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  • Question: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
  • Yes, Islam alone represents a threat to Humanity. - 6 (15.4%)
  • Yes, and I think Other religions should be Destroyed too! - 10 (25.6%)
  • No, I think that we should just oppose those doctrines we find unacceptable! - 22 (56.4%)
  • No, I think Islam is just fine - it's all the fault of bad Muslims - 1 (2.6%)
  • Total Voters: 39

 Topic: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?

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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #120 - April 01, 2010, 05:56 PM
    I dont think its for me, but users here might want to start a COEM Paltalk group, if such a thing is possible..
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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #121 - April 01, 2010, 06:07 PM
    that wouldnt be a bad idea
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #122 - April 01, 2010, 06:21 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on April 01, 2010, 05:45 PM
    Is it like chatroulette? because I have had some bad experiences with that. 

    Do tell!!!
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #123 - April 01, 2010, 06:53 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 01, 2010, 05:04 PM
    @IslamicMythology - It's not up to you to interpret Islam the way you want. Their understanding of Islam is the correct one. (Sound familiar Wink )

    Sorry mate you are still a potential terrorist in the eyes of these guys.


    If you desire or understand that Islam seeks Islamic rule, in a small sense, you are already a terrorist to those who do not wish to be ruled by Islam, in that you are their enemy simply for that reason. The core doctrine of Islam is the insistence that Islam's law being the prevailing one. To not do everything you can to make this happen, is to not be a pious Muslim. When ever I ask whether Muslims must seek Islamic rule everywhere or not, Muslims always fall silent, because they know I'm speaking the truth. The terrorists are actually right and are the real Muslims.

    I have been made victorious through terror.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #124 - April 01, 2010, 06:56 PM
    You know if SnB, BinLyin, and the rest of these FFI extremists had been born Muslims they would definitely be hard-core Salafis or Hizbi followers.

    I think people are divided more along character types than nationality/race/beliefs/religion etc... People's imprint their own character on their religion/beliefs - and can turn whatever religion/belief in to something extreme and harsh - or benign and humane.

    All the years I was a Muslim I was exactly the same character I am now. If you met me then and met me now you wouldn't say I was any different except that I said my prayers, didn't drink or eat bacon etc... I never subscribed to extremist views and there is no way on earth I would have become a terrorist. It simply wasn't in my character. I have no doubt ppl like Abu Yunus, IslamMythology, Debunker and all the decent Muslims I know in real life are much the same.

    Sure, they stamp their own humanity on Islam - but that's what all people do to whatever religion/beliefs they have - their personality defines their beliefs and not the other way around.

    I think extremist, authoritarian, and fanatically obsessive character types are thankfully always in the minority - but they are basically the same no matter whether they are Muslim or non-Muslim and these FFI guys have exactly the same - hardline, extremist, "my way or the highway" - feel to them as the hardline Salafi types I used to debate on ummah.com.

    The irony!
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #125 - April 01, 2010, 07:03 PM
    Quote from: billy on April 01, 2010, 05:09 PM
    So we should discard liberal democracy? Are you calling for a dictatorship of some sort?




    I'm not calling for anything, I'm making the choices clear, rather than confusing them. Reality does not care about people's ideas and how intellectual they are, or how sensitive they are or how enlightened they are. I think it's already over at this point because the solutions to this problem are just too unsavory for us modern, non barbaric people. and so, the fate is sealed, as history has told us as well. It really would take some very radical action at this point to reverse this trend, and people such as yourself are simply not willing to do this. congratulations, I hope you love the Europe your children will live in. i hope you love when your grand kids go to school and are taught that your lifestyle and values were horrible.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #126 - April 01, 2010, 07:06 PM
    Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 06:53 PM
    If you desire or understand that Islam seeks Islamic rule, in a small sense, you are already a terrorist to those who do not wish to be ruled by Islam, in that you are their enemy simply for that reason. The core doctrine of Islam is the insistence that Islam's law being the prevailing one. To not do everything you can to make this happen, is to not be a pious Muslim. When ever I ask whether Muslims must seek Islamic rule everywhere or not, Muslims always fall silent, because they know I'm speaking the truth. The terrorists are actually right and are the real Muslims.

    I have been made victorious through terror.


