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  • The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     OP - March 28, 2010, 07:37 AM

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    The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
    by Betwa Sharma

    Ignoring the prohibition of nudity, Muslim artists—many of them women—are now defying religious tenets by painting naked models in pinup poses. VIEW OUR GALLERY.

    One of Hanan Tabbara’s most provocative sketches is a charcoal and pastel drawing of blood pouring out of a woman’s vagina. She made it after a close friend was raped, and later uploaded it as her Facebook profile picture. For two years now, the 20-year-old, political science student from Brooklyn has been drawing nudes. “I’m aware that it is prohibited but it doesn't bother me,” Tabbara says.

    While the Koran does not specifically ban nude art, the almost universal opinion of religious leaders is that Islam forbids it. However, a handful of Muslim artists have been daring to depict nudity. “This leads to moral consequences that are against Islam,” says Imam Shamsi Ali, the leader of the Islamic Cultural Center of New York. “There is no justification to say it is allowed in the name of art.”

    The prohibition principally stems from the taboo against entertaining sexual thoughts that a naked figure might provoke. In this light, Imam Ali also explains that it is “not desirable” for Muslims to view nude paintings, even if they are considered masterpieces. “Islam sees the harms of such exposure outweighing its benefits,” he says. “An artist can have an important message in his work without drawing nudes.”

    Tabbara, whose family is originally from Lebanon, balances God with her passion for painting. “There are so many rules, social and political, that it would be debilitating for any artist,” she says, admitting openly to have worked with naked models.

    Many Muslim students take classes in art school that require them to draw naked models. Shiite religious scholar Muhsin Alidina advises against these courses since, under Islam, women can only show their face, wrists, hands and feet, while men need to keep the area between their waists and knees covered. “The idea is to prevent base desires from being aroused,” he says.

    Nude modeling even in the West, however, is only a recent phenomenon. Anne Higonnet, an art historian at Barnard College, explains that the practice declined after the fall of the Roman Empire, reemerging briefly during the Renaissance and then being revived in 17th-century European art academies where most of the posing was done by working-class women or prostitutes. The debate of whether female artists could work with nude models persisted until the end of the 19th century.

    Higonnet points out that the stigma against nudity even lasted into the 20th century as critics debated Picasso’s depiction of five prostitutes in his now-classic 1907 work Les Demoiselles d'Avignon. “They’re supposed to signal the dangers of sexuality,” she says.

    But Hala Shoukair, 53, had no hangups sketching from models at the Sorbonne in Paris, during the 1970s. “The only connection was between me and pencil… I was not thinking about whether God was looking down at me and saying 'Hala don’t do this,'” she says.

    The Lebanese-born artist, who now lives in New York, insists that the taboo stems from a conservative society and not the religion. “We live in the Dark Ages right now, where everything is forbidden but it was not always like this and it will change again.”

    Nada Shabout, a professor of Islamic art at the University of North Texas, agrees that Islam never took a formal position on nudity in art, and what is perceived as a religious ban is actually a cultural taboo imposed by a conservative society. “Keep Islam out of this discourse; it's different people saying different things at different times,” she says, warning that the guise of a holy prohibition has created a great deal of misunderstanding in society.

    The professor explains that no explicit ban was really required because religious leaders, very early on, barred the painting of life-like human portraits, fearing idol-worship, and the present controversy surfaced only in the 20th century when European-styled art schools popped up in the Middle East.

    A 40-year-old artist, Khalid Al Tahmazi, based in Bahrain, who has done a few semi-nude paintings, wants religious leaders to stop fixating on the subject of the painting and focus on its message. “We now don't make those pictures to worship; we just make them as expressing our thoughts and feelings,” he says.

    All the same, nude paintings have appeared throughout Islamic history, according to art historian Zainab Bahrani at Columbia University, especially in manuscript illumination. “It’s not common but it does exist,” she says, clarifying that nudity for the sake of nudity isn’t permitted. “In the context of a narrative or a story, it has been possible.”

    Even now, the fewer instances of nude art and photography cause only a mild headache to the clergy, who are more preoccupied with Muslim youth’s exposure to pornography. Imam Ali doubts that the future will give way to any change in the rules. “Islam guards against going down the wrong path,” he says.

