without a doubt, the greatest cultural force in the world today and arguably of the whole twentieth century. It is also the greatest economic, political, scientific and military power.

    If we hypothetically assumed that all the countries of the world had equal populations and there was some sort of an apocalyptic event and I had the ability to save only one country, I would, in a heartbeat, chose America.

    But to say the average American has got it better than everybody else is just not true.



    Just guaging your thoughts on the UK now that you have moved here

    Bit busy ATM will reply later today
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #58 - February 18, 2010, 01:43 PM

    Brown's not so bad. And the candidate he was running against sucked. Here, read this:

    http://blog.aflcio.org/2010/01/22/hey-democrats-remember-us/

    Thanks for the article man. I thought it was a reactionary lazy-man revolt against the banks bailouts. I was shocked when I heard the news. It's fucking Massachusetts after all. Which is where I wanna settle if I ever moved to the States. Cambridge to be specific !


    Other than the gun laws, yeah, I'd say Scandanavia, objectively speaking, is pretty awesome. Wouldn't mind living there, but I think I'd still prefer it here. Scandanavia's a little "too civilized" for my tastes, if you know what I mean? I need the rough edges of life to thrive. I'd probably become wicked neurotic living in a place like that. Then again, most people aren't like me-- I'm a little bit nuts.

    I totally get what you mean.


    And Kenan if you're into anecdotes, please do watch this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM8kDZd4Q-c&feature=fvw
  • Re: Should religious schools be closed down?
     Reply #59 - February 18, 2010, 01:51 PM

    Other than the gun laws, yeah, I'd say Scandanavia, objectively speaking, is pretty awesome. Wouldn't mind living there, but I think I'd still prefer it here. Scandanavia's a little "too civilized" for my tastes, if you know what I mean? I need the rough edges of life to thrive. I'd probably become wicked neurotic living in a place like that. Then again, most people aren't like me-- I'm a little bit nuts.

    I like the sound of Scandinavia too, but I wonder if Scandinavia is popular because no-one has ever been there and know what its really like Wink.  I agree about its 'perturbing' level of civilisation, I wonder if that is what is responsible for its high suicide rates?

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