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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #690 - February 27, 2010, 02:53 PM

    I have refuted this argument of yours plenty of times...


    Yes, Sky, you're the man!
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #691 - February 27, 2010, 04:59 PM

    Are you claiming it makes no difference who is saying it?


    I am saying that it makes a difference only to morons who can't appreciate the message. They judge the message as per the messenger; it is called "appeal to authority", but you surely know all about it?

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #692 - February 27, 2010, 05:13 PM


    Who is saying it and how they are saying it makes a big difference and can be the difference between getting through to someone or not.

    If you or Charles or SkyN can't see that - that's not my problem.


    But it IS your problem. You seem to think that you are always right, and that you have nothing more to learn.

    ""This is the noble truth of suffering: birth is suffering, aging is suffering, illness is suffering, death is suffering; sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair are suffering; union with what is displeasing is suffering; separation from what is pleasing is suffering; not to get what one wants is suffering; in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are suffering."

    Would the above statement be any less true (or would you disagree with it) if it was stated by my plumber instead of Gautama The Buddha?


    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #693 - February 27, 2010, 05:23 PM

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    @Yeezevee

    IT depends on the perspective that you see .If you see the crimes then muslims are worse than nazis in that regard but if you compare them about their behaviour or attitude towards others muslims score over nazis so it depends on the parameter that you compare both.

    No..no my perspective is fairly simple .. Crimes are Crimes ..Criminal are Criminals dear SKB.

    But I am not going to rub the criminality of some Muslims on to every Muslim I see on the road or every Muslim house I go for dinner..

    yes All Nazis of Hitler Army were Same with references to their criminal character,  understanding of Hitler & Nazism  ..  But ALL MUSLIMS ARE/WERE  NOT SAME  with references to their criminal behavior,  their understanding of Islam & Prophet of Islam., I say again comparison is invalid..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #694 - February 27, 2010, 05:23 PM

    I am saying that it makes a difference only to morons who can't appreciate the message. They judge the message as per the messenger; it is called "appeal to authority", but you surely know all about it?


    No, it doesn't only make a difference to morons. That is a very arrogant things to say. All human beings are emotional creatures - even you. The fact is that all of us filter information through our experiences, feelings, prejudices, perspectives and so on... you may think you are different and that you are a uniquely rational being who is not prone to seeing things through the filter of your emotions, but I very much doubt such a human being exists.

    A Muslim (just like any other human being) is far more likely to take on board what is being said by someone who he knows has seen things from his perspective, knows where he is coming from and shows empathy and understanding for them. If the same thing is said to them by Nick Griffin I guarantee it will not get past most Muslims emotional response to that individual.

    That does not make them morons - it makes them human.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #695 - February 27, 2010, 05:25 PM

    Would the above statement be any less true (or would you disagree with it) if it was stated by my plumber instead of Gautama The Buddha?


    Did I say that the message would be less true?

    I said that who is saying it and how it is said makes a BIG difference on whether that message is received by the listener.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #696 - February 27, 2010, 05:29 PM

    @Charles - did you watch the two videos I posted for you?

    Do you think my message would be better received if I had said:

    "Hey Mozlems! Stop worshipping Mo, that a paedo, rapist, child molesting barbaric murderer..."
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #697 - February 27, 2010, 05:31 PM

    Hassan says something to yeezevee
    Quote
    If you or Charles or SkyN can't see that - that's not my problem.

    Charels says to Hassan
    Quote
    But it IS your problem. You seem to think that you are always right, and that you have nothing more to learn.


    No..Charles no., Hassan learned many things., In fact he learned many things at FFI., he says FFI was the main reason that he could NOT leave Islam., Without it he would have been fighting Islam 5 years before he started writing against Islam. And he learned different method of attacking Islam.  That is GOOD and I admire his ways., at the same time he doesn't need to demean other sites like ffi..

    Any ways,  As far as "Hassan thinking he is always right is concerned"

    Well lots of people have that behavior.. NOT me..not ..me, if I am wrong I FREELY AGREE and go to the Doctor..