    The reason for rejecting nudity in the West, for very long, was also more cultural than religious, according Higonnet. “It has primarily been a social unease tinged with a very old Christian discomfort with the pleasure of the body,” she says. “All cultures around the world for large parts of their history have felt very nervous about this. It’s not just Islam.”

    Four years ago, the Indian artist Maqbool Fida Husain, a Muslim, was chased out of the country by death threats from Hindu fundamentalists and hundreds of legal cases that accused him of hurting public sentiments for drawing Hindu goddesses in the nude.

    “Nudity, in Hindu culture, is a metaphor for purity,” Husain said in a recent interview with Tehelka, an Indian weekly. But public opinion in the country remains divided as the 95-year-old artist felt compelled to relinquish his Indian passport and become a citizen of Qatar.

    Today, artists painting nudes expose themselves to threats and censure from the larger community, which causes their families a great deal of anxiety. Tabbara, who is planning her first public exhibition, has ignored her mother’s pleas to “modulate the nudity.” “She expects me not to do it, but she accepts it,” Tabbara says. “My father has always been supportive.”

    On the other hand, 67-year-old Amir Normandie’s mother, back in Tehran, is adamantly against his nude photography. “You won’t be able to change the world so why do you create animosity and make enemies,” she berates her son.

    This Chicago-based photographer had his exhibition closed due to intense protests from Muslim students at Harper College in Illinois. “You believe that your work is protected by the freedom of speech,” says Normandie. “But it is removed the same way it would be in Iran or in the Middle East.”

    His series Hejab portrays Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei, doing a tango with a veiled semi-nude figure. “The clerics in Iran forced Iran and the women of Iran to a tango,” says Normandie, who has used his work to criticize the Iranian regime for what he perceives as the complete subjugation of women.

    Another Iranian artist, Makan Emdai, has used his work to ridicule the objectification of women both in the West and their repression in the East. A series called Islamo-erotica depicts women wearing long black dresses in revealing pinup poses. The paintings include a female exposing her bottom while sitting in a martini glass, one straddling a gun, and another with her skirt blowing up, a la Marilyn Monroe.

    “It is about sexism everywhere,” says Emadi, who is based in Los Angeles. “On one side of the world sexuality is a common selling point and in another it is denied.”

    Both Iranian-American artists have considered the possibility of a fatwa being issued against them but so far have only been inundated with hate mail.

    Despite being in the Middle East, Al Tahmazi has managed to avoid the kind of wrath his American counterparts have faced. “In Bahrain, the audience who attends art exhibitions are kinda liberated and have no objections,” he says. “Religious leaders don't see these paintings, and if they do, then they'll probably make trouble.”

    While Normandie has asked the Chicago police for protection, Emadi relies on his carefully guarded obscurity but still isn’t oblivious to the danger. “Do I want to be the next Salman Rushdie, of course not… so far so good,” he says.

    --------

    Betwa Sharma is the New York/United Nations correspondent for the Press Trust of India. She blogs for the Huffington Post and is also a freelance journalist. Her work has appeared in several publications, including Time.com, The Global Post, The Indian Express, The Hindustan Times, Frontline, and Columbia Journalism Review.


    Source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-03-25/the-rise-of-islamo-erotica/full/#

    Check out some of the images on the site - kinda interesting. Art FTW  grin12

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #1 - March 28, 2010, 08:13 AM

    Pushing the boundaries. I like it.  Wink

    Nice pictures too!
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #2 - March 28, 2010, 08:13 AM

    You got the best one.  Cheesy

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #3 - March 28, 2010, 08:22 AM

    One time in Iraq I got a porno vcd from some shop, and it was just a bunch of girls in Niqabs sticking shoes up their woo-woos.

    I dont know what possessed me to mention this.


    Quick Edit:
    anyway, as far as actual nudity goes....it is natural, What is miscalled modesty is a perverse human invention.
    As Mark Twain so well put it:

    Quote
    All have entered the world naked, unashamed, and clean in mind. They have entered it modest. They had to acquire immodesty and the soiled mind; there was no other way to get it. A Christian mother's first duty is to soil her child's mind, and she does not neglect it. Her lad grows up to be a missionary, and goes to the innocent savage and to the civilized Japanese, and soils their minds. Whereupon they adopt immodesty, they conceal their bodies, they stop bathing naked together.