    Thanks - I don't know anything about Islam - you will have to forgive me.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #127 - April 01, 2010, 07:14 PM
    paltalk was  Over react not pretty..
    i voted 2 even thou i lean slightly towards 3.. because 2 i feel is not as realistic... but still stand strong with 2!
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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #128 - April 01, 2010, 07:15 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 01, 2010, 06:56 PM
    You know if SnB, BinLyin, and the rest of these FFI extremists had been born Muslims they would definitely be hard-core Salafis or Hizbi followers
    Quote from: Hassan on April 01, 2010, 06:56 PM
    You know if SnB, BinLyin, and the rest of these FFI extremists had been born Muslims they would definitely be hard-core Salafis or Hizbi followers.

    I think people are divided more along character types than ideology. People's imprint their own character on their religion/beliefs - and can turn whatever religion/belief in to something extreme and harsh - or benign and humane.


    I'd like to think I've moved beyond religion and merely used it as a spring board.

    Quote from: Hassan on April 01, 2010, 06:56 PM
    All the years I was a Muslim I was exactly the same character I am now. If you met me then and met me now you wouldn't say I was any different except that I said my prayers, drink or eat bacon etc... I never subscribed to extremist views and there is no way on earth I would have become a terrorist. It simply wasn't in my character. I have no doubt ppl like Abu Yunus, IslamMythology, Debunker and all the good Muslims I know in real life are much the same.

    Sure, they stamp their own humanity on Islam - but that's what all people do to whatever religion/beliefs they have - their personality defines their beliefs and not the other way around.


    No, I think it's actually in the Quran, and not just their own stamp.

    Quote from: Hassan on April 01, 2010, 06:56 PM
    I think extremist, authoritarian, and fanatically obsessive character types are thankfully always in the minority - but they are basically the same no matter whether they are Muslim or non-Muslim and these FFI guys have exactly the same - hardline, extremist, "my way or the highway" - feel to them as the hardline Salafi types I used to debate on ummah.com.

    The irony!

    .

    Yes, it's the guys at FFI that are blowing up Mosques, not Muslims. Everybody knows how much guys at FFI love to scream Akllahu Akbar before they behead someone.


    Quote from: Hassan on April 01, 2010, 06:56 PM
    I think people are divided more along character types than ideology. People's imprint their own character on their religion/beliefs - and can turn whatever religion/belief in to something extreme and harsh - or benign and humane.


    Or they can use religion as a stepping stone to move past it

    Quote from: Hassan on April 01, 2010, 06:56 PM
    All the years I was a Muslim I was exactly the same character I am now. If you met me then and met me now you wouldn't say I was any different except that I said my prayers, drink or eat bacon etc... I never subscribed to extremist views and there is no way on earth I would have become a terrorist. It simply wasn't in my character. I have no doubt ppl like Abu Yunus, IslamMythology, Debunker and all the good Muslims I know in real life are much the same.

    Sure, they stamp their own humanity on Islam - but that's what all people do to whatever religion/beliefs they have - their personality defines their beliefs and not the other way around.

    I think extremist, authoritarian, and fanatically obsessive character types are thankfully always in the minority - but they are basically the same no matter whether they are Muslim or non-Muslim and these FFI guys have exactly the same - hardline, extremist, "my way or the highway" - feel to them as the hardline Salafi types I used to debate on ummah.com.

    The irony!


    Yes, yes, you are getting sleepy....sleepy....sleepy....Muslims are not a problem......Islam does not seek Islamic rule......They will compromise and melt in......There's nothing to be bothered about..... sleepy....sleepy......sleepy....

     Cheesy

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #129 - April 01, 2010, 07:16 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 01, 2010, 07:06 PM
    Thanks - I don't know anything about Islam - you will have to forgive me.



    Sure, no problem.  grin12
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #130 - April 01, 2010, 07:17 PM
    Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 07:03 PM
    I'm not calling for anything, I'm making the choices clear, rather than confusing them.


    You are calling for something. You are saying everyone is confused, and over intellectualism will result in the downfall of society. The natural corrective to this is a reduction of intellectualism and a programme to deal with issue away from intellectualism, because you have no faith that liberal secular democracy can defend itself, or that it contains the tools for doing so.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #131 - April 01, 2010, 07:23 PM
    Yes, I have no faith it can do this, because liberal democracy actually happens to be the main, and actually, only, enabler of this problem. And by the way, democracy is not necessarily "liberal" democracy, so quit painting it that way by default. Perhaps it's the "liberal" part that created this problem in the first place. But once again, it's the "I know better than you" attitude that many liberals mistakenly have. And I have already showed you the current result of "liberal" democracy melting these people in. It's not going to work and you're naive to think so. Or, maybe the melting in IS going to work, and result in a far more Muslim society. Congratulations, that's what you're leaving for your kids. Maybe you should be smart enough to not have any.  grin12
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #132 - April 01, 2010, 07:27 PM
    Hassan talks about folks at FFI
    Quote
    You know if SnB, BinLyin, and the rest of these FFI extremists had been born Muslims they would definitely be hard-core Salafis or Hizbi followers.