    See this guy a cancer patient.. he says he doesn't have cancer and in fact he says " No cancer patient should go to Doctor" he is inspirational to cancer patients

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwFvNYSCmhM&NR=1&feature=fvwp

    Indeed he is a courageous  man.....  Oh well

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #698 - February 27, 2010, 05:35 PM

     Cheesy

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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #699 - February 27, 2010, 05:36 PM

    All human beings are emotional creatures


    And as long as one continues judging a message emotionally, one is bound to fail in appreciating its truth or falsehood.

    Let me ask you point blank, which is more important, the message, or the messenger? I hope for a direct answer.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #700 - February 27, 2010, 05:41 PM

    Quote
    And as long as one continues judging a message emotionally, one is bound to fail in appreciating its truth or falsehood.

    Let me ask you point blank, which is more important, the message, or the messenger? I hope for a direct answer.

    charlesmartel   YOU ARE TOO EMOTIONAL

    don't ask such direct questions., But Hassan has  a point.

    You see, A thug, a rapist, a conman go on giving lectures as he is the only righteous person on this earth, Then I have a problem with the messenger however good his  message may be.

    will you not have a problem with such  messenger  dear charlesmartel??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #701 - February 27, 2010, 05:43 PM

    And as long as one continues judging a message emotionally, one is bound to fail in appreciating its truth or falsehood.


    I don't believe that anyone can be totally dispassionate and without emotion - that is simply not the human condition. But we are not entirely emotional creatures - we are also rational and logical. One can still appreciate a message despite one's emotional response. It is more likely to happen if one recognises and understand that the people one is talking to will respond emotionally so one can find ways round that.

    Let me ask you point blank, which is more important, the message, or the messenger? I hope for a direct answer.


    I believe both are important.

    Which one is more important depends on the particular message.

    "Keep off the Grass!" is a message where the messenger is unimportant.

    "Islam is false" is one where the messenger is equally important.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #702 - February 27, 2010, 05:44 PM

    @Charles - did you watch the two videos I posted for you?

    Do you think my message would be better received if I had said:

    "Hey Mozlems! Stop worshipping Mo, that a paedo, rapist, child molesting barbaric murderer..."



    Hassan, would you promise that if I watched those videos you would not accuse me of being a hypocrite?

    There obviously exist two different view points. One is to state the truth without any sugar coating and unvarnished. This approach is direct and is expected to work by shocking the receiver enough to stop and take notice. The other way is to sugar coat the truth, and to hope that the receiver would be deceived by the sweet taste of the sugar and will swallow the bitter truth. Both these approaches have their own merit and work on different types of receivers; none of the method works for all.

    What I object to is your assertion that your way is the better way, and that the other way doesn't work or is much less effective. You are too full of it, dear Hassan.

    By the way, do you try to avoid logical fallacies in your arguments/statements?

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #703 - February 27, 2010, 05:49 PM

    Quote
    "Islam is false" is one where the messenger is very important.


    i don't think so dear Hassan.,

    A false concept is a false concept., it really doesn't matter who says that. Because, the person must be saying that with some concrete Proof., without proof off course, people will say., the guy talking rubbish..


    By the way , did you say in any one of your videos

    "ISLAM IS FALSE"   dear hassan?? with big letter  I didn't see those words on Screen.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #704 - February 27, 2010, 05:51 PM

    Hassan, would you promise that if I watched those videos you would not accuse me of being a hypocrite?

    There obviously exist two different view points. One is to state the truth without any sugar coating and unvarnished. This approach is direct and is expected to work by shocking the receiver enough to stop and take notice. The other way is to sugar coat the truth, and to hope that the receiver would be deceived by the sweet taste of the sugar and will swallow the bitter truth. Both these approaches have their own merit and work on different types of receivers; none of the method works for all.

    What I object to is your assertion that your way is the better way, and that the other way doesn't work or is much less effective. You are too full of it, dear Hassan.

    By the way, do you try to avoid logical fallacies in your arguments/statements?


    I won't call you a hypocrite - I do try to avoid logical fallacies (though I'm not perfect.)

