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  • Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     OP - February 25, 2010, 04:32 PM

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8535141.stm

    The UK Sikh Federation says it might take legal action over the Office for National Statistics' 2011 census form.

    It says the ONS is breaking the law by putting a box for Sikhs to tick in the voluntary religion section of the form but not one in the ethnicity section.

    It fears this will result in the number of Sikhs being underestimated and mean community services get fewer resources.

    The ONS says space is limited on the form and putting the Sikh box under religion will generate the best data.

    Invisible

    The census is a national survey that takes place every 10 years and the next one is on 27 March 2011.

    It is a social, economic and racial snapshot of the nation and public bodies use the information to plan, fund and deliver services as well as allocate resources.

    The ONS has included two new categories in the ethnicity section in next year's questionnaire. One is for Gypsy or Irish Traveller and the other is for Arab.

    But Sikhs argue that if they are not represented in this section then they will effectively remain invisible to the authorities.

    "Basically, as far as the Sikhs are concerned, the questions that the census asks are being asked in a particular way so that it's actually undermining the Sikh community and the services we're entitled to," said Dabinderjit Singh, an adviser to the federation.

    "At the last census in 2001 the number of Sikhs that we believe were recorded in the census were actually half the number of Sikhs in the UK.

    "Therefore, policy makers, whether it be central government or local government, have been making decisions on the basis of incorrect information."

    Voluntary

    He believes that the fact that UK law recognises Sikhs as a separate race gives them a "very clear basis" for taking legal action.

    The previous census in 2001 suggested that there were 336,000 Sikhs in Britain whereas campaigners claim the true number is closer to 600,000.

    The 2001 census was the first time that the form had a section on religious beliefs.

    And, although this section included an option for Sikhs, it was the only question that was voluntary, with households having to answer everything else.

    The ONS believes that having a Sikh box in the religious identity section is adequate and that it is not necessary to have a box to tick for Sikhs in the section on ethnicity.

    Deputy census director Peter Benton: "Given the constraints in the questionnaire size and layout we can't put more than one tick box in for a particular ethnic or racial group.

    "We have chosen to put it in the religion question as that gives the best quality data."

    The ONS said it had effectively finished putting together the census form and that it planned to start printing the questionnaires in a few months.


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  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #1 - February 25, 2010, 04:36 PM

    But Sikhism is a religion, not a race, so why should it going under ethnicity too?  wacko


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #2 - February 25, 2010, 04:41 PM

    berbella wrote
    "But Sikhism is a religion, not a race, so why should it going under ethnicity too?"

    The so-called campaigners believe that british law recognises sikhs to be a separate race.Read the lines carefully.

    "When one bright intellect meets another bright intellect, the light increases and the Way becomes clear -- Rumi
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #3 - February 25, 2010, 04:44 PM

    I did, it's confusing.  If they are already considered a seperate race Cheesy (you know, like jamaicans are a separate race from africans  Roll Eyes ) , then it makes sense they get a tick box.

    But in all honesty I don't care, it's yet more religion causing yet more division amongst humanity.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #4 - February 25, 2010, 04:56 PM

    Berbs, it does sound pretty dumb to me too, but, then again, so much of what gets defined as an "ethnicity" is silly or arbitrary. For example, in North America, anyone who speaks Spanish as their mother tongue is considered to be of "Hispanic ethnicity" whether they are Black, guero or mestizo. Yet we don't consider French-speakers to be a separate ethnicity.

    fuck you
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #5 - February 25, 2010, 05:25 PM

    That's because wetbacks aren't human, like the rest of us Smiley
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #6 - February 25, 2010, 05:59 PM

    which box are you going to tick berbella?

    "When one bright intellect meets another bright intellect, the light increases and the Way becomes clear -- Rumi
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #7 - February 25, 2010, 06:02 PM

    The one that says "Bitch" for ethnicity, because that's a race, just ask us bitches, and of course atheist for religion.  Cheesy

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  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #8 - February 25, 2010, 06:05 PM

    Berbs, it does sound pretty dumb to me too, but, then again, so much of what gets defined as an "ethnicity" is silly or arbitrary. For example, in North America, anyone who speaks Spanish as their mother tongue is considered to be of "Hispanic ethnicity" whether they are Black, guero or mestizo. Yet we don't consider French-speakers to be a separate ethnicity.

    Ah, you can help me out with understanding this, then.
    Is "Italian" usually considered some separate ethnicity over there?