    Well,  yes you are right dear Hassan some folks in FFI are born Muslims Not sure they are all extremists or have extremist views.  You know there used to be a fellow named Hassan in FFI., he was there in FFI for 2 or three years and he seems to have learned all the techniques from these FFI extremists
     
    Quote
    All the years I was a Muslim I was exactly the same character I am now.

    Lol..

    Well you may not realize that but you some times appears to be the same character when it comes fellows who are the members of FFI dear Hassan..

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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #133 - April 01, 2010, 07:28 PM
    Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 07:23 PM
    And by the way, democracy is not necessarily "liberal" democracy, so quit painting it that way by default.

    Non-liberal democracy?

    You mean like Germany in the '30?
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #134 - April 01, 2010, 07:32 PM
    Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 07:23 PM
    Yes, I have no faith it can do this, because liberal democracy actually happens to be the main, and actually, only, enabler of this problem. And by the way, democracy is not necessarily "liberal" democracy, so quit painting it that way by default. Perhaps it's the "liberal" part that created this problem in the first place. But once again, it's the "I know better than you" attitude that many liberals mistakenly have. And I have already showed you the current result of "liberal" democracy melting these people in. It's not going to work and you're naive to think so. Or, maybe the melting in IS going to work, and result in a far more Muslim society.



    Right - so what are you suggesting should be done - please enunciate your programme for dealing with it outside the remit of liberal secular democracy. Don't be shy, and don't decry without an alternative. Thanks.



    Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 07:23 PM
    Congratulations, that's what you're leaving for your kids. Maybe you should be smart enough to not have any.  grin12


    Muhammad - don't make personal comments of that nature. It will lead either to you being banned if you do it repeatedly, or you will simply be ignored, or a sleeping dog might return that kind of rhetoric. Either way, it doesn't add to the discussion.

    Capisce? Good.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #135 - April 01, 2010, 07:59 PM
    Instead of Destroying Islam, those two have destroyed this thread
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #136 - April 01, 2010, 08:02 PM
     Cheesy
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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #137 - April 01, 2010, 08:02 PM
    Quote from: _truth_ on April 01, 2010, 07:59 PM
    Instead of Destroying Islam, those two have destroyed this thread


     Grin
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #138 - April 01, 2010, 08:03 PM
    This guy sounds like Glenn Beck.
    Liberalism is the problem!
    Lets have a Tea Party and take back America!
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #139 - April 01, 2010, 08:04 PM
    Quote from: Kenan
    Non-liberal democracy?

    You mean like Germany in the '30?


    What does "liberal" have to do with democracy?Huh?
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #140 - April 01, 2010, 08:10 PM
    Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 08:04 PM
    What does "liberal" have to do with democracy?Huh?


    Yeah! Exactly! Fucking liberals - they're next on the list after Mozlems, Commies and Gays!
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #141 - April 01, 2010, 08:15 PM
    Quote from: billy on April 01, 2010, 07:32 PM

    Right - so what are you suggesting should be done


    Depends on if you wish to keep British culture as it is. You can certainly choose to sell it out to avoid inconvenient strife. That's what Britain HAS been doing Personally, I LOVE British culture and it's sure going to be a shame to watch it slowly wash away.

    Quote from: billy on April 01, 2010, 07:32 PM
    - please enunciate your programme for dealing with it outside the remit of liberal secular democracy. Don't be shy, and don't decry without an alternative. Thanks.


    Again, "liberal" and "democracy" are not tied together. At most, socialism can be tied to liberalism. What to do? What some of the other European countries with larger Muslims are already trying to do, perhaps too late. Make life very very uncomfortable for their ways and give them no appeasements whatsoever, and hopefully, they will WANT to leave. It's either that, or population control methods, which seems even more unsavory and less democratic to me.


    Quote from: billy on April 01, 2010, 07:32 PM
    Muhammad - don't make personal comments of that nature. It will lead either to you being banned if you do it repeatedly, or you will simply be ignored, or a sleeping dog might return that kind of rhetoric. Either way, it doesn't add to the discussion.