    Watch both videos please then tell,me what you think.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #705 - February 27, 2010, 07:31 PM

    Oh Yeezee, Yeezee, Yeezee... why do I bother...

    i don't think so dear Hassan.,

    A false concept is a false concept., it really doesn't matter who says that.


    I agree with you. I'm talking about the best way to present it so that your audience will listen.

    By the way , did you say in any one of your videos

    "ISLAM IS FALSE"  dear hassan?? with big letter  I didn't see those words on Screen.


    I may not use those exact words, but all my videos are saying Islam is false.

    What do you think they are saying?

    Do you think if I scream "ISLAM IS FALSE!" and thump the table that would make a good video?
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #706 - February 27, 2010, 07:42 PM

    Quote
    I may not use those exact words, but all my videos are saying Islam is false.

    What do you think they are saying?

    Do you think if I scream "Islam is False!" and thump the table that would make a good video?

    well you don't need to scream UNTIL YOUR PANTS ARE OFF,   but you know every Muslim and dumb guys like me are NOT that smart to figure out directly what actually you are trying to project in your videos .  Offcourse smart Muslims and Non-Muslims know your aims and games. So at the end of the Video words like

    Quran is False..Islam is false ..   will make you more popular dear Hassan., because that guy Ali shouts at people with words like Muhammad was Thug.. Muhammad was rapist.. Muhammad was looter.,

    So can't you take step ahead for the sake of  your supporters like me and say those words  at the end of video..

    Quran is False..Islam is false ..    ..just kidding, I don't want you get in trouble on London Roads..

    it is true you are dissecting what is therein hadith(Not even Quran).. you did very little on Quran.,  may be I didn't watch the right video..

    So did you do any videos on Quran Alone?   Forget hadith..or Sunnah , that is silly stuff, All of us know well  it comes 200 years after Prophet of Islam left to heaven to meet his houries..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #707 - February 27, 2010, 07:50 PM

    well you don't need to scream UNTIL YOUR PANTS ARE OFF,   but you know every Muslim and dumb guys like me are NOT that smart to figure out directly what actually you are trying project in your videos .  So at the end of the Video words like

    Quran is False..Islam is false ..   will make you more popular dear Hassan., because that guy Ali shouts at people with words like Muhammad was Thug.. Muhammad was rapist.. Muhammad was looter.,

    So can't you take step ahead for the sake of  your supporters like me and say those words  at the end of video..

    Quran is False..Islam is false ..    ..just kidding, I don't want you get in trouble on London Roads..

    it is true you are dissecting what is therein hadith(Not even Quran).. you did very little on Quran.,  may be I didn't watch the right video..

    So did you do any videos on Quran Alone?   Forget hadith..or Sunnah , that is silly stuff, All of us know well  it comes 200 years after Prophet of Islam left to heaven to meet his houries..


    Thanks for your suggestions, Yeezee.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #708 - February 27, 2010, 07:51 PM

    Oops I didn't see this...

    I'm talking about the best way to present it so that your audience will listen.

    i was quick to post a response without looking at those words.,

    YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THERE, I say your way will be more popular with Muslim folks who are still attached to Islam, Prophet of Islam.  And millions of   Muslims don't mind the way you are criticizing Islam yet they will sow the doubt in their minds. Off course some folks ..such as FFI  like you to do more.  But I DISAGREE WITH THEM.,  because your way is equally or more important than what ffi puts out..



     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #709 - February 27, 2010, 07:54 PM

    Do you think if I scream "ISLAM IS FALSE!" and thump the table that would make a good video?


    Considering its you-- yeah, that would be fuckin great. Do it. Stay up for two days drinking and doing coke, then imagine the most infuriating thing that's ever happened to you or someone you love, then turn on the camera and do your video. That'll be hilarious.

    fuck you
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #710 - February 27, 2010, 07:58 PM

    Considering its you-- yeah, that would be fuckin great. Do it. Stay up for two days drinking and doing coke, then imagine the most infuriating thing that's ever happened to you or someone you love, then turn on the camera and do your video. That'll be hilarious.


    LOL

    Hassan goes all Pat Condell, that'd be crazy awesome.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #711 - February 27, 2010, 07:59 PM

    Considering its you-- yeah, that would be fuckin great. Do it. Stay up for two days drinking and doing coke, then imagine the most infuriating thing that's ever happened to you or someone you love, then turn on the camera and do your video. That'll be hilarious.


