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  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #30 - February 17, 2010, 07:31 PM

    good to know  Afro I aim to please  piggy yes  thnkyu parrot dance
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #31 - February 17, 2010, 08:45 PM

    and again Welcome BeyT to the forums.
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #32 - February 17, 2010, 09:02 PM

    Hi BeyT, welcome to the forum banana dance

    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #33 - February 17, 2010, 09:19 PM

    Welcome BeyT  Smiley
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #34 - February 17, 2010, 09:26 PM

    Welcome aboard!

    BeyT do you know any apostates personally in your life?

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #35 - February 18, 2010, 03:23 AM

     signwelcome BeyT.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #36 - February 18, 2010, 03:27 AM

    Howdy!

    Hiya!

    FINALLY a freakin' Yemeni  dance   far away hug
    So yeah, I am Yemeni as well, ATM in the UK for studying, but I visit home every now and then.

    Which part of Yemen do you originally come from?

    Yemeni too? Cool! dance
    Hadhramout. Haven't visited Yemen in years, though.

    I believe it is more difficult because you are a girl, boys are privileged.. Even in extreme religious families boys can break-out. I'm not very much sure about the Arabs though because for you guys it's a matter of culture as well..

    Good Luck for a good future..  Afro

    Although that is usually the case in this part of the world, my parents don't subscribe to the retarded cultural viewpoint of boys' superiority over girls. Of course they still believe girls shouldn't travel without their mahrams. For 'protection'. Roll Eyes
    I will have to plan my escape very carefully. Tongue
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #37 - February 18, 2010, 03:39 AM

    This is your chance Infidel. Wink


    @BeyT

    Welcome to the forums.

    And btw, Infidel is a pretty handsome and funny guy. He likes children and smiles and puppies. He enjoys nice strolls in the park but he's no wimp, and can be assertive when he needs to.

    Lmao, oh dear... Grin

    Welcome BeyT. Get stuck in then lol. Seems like your a bit confused right now maybe, or just trying to come to terms with how you feel so I echo the thoughts previosly mentioned, stay positive.

    Yep, I'm still very unsure about it all.  Undecided More research should fix that, hopefully. Thanks. Smiley

    Stay positive, and listen to yourself and trust yourself.

    I learned this from watching Oprah all day and eating Doritos. Now I have a fat ass.

    Thanks BD (is it ok if I call you that?)! Go easy on those Doritos. Grin
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #38 - February 18, 2010, 03:42 AM

    Hi Beyt

    Bienvendios Smiley

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #39 - February 18, 2010, 03:51 AM

    Quote
    Welcome to you, and i like it here too (i have never been religious in any religion other than that which resides in my head). I thought you might like this for your edumacations http://www.faithfreedom.org/content/ancient-quranic-manuscripts-sanaa-and-divine-downfall, some light reading for you.

    I read the first paragraph, bookmarking the page for later. What a find, I hope word of this gets out. It might help destroy the Islam myth. Thanks Lilyesque.

    Welcome aboard!

    BeyT do you know any apostates personally in your life?

    Unfortunately, no.  :'(


    Thanks to everyone else for the welcome.
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #40 - February 18, 2010, 03:58 AM

    Hadhramout.


    Wow! Hadramaut?

    A little info which you might find interesting, your distant ancestresses(yep, not ancestors, but ancestresses) had led a spirited rebellion against Islam & the restrictions the new religion imposed on their sexual & other freedoms.

    They rebellion unfortunately was quickly quashed & the women ordered to be executed in a gruesome manner by Caliph Abu Bakr.  :'(

    Quote
    http://www.laurelvictoriagray.com/wizards-and-harlots.htm


    A disturbing incident following the death of Muhammad forever linked woman and song with blasphemous behavior. Not all tribes willingly clung to the new religion; some turned apostate. Perhaps thinking Muhammad’s demise signaled a return to their former spiritual traditions, six women in the city of Hadramaut celebrated news of the Prophet’s death. They marked the occasion by staining their hands with henna  -- a practice associated with festivities -- and playing on the “tambourine.”  Two converts to Islam reported the women to Muhammad’s successor, Caliph Abu Bakr, who gave orders for a gruesome punishment.
     
    The two righteous servants [of God] who remained
    steadfast in their religion when the greater part of their
    tribes apostasized…have written to me that before them
    there are certain women of the people of Yemen who
    have desired the death of the Prophet of God, and that
    these have been joined by singing-girls of Kinda and
    prostitutes of Hadramaut, and they have dyed their hands
    and shown joy and played on the tambourine in defiance
    of God and in contempt of his rights and those of His
    Prophet. When my letter reaches you, go to them with
    your horses and men, and strike off their hands. [Italics mine] 13

     
                Mernissi examines this significant clash between women and Islam. Who were these women, dismissed as harlots and prostitutes? Muslim historian Ibn Al Bagdadi identified the twelve of them in his work Kitab al-Muhabbar: “Two were grandmothers, one a mother, and seven were young girls. Three of the twelve belonged to the ashraf (“the noble class”) and four to the tribe of Kindah, a royal tribe which provided Yemen with its kings.” 14 Mernissa asks a riveting question:
     
                            
     15What kind of harlotry is practiced by elderly grandmothers,
    young girls, by the most noble of women, the members of
    princely houses? And why, anyway, was the clapping of
    tambourines by twenty-six women in the faraway villages
    of South Arabia so threatening to the powerful military
    Muslim order?

