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OP - March 01, 2010, 02:59 PM

A response by orgolioitalia1. Not 100% sure what he is saying - but I think he is saying God sent all the prophets to the Middle East because it's the centre of the world and thus best suited to taking the message to all mankind.

The best thing about this video is the music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_9D5OnMFIg
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Reply #1 - March 01, 2010, 03:02 PM

This is from the video's info panel - sounds a bit Kopesque (he I invented a new word for the dictionary )

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Ridiculous, Atheism is a universal negative position which we all know is 100% impossible to prove.
There is no evidence that supports the non existence of God. The Atheistic position is based on simple abstract possibility. Illogical and 100% intellectually indefensible.
In order to make the claim "there is no God" necessitates that? one would have to have complete and absolute knowledge of the entire universe (omniscience).
There is evidence for God that leaves the Atheist dumbfounded.
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Reply #2 - March 01, 2010, 03:03 PM

And this is the video he is responding to incase anyone hasn't seen it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TeKcFUbKIA
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Reply #3 - March 01, 2010, 03:39 PM

The middle east is the center of the world?
Like in the core?

The rest is pink unicorn fsm stuff

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Reply #4 - March 01, 2010, 03:44 PM

In fact that is the video which forced me to read many of your posts and watch some of your tubes dear Hassan., And that is the videos I remember recommending to some one who asked me about Prophets of Islam., I am going to comment on the video "As A Muslim" but let me put some comments of Muslim folks posted in that video..

http://www.youtube.com/user/YoungYemeni

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YoungYemeni says : Its all good, you keep your own thoughts to yourself, we'll practice our religion peacefully. Its the way we live.

revamusicgroup: Jihad, means the way of living, in muslim contacts mean the way of living in the way of Islam. The prophet, like other prophet from diff religions not only deals with religion, but also politics. Making things better for muslims and non-muslim alike.This is a way of life that our last prophets and i guess other religion did for us all. To strive for better for the followers and ALSO the non followers. You should read on SALADIN for a change

Mahmood42978: Show You're afraid of Islam's truth., hence why you live in denial of what your Talmud says is not the same as whatever Muhammad (saw) taught

Mahmood42978: No, you're a liar and it's lying that makes a coward.

The main idea in Islam is Monotheism; God doesn't have a physical body, and isn't like humans

But even Talmuds says that His body is like Humans

Clearly Muhammad(saw) never copied

if you can show me ONE example I will change my mind

out of 900 so comments., Only the comments of Muslims are readable .. rest of the crowd is running mad with filthy words against Islam.

That tells me something.. anyway thank you for that video Hassan.,

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Reply #5 - March 01, 2010, 03:46 PM

Yeah, the whole 'middle east is the centre of the world' is just ethnocentricity to a ridiculous degree.

For a start, what about all the sages and gurus from India and China?

Just desperately silly.

(Islam is true because the middle east was like the international airport at Dubai basically an airport hub )

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Reply #6 - March 01, 2010, 03:55 PM

Even if the assertion that the mideast is the central nexus which would be best to transmit Allah's message is true.. it still doesn't explain why God would limit himself to the middle east. What reason is there for Allah not to send an important monotheistic prophet to China or India.. areas which pretty much consist of a huge chunk of humanity (in the past and present) and two areas of the world still pretty much 'pagan' or disbelievers. If Allah is really paying attention to the demographics simply TWO prominent prophets sent to China and India would have far greaters impact in "saving" humanity than a dozen in the mideast.

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Reply #7 - March 01, 2010, 04:02 PM

Iblis, its just part of the whole thing of trying to rationalise the universal truth claims that Islam makes. It makes it really ridiculous - all post facto justification.

And all this 'prophets from the middle east' is arrogant, as though there were no religious figures or sages outside that of the 'Abrahamic' world - where does Buddha fit into this ethnocentric scheme? Its just silly.

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Reply #8 - March 01, 2010, 04:03 PM

Quote from: billy on March 01, 2010, 04:02 PM
Iblis, its just part of the whole thing of trying to rationalise the universal truth claims that Islam makes. It makes it really ridiculous - all post facto justification.

And all this 'prophets from the middle east' is arrogant, as though there were no religious figures or sages outside that of the 'Abrahamic' world - where does Buddha fit into this ethnocentric scheme? Its just silly.

Buddha never preached tawhid. Therefore he's a useless kafir idiot - according to the musulman way of thinking that is.

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Reply #9 - March 01, 2010, 04:04 PM

Oh and don't forget Confucius, another kufr spreading imbecile.

