It is funny how most of you jumped on one point out of many I made because I did not know any better. Did any of you talk about Muslims stoning women? I did not mention the crowds of Muslims proclaiming that Islam is going to rule the world, or threatening that more terrorist attacks will befall upon those who insult the prophet. The point was that the visible face of the ummah to the non Muslims is ugly. Did any of disagree with this point I made?
Do you deny that Muslims are taught to hate the west or the western culture or the polytheists or the Jews? Did any of you try refuting what I said about the mullahs?
I totally agree with you. I think you are confusing me with a muslims lover. I left that bogus religion remember. Take a look at my signature if you think I dont have a major problem with Islam.
How come I rarely, if ever, have denounced COEM?
I dont know. Perhaps because there's is little to denounce, as we are not very contentious and we are working towards the same cause. We certainly are not doing any harm according to you, but hope you can see why we believe your stance to some could be perceived as going in reverse.
Balance is a matter of opinions and there are many who have different opinions than yours. I have tried to understand the ex-Muslims by putting myself in their shoes. Have you tried to understand me by looking at the Muslims through my eyes? You people object when someone calls Muslim women Ninjas because you see your mothers and sisters. What do we see? We see Muslims calling our mothers and sisters whores. And you call us extremists? If you can't stop your brothers and friends from behaving like pigs, you shouldn't blame us for treating them for what they are.
You talk as if I come here to redeem FFI in your eyes; you are mistaken. FFI is what it is, and so is COEM. Both have different characteristics and approaches towards Islam. You think you are justified in isolating Islam from Muslims, but I think it is the Muslims who manifest Islam. The scripture of the Jews can't stone an adulterer, only the Jews can and they don't, and the Muslims do it. It is the Muslims who love Jihad and believe that to kill and be killed is one of the surest way of being in the heaven. Keep counting what percentage of Muslims believe in that shit; I am not bothered.
If you really have Muslims as your kith and kin, please try harder to make them see the reality. The patience of the non Islamic world is wearing thin day by day. I believe in hitting back hard on the internet and in the real life too.
No, the world here is not according to an exmuslim viewpoint. We have exmuslims, exchrisitans, never been anythings here, just like you do over at FFI, but there are 2 distinctly different viewpoints.
Here its according to a secular democratic liberal & hopefully consistent viewpoint. My argument is that yours is not, why else would you contemplate refusing ALL muslims the right to vote?
I know you do not single handedly represent the whole of FFI, but I dont see many members coming here to protest against you. But please forgive me for doing so..
Your views would not be out of place in FFI, but certainly ruffle many feathers over here.
If they are your kith and kin, it is your responsibility to veer them on the right path with love or whatever way you deem fit. Don't expect that I too will try love with them. You seem to forget that in an Islam dominated society I might be allowed to live in humiliation but you won't. And it is not someone called Islam who will come after you, but people called Muslims.
Believe it or not, I no longer see muslims as my kith & kin so you are missing the picture. The reason I defend them here (as is Qman who never was a muslim) is not because I actually care any more about them (tbh I dont) but I would defend anyones right to basic human rights.
So what do you conclude? That CharlesMartel is a bigoted extremist worse than a nazi?
You are welcome.
No, I conclude that you are reacting and voicing your rage by overreacting to make a point. In the cold light of day, I dont think that you would really consider removing the right to vote for all muslims. At least I hope not.
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