     
                One historian, A.F. L. Beetson, believes the incident reveals a conflict between the old pagan religion and the new monotheism. “He speculates that these women dissidents were deprived by the new religion of their position as pagan priestesses of the old temple where religious prostitution was practiced.” 16
     
    Mernissi interprets the conflict differently, believing that – whatever the previous social position of the women had been – the new Islamic order threatened it. Furthermore, she sees that the clash between the women and Islam “clearly was in the sexual field. The fact that the Caliph labeled his opponents as harlots implies that Islam condemned their sexual practices, whatever they were, as harlotry.” Mernissi believes this infamous “Harlots of Hadramaut incident is an example of Islam’s opposition to the sexual practices existing in pre-Islamic Arabia.” 17

     

    Will you sing & dance & play the tambourine when you manage to escape?  Wink

    Lets' hope your plans to escape have a more happy ending than your spunky ancestresses!  Afro

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #41 - February 18, 2010, 04:16 AM

    Hiya!
    Yemeni too? Cool! dance

    Hadhramout. Haven't visited Yemen in years, though.

    Great. My family are Hadharim as well, though I was born and lived (almost) my whole life in Hodeidah.


    Wow! Hadramaut?

    A little info which you might find interesting, your distant ancestresses(yep, not ancestors, but ancestresses) had led a spirited rebellion against Islam & the restrictions the new religion imposed on their sexual & other freedoms.

    They rebellion unfortunately was quickly quashed & the women ordered to be executed in a gruesome manner by Caliph Abu Bakr.  Cry

    That's some interesting find. Though, it sounds dodgy that they wrote: "Footnotes withheld to prevent unlawful reproduction of this material."

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #42 - February 18, 2010, 04:21 AM

    Wow! Hadramaut?

    A little info which you might find interesting, your distant ancestresses(yep, not ancestors, but ancestresses) had led a spirited rebellion against Islam & the restrictions the new religion imposed on their sexual & other freedoms.

    They rebellion unfortunately was quickly quashed & the women ordered to be executed in a gruesome manner by Caliph Abu Bakr.  Cry
     

    Will you sing & dance & play the tambourine when you manage to escape?  Wink

    Lets' hope your plans to escape have a more happy ending than your spunky ancestresses!  Afro


    How gruesome! So much for Islam, the 'peaceful' religion which can't even accomodate dissent. They weren't harming anyone with their celebration, shame on those Muslim bastards.  furious

    Hmm, never been much for song and dance, but I might just do it in memory of my ancestresses. Thanks for the link, Rashna! ♥
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #43 - February 18, 2010, 04:24 AM

    Great. My family are Hadharim as well, though I was born and lived (almost) my whole life in Hodeidah.

    That's some interesting find. Though, it sounds dodgy that they wrote: "Footnotes withheld to prevent unlawful reproduction of this material."

    w00t, fellow Hadhrami grin12
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #44 - February 18, 2010, 04:30 AM

    That's some interesting find. Though, it sounds dodgy that they wrote: "Footnotes withheld to prevent unlawful reproduction of this material."


    World renowned Muslim "feminist" Leila Ahmed also mentions this incident.

    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=iF80SGMdlEAC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=Hadramaut+women+Muhammad's+death&source=bl&ots=lCNtn1WyKX&sig=yEUYlklxHZVdydW1Tn3xS6-8jp0&hl=en&ei=YsB8S72rDM26rAf_peyICQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAQ

    I have also read it directly from Mernissi's book. Mernissi & Leila Ahmed are extremely credible & mention all their sources.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #45 - February 18, 2010, 08:16 AM

    Thanks for the link, Rashna! ♥


    You're welcome.  far away hug

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #46 - February 20, 2010, 07:33 PM


    Ah, I don't mind telling. I'm Yemeni, but living in UAE. And you? grin12



    Another  UAEian, thats great. Im also in teh UAE. So what difference do you find in the ways Islam is practised in the UAE and Yemen?

    "All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #47 - February 21, 2010, 04:27 AM

    Another  UAEian, thats great. Im also in teh UAE. So what difference do you find in the ways Islam is practised in the UAE and Yemen?

    Hey fellow UAEian  far away hug

    Hmm, can't say I know what it's like exactly in Yemen, most of my life has been spent in the UAE. I believe they practise salafism (the north, at least), so it's way more conservative. According to this wiki article, they also carry out the death penalty on apostates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_nation
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #48 - May 31, 2010, 11:28 PM

    Aw Welcome BeyT Smiley I actually just joined yesterday. I want to know more about your story! How old are you? Are you planning to move out of UAE? It's not too bad there actually. I'm just asking.

     far away hug
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #49 - July 12, 2010, 09:28 AM

    Aw Welcome BeyT Smiley I actually just joined yesterday. I want to know more about your story! How old are you? Are you planning to move out of UAE? It's not too bad there actually. I'm just asking.

     far away hug

    Ah, just noticed this, sorry! I rarely find the time to get on.
    Anything you'd like to know about me, ask away- preferably through PMs. Tongue I turned 22 just last month, and YES, moving out of the UAE is definitely on my priority list. Although, with the way things are going now, that might not happen until 4 years, at least. :(
  • Re: Hello, everyone!
     Reply #50 - July 12, 2010, 10:57 PM

    Welcome BeyT Smiley
    Theres another female Yemeniah right here Smiley
    Except I live in the US.
     far away hug
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