    The convention miscalled modesty has no standard, and cannot have one, because it is opposed to nature and reason, and is therefore an artificiality and subject to anybody's whim, anybody's diseased caprice. And so, in India the refined lady covers her face and breasts and leaves her legs naked from the hips down, while the refined European lady covers her legs and exposes her face and her breasts. In lands inhabited by the innocent savage the refined European lady soon gets used to full-grown native stark-nakedness, and ceases to be offended by it. A highly cultivated French count and countess -- unrelated to each other -- who were marooned in their nightclothes, by shipwreck, upon an uninhabited island in the eighteenth century, were soon naked. Also ashamed -- for a week. After that their nakedness did not trouble them, and they soon ceased to think about it.


    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #4 - March 28, 2010, 08:25 AM

     Cheesy
    We sure have weirdos in Iraq. Fuck the first year into the War, street vendors were selling porn publicly. I remember them yelling "filim sixy 500 dinar" !
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #5 - March 28, 2010, 08:25 AM

    Thanks for sharing.  whistling2

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #6 - March 28, 2010, 08:27 AM

    Cheesy
    We sure have weirdos in Iraq. Fuck the first year into the War, street vendors were selling porn publicly. I remember them yelling "filim sixy 500 dinar" !


    Ficky Ficky Mister.

    I used to love going to this one sheiks house, because he would always have the 'hot lebanese chicks dancing' channel on the TV.
    I got to find them somewhere, I still have a ton of VCDs with crazy Kurdish pop music videos.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #7 - March 28, 2010, 09:25 AM

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-03-25/the-rise-of-islamo-erotica/full/#gallery=1406;page=1

    Good Blog from that lady dear allat, A link  from the link of your post telling that "Muslim Women in the next 10 years WILL BREAK THE BACK OF ISLAMIC DONKEY"
    Thank you for the link.. Good paintings.. Good stuff from a Muslim lady..






    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #8 - March 28, 2010, 08:45 PM

    Positive progression.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #9 - March 28, 2010, 08:49 PM



     dance

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #10 - March 28, 2010, 09:04 PM

    reminds me of a Diego Rivera style painting

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #11 - April 25, 2010, 11:38 PM

    Ignoring the prohibition of nudity, Muslim artists—many of them women—are now defying religious tenets by painting naked models in pinup poses. VIEW OUR GALLERY.

    One of Hanan Tabbara’s most provocative sketches is a charcoal and pastel drawing of blood pouring out of a woman’s vagina. She made it after a close friend was raped, and later uploaded it as her Facebook profile picture. For two years now, the 20-year-old, political science student from Brooklyn has been drawing nudes. “I’m aware that it is prohibited but it doesn't bother me,” Tabbara says.

    While the Koran does not specifically ban nude art, the almost universal opinion of religious leaders is that Islam forbids it. However, a handful of Muslim artists have been daring to depict nudity. “This leads to moral consequences that are against Islam,” says Imam Shamsi Ali, the leader of the Islamic Cultural Center of New York. “There is no justification to say it is allowed in the name of art.”

    The prohibition principally stems from the taboo against entertaining sexual thoughts that a naked figure might provoke. In this light, Imam Ali also explains that it is “not desirable” for Muslims to view nude paintings, even if they are considered masterpieces. “Islam sees the harms of such exposure outweighing its benefits,” he says. “An artist can have an important message in his work without drawing nudes.”

    Tabbara, whose family is originally from Lebanon, balances God with her passion for painting. “There are so many rules, social and political, that it would be debilitating for any artist,” she says, admitting openly to have worked with naked models.

    Rest of article and gallery
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #12 - April 25, 2010, 11:55 PM

    thread merged.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #13 - April 26, 2010, 12:19 AM

    Well my post is useless now, might as well just have deleted it. Tongue

    Sorry, didn't see that it was posted before.
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #14 - April 26, 2010, 12:56 AM

    Thanks for sharing, allat!   dance

    Personally I have always found the religious position on base desires, or even desire at all to be inherantly against nature.   I do believe that there have got to be limits in society by to completely prohibit ANYTHING which may evenlead to sexual desires of any kind, like in Islam, is one of the major causes for the social dysfunction between the genders and other issues in theses cultures/societies.

