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 Topic: Morality can be changed with a zap!!

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  • Morality can be changed with a zap!!
     OP - March 31, 2010, 01:01 PM

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    Scientists have found a surprising link between magnets and morality. A person's moral judgments can be changed almost instantly by delivering a magnetic pulse to an area of the brain near the right ear, according to a study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

    People in the study read stories designed to produce moral judgments. One such story begins with a woman named Grace putting powder in her friend's coffee. After that, the story can go in several different directions.

    In one version, Grace believes she's putting sugar in her friend's coffee. But it turns out to be poison and her friend dies. In another version, Grace believes she's putting poison in the coffee but it turns out to be sugar and her friend is fine.

    People who hear these stories generally forgive Grace for unwittingly poisoning her friend, says Liane Young, a researcher in the Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. And, she says, they usually condemn Grace for the failed attempt to do harm.

    "We judge people not just for what they do, but what they're thinking at the time of their action, what they're intending," Young says. But, she says, a brief magnetic pulse was able to change that.

    Back To Childhood Morality

    Young and her colleagues used a technique called transcranial magnetic stimulation, or TMS, to temporarily decrease activity in an area of the brain called the right temporoparietal junction. It's near the surface of the brain, above and behind the right ear, and it seems to helps us decipher another person's beliefs.

    Twenty volunteers got TMS before or during the time they were listening to stories like the one about Grace and the coffee. The stimulation caused people to pay less attention to Grace's intention and more attention to the outcome, Young says.

    "If no harm was done, then subjects would judge [Grace's behavior] as OK," she says, even if the story made it clear Grace was trying to poison her friend. That's the sort of moral judgment you often see in kids who are 3 or 4 years old, Young says.

    Studies show that at this age, children will usually say a child who breaks five teacups accidentally is naughtier than a child who breaks one teacup on purpose, she says. That's probably because their brains are still developing the ability to understand the intentions of other people.

    Moral Judgment: 'Just A Brain Process'?

    The fact that scientists can adjust morality with a magnet may be disconcerting to people who view morality as a lofty and immutable human trait, says Joshua Greene, psychologist at Harvard University. But that view isn't accurate, he says.

    "Moral judgment is just a brain process," he says. "That's precisely why it's possible for these researchers to influence it using electromagnetic pulses on the surface of the brain."

    The new study is really part of a much larger effort by scientists to explain how the brain creates moral judgments, Greene says. The scientists are trying to take concepts such as morality, which philosophers once attributed to the human soul, and "break it down in mechanical terms."

    If something as complex as morality has a mechanical explanation, Green says, it will be hard to argue that people have, or need, a soul.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125304448


    Wow.  Fascinating stuff.

    Not that I believe morality is to do with god or the soul, but I did think it was more about the character of the person.  It's amazing that a simple magnetic pulse can change the ability to make the moral judgements that you would have made earlier.   mysmilie_977

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  • Re: Morality can be changed with a zap!!
     Reply #1 - March 31, 2010, 01:08 PM

    "Moral judgment is just a brain process,"

    That's quite obvious to someone who doesn't habour superstitious beliefs. You're not wrong in saying that morality is linked to a persons character Berbs, it all relies on complex brain chemistry that takes into account many factors. However changing brain chemistry will change the person, therefore changing their choices.
  • Re: Morality can be changed with a zap!!
     Reply #2 - March 31, 2010, 01:15 PM

    "Moral judgment is just a brain process,"

    That's quite obvious to someone who doesn't habour superstitious beliefs. You're not wrong in saying that morality is linked to a persons character Berbs, it all relies on complex brain chemistry that takes into account many factors. However changing brain chemistry will change the person, therefore changing their choices.


    I sort of knew that vaguely in the back of my mind somewhere, but never really gave it much thought.  It's really interesting to know that who I am, my personality, the moral choices I make, can be changed from the outside and without my willingness, I mean in the way that something went wrong and my brain chemistry changed for whatever reason, I just wouldn't be me anymore.

    *having a WOW  mysmilie_977 moment here, don't mind me*

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  • Re: Morality can be changed with a zap!!
     Reply #3 - March 31, 2010, 01:17 PM

    *having a WOW  mysmilie_977 moment here, don't mind me*

    You on the wacky backy again  whistling2

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  • Re: Morality can be changed with a zap!!
     Reply #4 - March 31, 2010, 01:21 PM

    Not today, no Grin , this is natural berb's having a wow moment, if it was stoned me, the wow moment would need to be verbally shared with a few phonecalls, that start off the same way all my friends take the piss out of "Did you know........."  parrot

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  • Re: Morality can be changed with a zap!!
     Reply #5 - March 31, 2010, 01:25 PM

    I find my wow moments are always so grouped together, that I get worried I will forget them.  Thisn turn causes its own stress, which causes me to forget them.

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  • Re: Morality can be changed with a zap!!
     Reply #6 - March 31, 2010, 01:47 PM

    I sort of knew that vaguely in the back of my mind somewhere, but never really gave it much thought.  It's really interesting to know that who I am, my personality, the moral choices I make, can be changed from the outside and without my willingness, I mean in the way that something went wrong and my brain chemistry changed for whatever reason, I just wouldn't be me anymore.

    *having a WOW  mysmilie_977 moment here, don't mind me*

    It's not much different from brain damage Tongue At least this one is temporary Wink

    Drugs change the way you behave, so does many everyday life stuff. It's not that strange when you think about it. The above article has just found another way to change our behaviour, hopefully this type of technology doesn't get abused one day. That's probably the scariest part.
  • Re: Morality can be changed with a zap!!
     Reply #7 - March 31, 2010, 01:52 PM

    True.  It's probably more that I never gave this much thought, I know about brain damage, drugs and all that stuff, but it took this article to link it all together to say "Oh yea, bingo"  wacko

    I'm more worried about this http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112531962&ps=rs being abused, and I think I would contemplate using this tech myself, not sure I'd do it, but I'd certainly think about it.

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  • Re: Morality can be changed with a zap!!
     Reply #8 - March 31, 2010, 02:04 PM

    This is reminds me of the movie Serenity, I hope it never comes down to that.
  • Re: Morality can be changed with a zap!!
     Reply #9 - March 31, 2010, 09:33 PM

    It's not much different from brain damage Tongue At least this one is temporary Wink

    Drugs change the way you behave, so does many everyday life stuff. It's not that strange when you think about it. The above article has just found another way to change our behaviour, hopefully this type of technology doesn't get abused one day. That's probably the scariest part.

    Yes, that's the part that worries me. The fact that this occurs is not that surprising as it is basically stunning a part of the brain that makes advanced judgements. It's not a problem unless people decide to use it deliberately to affect other people's thoughts.

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