     Cheesy  Cheesy

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #712 - February 28, 2010, 03:14 AM

    Oops I didn't see this...

    I'm talking about the best way to present it so that your audience will listen.

    i was quick to post a response without looking at those words.,

    YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THERE, I say your way will be more popular with Muslim folks who are still attached to Islam, Prophet of Islam.  And millions of   Muslims don't mind the way you are criticizing Islam yet they will sow the doubt in their minds. Off course some folks ..such as FFI  like you to do more.  But I DISAGREE WITH THEM.,  because your way is equally or more important than what ffi puts out..


    And who is FFI, yeezevee? I thought you are (or were?) FFI too. Cheesy

    Like some CEMB members, you too seem to be forgetting that FFI or any forum for that matter is not homogeneous, unless it restricts certain kind of people and speech. FFI is one of the forums which works with minimum restrictions.

    Talk of Ali, and criticize him all you want; he rarely posts on the forum now.


    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #713 - February 28, 2010, 07:42 AM

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    And who is FFI, yeezevee? I thought you are (or were?) FFI too. Cheesy

    Like some CEMB members, you too seem to be forgetting that FFI or any forum for that matter is not homogeneous, unless it restricts certain kind of people and speech. FFI is one of the forums which works with minimum restrictions.

    Talk of Ali, and criticize him all you want; he rarely posts on the forum now.


    No..None of us are FFI or none of us are COEMB., we are just members to air our opinions on certain issues dear charlesmartel .,

    But HERE my problem is with Hassan.,  he is NOT answering my POST..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #714 - February 28, 2010, 08:15 AM

    No..no my perspective is fairly simple .. Crimes are Crimes ..Criminal are Criminals dear SKB.

    But I am not going to rub the criminality of some Muslims on to every Muslim I see on the road or every Muslim house I go for dinner..

    yes All Nazis of Hitler Army were Same with references to their criminal character,  understanding of Hitler & Nazism  ..  But ALL MUSLIMS ARE/WERE  NOT SAME  with references to their criminal behavior,  their understanding of Islam & Prophet of Islam., I say again comparison is invalid..


    Yeezevee we can compare 2 objects with respect to some definite parameters. Comparing muslims with nazis on the parameter "Crime" we find that muslims did much more crimes than nazis  but at the same time behaviour wise muslims are better . Let me give an example  I can say USA is economically better than India but does that mean  I cannot say India is better than USA in sports? The comparison is valid as long as I compare India with USA in terms of sports. Same is the case here i.e comparing muslim with Nazis in terms of crimes is valid. When I say muslims are worse than Nazis with respect to crimes committed I dont imply that each and every muslim is a criminal . There is no reason for muslims who havent committed crimes to get offended by this if they havent committed any crime because I dont intend to refer to them but to the people who share a common religion with them and are criminals.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #715 - February 28, 2010, 08:54 AM

    You are right in many ways dear SKB.  but you know, it is better to be bit more analytical at this time and age.
    Quote
    Yeezevee we can compare 2 objects with respect to some definite parameters. Comparing muslims with nazis on the parameter "Crime" we find that muslims did much more crimes than nazis  but at the same time behaviour wise muslims are better .

    I am glad to know  from you that Muslim behavior is better than Nazi behavior., How about Muslim  Behavior and Non-Muslim Behavior dear SKB  ., I am not good in English and understanding  words like  "Muslim Hunting and Muslim Behavior"  in a statement that puts every Muslim in the same slot  irrespective of whether they did anything terrible or they understand Islam or not.

    Yes we can compare many things., for e.g Apples and oranges, Both are fruit, both come from trees and both have enough glucose for a diabetic to get by that hypoglycemia., And if you extend a bit to their composition to atomic level,  they are comparable to Human and they are comparable to shit ..  After all everything is made from C,H, O,N S and few more atoms dear SKB., But you know at this time and age we better  be bit more analytical.   Sorry if I disagree with you., In fact I do agree partially with your views..