    Oh, and contrary to many people appearantly I found some of those images somewhat arousing.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #15 - April 27, 2010, 06:44 PM

    Haha....awesome!  Cheesy

    At least they have their hijabs on, so they aren't breaking any rules lol

    It is not the way you live your life that is important, it is how well you enjoy it that matters.
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #16 - January 05, 2012, 05:13 PM

    This thread is gold, great link Afro

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #17 - January 06, 2012, 09:04 AM

    Whilst it's great and all that a few artists are breaking their own personal boundaries, it's wrong of them to try to misinterpret the religion in order to call themselves muslims whilst breaking an Islamic law.

    The fact is it was not a bunch of conservative muslims of a particular era who 'changed' the way art was viewed,  UNLESS you are a quran only muslim, in which case you can happily do art.  If you are a hadith muslim then it is about as clear as it can get.  Mo would leave the room if there was a lifelike depiction on the wall, or a pillow, or wherever.  

    Then to try to be sneaky and say "well the ban wasn't on nude art per se, just on life like art".....well come on.  That is like muslim gay men who try so hard to ignore the fact that Islam is anti homosexuality.  It's stupid.

    I wanted to be a fantasy writer, this is considered something that would take a person away from their religion, and confuse people since I would naturally talk about haram things, like other gods, and other creatures.  Islam frowns upon telling lies even as a joke, let alone spinning a tale.

    You didn't see me in my desperation trying to act like there was some misinterpretation going on and somehow Islam was cool with me being a fantasy writer.  It just is how it is.

    I just wish these people would let go and accept that if the religion states something is not allowed, it isn't, and leave Islam.

    I know its not that simple for some.  Just wish it could be you know?

    I mean all the more power to them for being progressive and strong enough to carry on anyway, but the leaps of lies one needs to make to do it their way, that's where it goes wrong.  

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #18 - January 06, 2012, 09:25 AM

    Whilst it's great and all that a few artists are breaking their own personal boundaries, it's wrong of them to try to misinterpret the religion in order to call themselves muslims whilst breaking an Islamic law.

    The fact is it was not a bunch of conservative muslims of a particular era who 'changed' the way art was viewed,  UNLESS you are a quran only muslim, in which case you can happily do art.  If you are a hadith muslim then it is about as clear as it can get.  Mo would leave the room if there was a lifelike depiction on the wall, or a pillow, or wherever.  

    Then to try to be sneaky and say "well the ban wasn't on nude art per se, just on life like art".....well come on.  That is like muslim gay men who try so hard to ignore the fact that Islam is anti homosexuality.  It's stupid.

    I wanted to be a fantasy writer, this is considered something that would take a person away from their religion, and confuse people since I would naturally talk about haram things, like other gods, and other creatures.  Islam frowns upon telling lies even as a joke, let alone spinning a tale.

    You didn't see me in my desperation trying to act like there was some misinterpretation going on and somehow Islam was cool with me being a fantasy writer.  It just is how it is.

    I just wish these people would let go and accept that if the religion states something is not allowed, it isn't, and leave Islam.

    I know its not that simple for some.  Just wish it could be you know?

    I mean all the more power to them for being progressive and strong enough to carry on anyway, but the leaps of lies one needs to make to do it their way, that's where it goes wrong.  


    Afro

    Took the thoughts out of my head.

    May I also add.. something a bit off topic.. that Islam can be pretty strange ( Cheesy who knew?) because another thing when it comes to nudity is that supposedly, on the Day of judgment when all humans are walking towards their fate, side by side in a huge crowd, they will do so naked. But supposedly they will be so caught up in thinking about other important matters (lol, ie that present moment of their ultimate fate) that the nude/sexual factor would not even factor in.

    Ummmm, okay.  wacko
    Just strange stuff to hear muslims discuss, in detail, what will happen to the human race after we die... with such conviction too. The angels, the horns blowing, the state of the Earth.

    Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #19 - January 06, 2012, 09:44 AM

    I know right. 

    Yet if I was to stand there and tell them what happened to me and my siblings when we stepped through that wardrobe and had tea with a satyr and defeated the ice queen, no one would believe me. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #20 - January 06, 2012, 09:58 AM

    I know right. 

    Yet if I was to stand there and tell them what happened to me and my siblings when we stepped through that wardrobe and had tea with a satyr and defeated the ice queen, no one would believe me. 


    WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DEFEAT HER (NSFW)

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  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #21 - January 06, 2012, 09:35 PM

    WTF did I just click there harakaat Cheesy

    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: The Rise of Islamo-Erotica
     Reply #22 - January 06, 2012, 09:52 PM

    He is getting more hungry for cunninlingus Grin

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
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