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Reply #10 - March 01, 2010, 04:09 PM

Quote from: Iblis on March 01, 2010, 03:55 PM

Quote from: Iblis on March 01, 2010, 03:55 PM
it still doesn't explain why God would limit himself to the middle east. What reason is there for Allah not to send an important monotheistic prophet to China or India.. areas which pretty much consist of a huge chunk of humanity (in the past and present) and two areas of the world still pretty much 'pagan' or disbelievers.

an important monotheistic prophet to China or India.. areas which pretty much consist of a huge chunk of humanity (in the past and present) and two areas of the world still pretty much 'pagan' or disbelievers.

It is not true that allah only send monotheistic prophets to middle east, as per verse in koran every nation was sent a messenger at some point in time.

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Reply #11 - March 01, 2010, 04:11 PM

Yeah the Quran says a whole lot of bullshit. I'm talking about reality. How come there are no records of these supposed prophets that Allah sent to every part of mankind? How come there isn't a single piece of evidence for this idiotic claim?

EDIT: And good job at failing at quote tags

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Reply #12 - March 01, 2010, 04:12 PM

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It is not true that allah only send monotheistic prophets to middle east, as per verse in koran every nation was sent a messenger at some point in time.

Hey! That's great! That means Muslim can claim that Buddha was a Muslim too

Muslims have a win - win answer for everything, no wonder Islam is the best.

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Reply #13 - March 01, 2010, 04:13 PM

Quote from: Iblis on March 01, 2010, 04:11 PM
Yeah the Quran says a whole lot of bullshit. I'm talking about reality. How come there are not records of these supposed prophets that Allah sent to every part of mankind? How come there isn't a single piece of evidence for this idiotic claim?

Like I said above, its just a piece of cover so that Muslims like Asif can contextualise every single spiritual or philosophical figure outside the insular chamber of Islam as actually being part of the continuum of Islam.

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Reply #14 - March 01, 2010, 04:16 PM

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It is not true that allah only send monotheistic prophets to middle east ,as per verse in koran every nation was sent a messenger at some point in time.

That is very bald statement with no hair on the head and nothing inside it dear asif..

what are the nations and who are those prophets? And why few words on them were not revealed when we have tons of repetitive gibberish in it?

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Reply #15 - March 01, 2010, 04:18 PM

Quote from: Iblis on March 01, 2010, 04:11 PM
Yeah the Quran says a whole lot of bullshit. I'm talking about reality[/i]. How come there are no records of these supposed prophets that Allah sent to every part of mankind?

Records are not important,whats important is the divine message they brought to their peoples.

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Reply #16 - March 01, 2010, 04:21 PM

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Records are not important,whats important is the divine message they brought to their peoples.

But they were all subservient to and leading up to the message of Mo and the religion of Islam, right? After which, there is no more. Right?

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Reply #17 - March 01, 2010, 04:39 PM

Quote from: asif on March 01, 2010, 04:18 PM
Records are not important,whats important is the divine message they brought to their peoples.

But how can you know the "divine message they brought to their peoples" when you have no evidence that they even existed!

Look, the Quran and Muslims are making a claim about supposed prophets sent to all parts of the world... either PROVE IT or admit that the Quran is making shit up and making baseless claims.

So what? Where is the evidence for these prophets?

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Reply #18 - March 01, 2010, 05:59 PM

Quote from: Iblis on March 01, 2010, 03:55 PM
Even if the assertion that the mideast is the central nexus which would be best to transmit Allah's message is true.. it still doesn't explain why God would limit himself to the middle east. What reason is there for Allah not to send an important monotheistic prophet to China or India.. areas which pretty much consist of a huge chunk of humanity (in the past and present) and two areas of the world still pretty much 'pagan' or disbelievers. If Allah is really paying attention to the demographics simply TWO prominent prophets sent to China and India would have far greaters impact in "saving" humanity than a dozen in the mideast.

And it contradicts what the Qur'an says that Allah sent a prophet to "every people" (It seems Allah didn't know there was a world beyond the Middle East - Allah clearly didn't get out much.)
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Reply #19 - March 01, 2010, 06:05 PM

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It seems Allah didn't know there was a world beyond the Middle East - Allah clearly didn't get out much

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Reply #20 - March 01, 2010, 06:06 PM

Someone should have told him, hey Big Al, don't forget, its all in the details! Stop creating that galaxy and cosmos, just remember, there's more to Earth than the middle-east, yo.

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Reply #21 - March 01, 2010, 06:18 PM

Quote from: Hassan on March 01, 2010, 05:59 PM
And it contradicts what the Qur'an says that Allah sent a prophet to "every people" (It seems Allah didn't know there was a world beyond the Middle East - Allah clearly didn't get out much.)