    Well then go ahead and get me banned. If that's the kind of "free speech" place this is, then why should I even waste my time? Do it now, because you'll only get more of the same from me. I am a very direct speaker and I do not mix words, and I think the world needs more of this rather than all of the "cloudy" , politically correct complications that people suffer from. Nothing wrong with the truth said in a simple, direct manner.

    Quote from: billy on April 01, 2010, 07:32 PM
    Capisce?


    No.

    Mister liberal free speech wants to be a Nazi and ban me. That's my "capisce"

    Quote from: billy on April 01, 2010, 07:32 PM
    Good.


    Bad.


    [/quote]
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #142 - April 01, 2010, 08:24 PM
    Quote
    Well then go ahead and get me banned. If that's the kind of "free speech" place this is, then why should I even waste my time? Do it now, because you'll only get more of the same from me. I am a very direct speaker and I do not mix words, and I think the world needs more of this rather than all of the "cloudy" , politically correct complications that people suffer from. Nothing wrong with the truth said in a simple, direct manner.


    I can't get anyone banned - I'm just saying that personal comments are frowned upon and can lead to that. By all means carry on with that kind of rhetoric, it doesn't add to the discussion and is discourteous. Comprendez, Mr Direct Speaker?

    Good lad  Afro




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #143 - April 01, 2010, 08:28 PM
    Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 08:15 PM
    Again, "liberal" and "democracy" are not tied together. At most, socialism can be tied to liberalism. What to do? What some of the other European countries with larger Muslims are already trying to do, perhaps too late. Make life very very uncomfortable for their ways and give them no appeasements whatsoever, and hopefully, they will WANT to leave. It's either that, or population control methods, which seems even more unsavory and less democratic to me.


    Liberalism and democracy very much go together. It is liberalism that allows us to define the rights of the individual, the relationship between individuals and the state, between individuals and religion, between dissent and rejection of ideas, our freedoms, our secular culture. If it wasn't for liberalism our democracy would not have developed in the way that it has.

    Anyway, thanks for making your ideas about what to do plain.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #144 - April 01, 2010, 08:28 PM
    Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 08:04 PM
    What does "liberal" have to do with democracy?Huh?

    Care to define democracy and liberalism first so that we know what we are talking about?

    Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 08:15 PM
    I LOVE British culture and it's sure going to be a shame to watch it slowly wash away.

    What is your definition of "British culture"?

    Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 08:15 PM
    Again, "liberal" and "democracy" are not tied together. At most, socialism can be tied to liberalism.

     Cheesy
    This is brilliant!
    Please explain this because I really don't get it.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #145 - April 01, 2010, 08:41 PM
    We make laws to protect citizens. It's kind of a principle we have. Making laws to make people feel uncomfortable is not what the government is for.
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #146 - April 01, 2010, 08:43 PM
    people need to define Liberalism, democracy, free speech before we start going round and round on it. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #147 - April 01, 2010, 09:11 PM
    Quote from: IslamMythology on April 01, 2010, 05:38 PM
    Well engaging any mythology isn't just about collecting conclusions. I definitely find more than 5th grade common sense in Islamic tradition/mythology. I think ur problem is that you have never experienced deeply religious, deeply spiritual Muslims.

    Secondly, Muhammad has plenty of sayings that are along the lines of what you quoted from Jesus. What you fail to realize in your example is that Jesus didn't abrogate the Torah, and the Torah is FULL of all sorts of harsh teachings, even harsher than Islam. Do you realize that Islam was heavily created from Judaism and Christianity? I really don't think you know what you're talking about.

    A bit of a side issue but............

    while technically Jesus did not abrogate the Torah as such, he did render it largely irrelevant. Note that here I am expressing the Christian viewpoint rather than my own.

    Yes there are many fundamentalists, like southern Baptists, who place a strong emphasis on the Old Testament laws but in traditional and global terms this is not a mainstream Christian position. That position has always been that Jesus rendered the application of the old laws unnecessary, and after his arrival salvation would be achieved by grace rather than by following the old laws.

    So although not abrogated as such, the Old Testament is seen as basically a historical relic rather than a prescription for daily life.
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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #148 - April 01, 2010, 09:57 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 01, 2010, 09:11 PM
    So although not abrogated as such, the Old Testament is seen as basically a historical relic rather than a prescription for daily life.


    Don't the ten commandments come from the OT?
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #149 - April 01, 2010, 09:59 PM
    Sure they do. They aren't a prerequisite for Christianity though. They also have nothing to do with all the harsh and ridiculous OT stuff that people aim their criticisms at.
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