    I am asking because when I chat with Americans and/or Canadians I get quite confused.
    Especially with those of Italian descent, and I end up internet-fighting with them when I tell them that the concept of "Italy" as a nation is a relatively modern invention (about 150 years ago), so the concept of "Italian blood" is an abstraction that surfaced mostly in the 19th century (to justify the political unification).

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #9 - February 25, 2010, 07:51 PM

    which box are you going to tick berbella?


    Asif, what box do you tick on the census?


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #10 - February 25, 2010, 09:47 PM

    Billy wrote "Asif, what box do you tick on the census?"
    billy in 2011 it will be the first time i will tick that box,i think in muslim list.

    "When one bright intellect meets another bright intellect, the light increases and the Way becomes clear -- Rumi
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #11 - February 25, 2010, 09:48 PM

    i think in muslim list.


    ewww

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #12 - February 25, 2010, 09:49 PM

    Billy wrote "Asif, what box do you tick on the census?"
    billy in 2011 it will be the first time i will tick that box,i think in muslim list.


    You think? Why, are you having doubts?


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #13 - February 25, 2010, 09:52 PM

    Ah, you can help me out with understanding this, then.
    Is "Italian" usually considered some separate ethnicity over there?

    I am asking because when I chat with Americans and/or Canadians I get quite confused.
    Especially with those of Italian descent, and I end up internet-fighting with them when I tell them that the concept of "Italy" as a nation is a relatively modern invention (about 150 years ago), so the concept of "Italian blood" is an abstraction that surfaced mostly in the 19th century (to justify the political unification).


    Sort of, yeah. Italian and Irish are generally considered somewhat to be ethnicities by many people here, there being some overlap between ethnic group and national group. But Hispanic is the only one I know of that is not based on color, nationality or religion, but on language.

    fuck you
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #14 - February 25, 2010, 09:52 PM

    no there is no doubt,i should have said that

    "When one bright intellect meets another bright intellect, the light increases and the Way becomes clear -- Rumi
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #15 - February 25, 2010, 09:58 PM

    Quote
    no there is no doubt,i should have said that


    So you are a fully practising, believing Muslim?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #16 - February 26, 2010, 01:11 PM

    I am believing muslim,i wont say fully practicing one

    "When one bright intellect meets another bright intellect, the light increases and the Way becomes clear -- Rumi
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #17 - February 26, 2010, 01:25 PM

    Quote
    I am believing muslim,i wont say fully practicing one


    Great! Why don't you contribute to our discussions about Islam, then? Would be interesting to read your thoughts.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #18 - February 26, 2010, 01:34 PM

    I have done that many times,i have been member on this forum longer then you.

    "When one bright intellect meets another bright intellect, the light increases and the Way becomes clear -- Rumi
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #19 - February 26, 2010, 01:40 PM

    Quote
    I have done that many times,i have been member on this forum longer then you.


    I've just been through all of your posts and you have rarely, in fact almost never, discussed anything to do with Islam - the majority of your posts are hit-and-run topics about Sikhs, Hindus, or India.

    Hey, if you don't want to talk about Islam that's fine, I was just saying.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #20 - February 26, 2010, 01:50 PM

    Its another thing that many of my earlier posts have been deleted when the forum was hacked or something of that sort happened to it.

    "When one bright intellect meets another bright intellect, the light increases and the Way becomes clear -- Rumi
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #21 - February 26, 2010, 01:51 PM

    Quote
    Its another thing that many of my earlier posts have been deleted when the forum was hacked or something of that sort happened to it.


    Oh I see  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #22 - February 26, 2010, 02:21 PM

    Its another thing that many of my earlier posts have been deleted when the forum was hacked or something of that sort happened to it.


    No, archived.  Afro

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #23 - February 26, 2010, 03:01 PM

    Its another thing that many of my earlier posts have been deleted when the forum was hacked or something of that sort happened to it.

    They are archived here: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/weaponstestingrange/index.php?action=profile;u=181;sa=showPosts Wink

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  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #24 - February 28, 2010, 10:07 PM

    What are these archives you speak of? and why can't I access them? it says "user name doesn't exist" !
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #25 - February 28, 2010, 10:59 PM

    I got the same problem.
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #26 - February 28, 2010, 11:04 PM

    @BD, maybe you and I are the outcasts of the forum and we don't even know it  grin12
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #27 - February 28, 2010, 11:04 PM

     Cheesy
  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #28 - February 28, 2010, 11:05 PM

    No, you guys weren't even born yet back then. Wink

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  • Re: Sikh campaigners threaten legal fight over 2011 census
     Reply #29 - February 28, 2010, 11:12 PM

    lol
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