Even when you read the Quran and it talks about "Jews, Christians and Sabeans" its so damned obvious that whoever wrote the Quran had a very limited knowledge of world religions. Why no mention of buddhists? Hindus? If the Quran is the word of Allah it should address at least one of the major religions of Asia or Europe.. why just the ones in immediate vincinity of the Arabians? Obviously the knowledge of the Quran is limited by the knowledge of it's writers...

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Reply #22 - March 01, 2010, 06:37 PM

Yep, the God of Abraham was a very parochial God.

I was watching a TV program about St Paul yesterday and one of the early Christian writers rejected the Old Testament as part of the Christian Canon on the basis that the God of the Jews was 'their local' god and had nothing to do with the more 'universal' God that Paul preached.
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Reply #23 - March 01, 2010, 06:41 PM

Quote from: Iblis on March 01, 2010, 06:18 PM
Even when you read the Quran and it talks about "Jews, Christians and Sabeans" its so damned obvious that whoever wrote the Quran had a very limited knowledge of world religions. Why no mention of buddhists? Hindus? If the Quran is the word of Allah it should address at least one of the major religions of Asia or Europe.. why just the ones in immediate vincinity of the Arabians? Obviously the knowledge of the Quran is limited by the knowledge of it's writers...

Ive never thought of it like that before - it goes to show Mo's ambitions were always restricted to Arabia. The caliphs extended the borders.

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Reply #24 - March 01, 2010, 09:59 PM

Quote from: Iblis on March 01, 2010, 04:39 PM
Look, the Quran and Muslims are making a claim about supposed prophets sent to all parts of the world... either PROVE IT or admit that the Quran is making shit up and making baseless claims.

As per some traditions allah sent 124,000 prophets to the world.Around 20-30 prophets are mentioned in quran.The
Quote from: Iblis on March 01, 2010, 06:18 PM
Why no mention of buddhists? Hindus?

Do hindu and budhist scriptures mention islam,christianty,judaism.The divide scriptures are meant for guidance and are not supposed to be history books.

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Reply #25 - March 01, 2010, 10:01 PM

That is so stupid. I have heard people saying, like it is some sort of miracle, that Mecca is at the centre of the world. The middle east is only close to the centre of the world if you look at the modern standard eurocentric world map. And even then, it is the Congo that is at the centre, not the middle east!

You can point at anywhere on Earth and then draw a map around that to show it at the centre of the Earth!

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Reply #26 - March 01, 2010, 10:22 PM

Quote from: asif on March 01, 2010, 09:59 PM
As per some traditions allah sent 124,000 prophets to the world.Around 20-30 prophets are mentioned in quran.The Do hindu and budhist scriptures mention islam,christianty,judaism.The divide scriptures are meant for guidance and are not supposed to be history books.

Those religions don't make universal truth claims about how humanity is placed in a continuum towards them as the one true faith and religion. Islam does.

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Reply #27 - March 01, 2010, 10:24 PM

Quote from: asif on March 01, 2010, 09:59 PM
As per some traditions allah sent 124,000 prophets to the world.Around 20-30 prophets are mentioned in quran.The

That is not proof. You are just restating the claim that needs proving. Please provide proof of these monotheistic preachers. So far the Quran's claim is baseless without any shred of evidence. The record of various gurus and preachers in India is quite complete. How come we have no records of any monotheistic preacher there proclaiming the monotheism the Quran espouses?

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Do hindu and budhist scriptures mention islam,christianty,judaism.The divide scriptures are meant for guidance and are not supposed to be history books.

Of course the hindu and buddhist scriptures don't mention Islam/Christianity/Judaism.. that's because those scriptures are written by men of limited knowledge. Just like the Quran. The Quran only mentions Jews, Christians, and Sabeans because Muhammad only knew of those religions, as was common knowledge of the Arabs. The Quran is clearly bound by the limited knowledge of it's writer(s).

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Reply #28 - March 01, 2010, 10:33 PM

First of all......

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Secondly, yes, Iblis, what a great point - the Quran is bound by the limited knowledge and understanding of the men who wrote it. It is a very parochial, provincial text in that sense. The claims of sixty billion prophets or whatever being sent to scratch their chins in every place is just baloney to try and render some mythical universal cohesion to Mo's supposed universal mission

Oh, and once again, kope

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Reply #29 - March 01, 2010, 10:36 PM

Haha, you just noticed my kope quote? That man is a brilliant. Troll of the century. I follow the sunnah of kope.

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