    Quote
    Let me give an example  I can say USA is economically better than India but does that mean  I cannot say India is better than USA in sports? The comparison is valid as long as I compare India with USA in terms of sports.

    good example better than one I gave above., again let us be more analytical..

    Quote
    Same is the case here i.e comparing muslim with Nazis in terms of crimes is valid. When I say muslims are worse than Nazis with respect to crimes committed I dont imply that each and every muslim is a criminal . There is no reason for muslims who havent committed crimes to get offended by this if they havent committed any crime because I dont intend to refer to them but to the people who share a common religion with them and are criminals.

    But you are putting every one on the same mat, you are throwing  criminal activities of some Muslims on to every Muslim for wrongs committed by Muslims in early Islam and later Islam., Aren't you implying  that Some Muslims are/were criminals hence all Muslims could be potentially criminals as they share same religious ideology??

    In a way it is  true, If all Muslims take Islamic ideology literally and act upon it, it is indeed a dangerous cult.  but let me stress here again, that let  us be bit more analytical and look at the differences with in Islam and with in Muslims. On top of it why use such words here in this forum against those who themselves are questioning Islam??

    Any ways., You are doing really well , I am so glad to read many of your posts dear SKB..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #716 - February 28, 2010, 09:24 AM

    Watch both videos please then tell,me what you think.


    Hassan, I watched the videos. In my frank opinion, even though the material presented is good, the videos are not going to make much impact on Muslims. In the first one, you presented both the good and the bad aspects of Muhammad's history, and then went on to say that the truth lies somewhere in between. I would have preferred to question the very prophethood of Muhammad on account of his evil deeds. Muslims, when they come to know of those bits, shield themselves behind arguments like "it was the custom in those days", or that "Muhammad was better than his contemporaries" etc.

    I think that what is required is to snatch that shield away by strongly putting across the idea that such a man cannot be a prophet of God (if God exists at all). What needs to be told is that fact that his evil deeds far outweigh his good deeds, and that his impact on humanity has been negative.

    Had I been a Muslim, I would have seen the videos and simply ignored them. So you quote Islamic sources to show that Muhammad killed people, married Aisha when she was nine, and tortured people, so what? If there was some action of his that I did not like, I would successfully comfort myself by thinking that even Allah did not claim that Muhammad was sinless.


    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #717 - February 28, 2010, 09:34 AM

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    I would have preferred to question the very prophethood of Muhammad


    So dear charlesmartel ., If..IF Hassan adds the following words  in to his videos

    Quote
    Hence

    Quran is False..
    Islam is false ..   
    Muhammad was No Prophet of Allah..
    ...Muhammad was Criminal


    Would that make his videos more acceptable to you and make More Muslims leave Islam??

    Just curious..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #718 - February 28, 2010, 10:35 AM

    Hassan, I watched the videos. In my frank opinion, even though the material presented is good, the videos are not going to make much impact on Muslims. In the first one, you presented both the good and the bad aspects of Muhammad's history, and then went on to say that the truth lies somewhere in between. I would have preferred to question the very prophethood of Muhammad on account of his evil deeds. Muslims, when they come to know of those bits, shield themselves behind arguments like "it was the custom in those days", or that "Muhammad was better than his contemporaries" etc.

    I think that what is required is to snatch that shield away by strongly putting across the idea that such a man cannot be a prophet of God (if God exists at all). What needs to be told is that fact that his evil deeds far outweigh his good deeds, and that his impact on humanity has been negative.

    Had I been a Muslim, I would have seen the videos and simply ignored them. So you quote Islamic sources to show that Muhammad killed people, married Aisha when she was nine, and tortured people, so what? If there was some action of his that I did not like, I would successfully comfort myself by thinking that even Allah did not claim that Muhammad was sinless.


    OK, thanks for your opinion, Charles.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #719 - February 28, 2010, 11:45 AM

    OK, thanks for your opinion, Charles.


    For what it's worth Hassan, I was a muslim when I read your blog. It had a huge impact on me. And then I watched your videos. Please do NOT change your method. It works Smiley

    If you wish to change anything only do so if it feels right to you.
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