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  • Question: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
  • Yes, Islam alone represents a threat to Humanity. - 6 (15.4%)
  • Yes, and I think Other religions should be Destroyed too! - 10 (25.6%)
  • No, I think that we should just oppose those doctrines we find unacceptable! - 22 (56.4%)
  • No, I think Islam is just fine - it's all the fault of bad Muslims - 1 (2.6%)
  • Total Voters: 39

 Topic: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?

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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #240 - April 02, 2010, 11:44 AM
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    Do you know who is the guardian of democracy in Turkey?


    yes I do dear Kenan , If it is democracy then That has to be Elected Prime Minister..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #241 - April 02, 2010, 11:44 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 02, 2010, 10:20 AM
    PURE GOLD!!  Cheesy

    Classic!  Cheesy

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    *mwah*

     Afro
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #242 - April 02, 2010, 11:45 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 02, 2010, 11:00 AM
    Well, since the members concerned were reprimanded by an administrator and told to drop that sort of thing you can draw your own conclusion.
    From memory that one was part of two adult members engaging in a slag off against each other. That's hardly a serious matter.


    Egg zactly  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #243 - April 02, 2010, 11:46 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 02, 2010, 10:23 AM
    Lying for Allah FFI Cheesy



    A veritable comical, witless, self-humiliating masterpiece, entirely of a piece with his peers, Hass  Afro
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #244 - April 02, 2010, 11:48 AM
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    Egg zactly    Afro

    How are you doing Billy

    No..No That spelling is not right Billy . it is

    Ego zactly.. Ego zactly

    Kill it and make the life better  .. Neither winners get anything nor losers lose anything..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #245 - April 02, 2010, 11:52 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on April 02, 2010, 11:44 AM
    yes I do dear Kenan , If it is democracy then That has to be Elected Prime Minister..

    Actually, the guardians are:
    1. Constitutional Court of Turkey
    2. Turkish Army


  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #246 - April 02, 2010, 11:55 AM

    Wow yeezeevee, thanks for the advice - I'm sure you understand the urgency of heeding it yourself, too  Huh?

    You prolific font size changing friendly rascal
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #247 - April 02, 2010, 12:01 PM
    Quote
    Actually, the guardians are:
    1. Constitutional Court of Turkey
    2. Turkish Army

    Then Turkey is NOT ruled by the Govt that is elected by people and It is NOT a democracy dear Kenan. Well Turkish Army better change their attitude
    Quote
    http://politifi.com/news/ISLAMISTS-IN-TURKEY-ARREST-EVEN-MORE-MILITARY-SECULARISTS-237828.html

    Islamists in Turkey Arrest more Military Officers  

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/04/01/world/international-uk-turkey-plot.html

    Turkish Officers Freed to Await Coup Plot Trial
    ISTANBUL (Reuters) - An Istanbul court on Thursday released 17 military officers including two retired generals and a senior navy officer charged over an alleged plot to overthrow the government, state-run Anatolian news agency said.

    Among those freed from detention pending trial were two of the most senior figures charged over the affair -- retired general Cetin Dogan, the former head of Turkey's First Army, and lieutenant-general Engin Alan, a former special forces commander.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #248 - April 02, 2010, 12:46 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on April 02, 2010, 12:01 PM
    Then Turkey is NOT ruled by the Govt that is elected by people and It is NOT a democracy dear Kenan. Well Turkish Army better change their attitude

     Huh?
    Turkey is ruled by its government.
    Point is that the government cannot act in an unconstitutional manner. It is The Constitutional Court of Turkey that has a final say in the matter.
    Potentially Turkish Army could be used to overthrow such a government. It has done this in the past - several times in fact.

    "Part Four, Section Two allows for a Constitutional Court that statutes on the conformity of law and governmental decrees to the Constitution, and it can be seized by the President of the Republic, the government, the members of Parliament (A150) or any judge before whom an exception of unconstitutionality has been raised by a defendant  or a plaintiff  (A152). The Constitutional Court has the right to both a priori  and a posteriori review, and it can invalidate whole laws or decrees and ban their application for all future cases (A153)."

    "The Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) are subordinate to the President, in the capacity of Commander-in-Chief."
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #249 - April 02, 2010, 12:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 02, 2010, 10:23 AM
    Lying for Allah FFI Cheesy


    Beware of FFaqqIya Tacticians

    Goes to show this lot dont put as much considered thought behind their posts /thoughts & beliefs.

    Its all anger dressed up as intellectual discourse.
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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #250 - April 02, 2010, 01:03 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 02, 2010, 11:00 AM
    Well, since the members concerned were reprimanded by an administrator and told to drop that sort of thing you can draw your own conclusion.


    From what I know the reprimand was not issued very promptly; the harassment was going on for quite some time. But of course I might be wrong as I have not kept track of the whole thing.
    Quote
    From memory that one was part of two adult members engaging in a slag off against each other. That's hardly a serious matter.


    Hmmm...so it is excused in case the two members decide to take it out on each other irrespective of who crossed the line first.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #251 - April 02, 2010, 01:06 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on April 02, 2010, 01:03 PM
    From what I know the reprimand was not issued very promptly; the harassment was going on for quite some time. But of course I might be wrong as I have not kept track of the whole thing.
    Hmmm...so it is excused in case the two members decide to take it out on each other irrespective of who crossed the line first.

    Well before you make accusations, the burden is on YOU to research it thoroughly and then come back with proof.  If you cant be bothered, then neither should we.
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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #252 - April 02, 2010, 01:24 PM
    My posting rights were taken away last night. That's because it's actually the liberal who is the least tolerant of all and the most sensitive.

    Yes, I suppose I did misread and mistake Frank Spencer for Robert Spencer. Anyway, aside from that, democracy is a voting system, not an economic one. It comes from the Greeks and simply means one man one vote, the will of the people. Things like human rights and democracy are not necessarily tied together hand in hand, democracy merely allows for human rights to be able to exist. Things such as human rights came later with the American revitilization of Democracy. Democracy is not tied to things such as Socialism or Capitalism, it merely allows for either to exist. That's why it can be either capitalistic or socialistic.

    Back to the other point.

    What do you think is the solution? What do you think is going to be the population mix in Britain and the EU in general by 2060??  Do you live under the illusion that you will melt these people in??  Well, it's been two generations in many cases and if anything, the trend is moving away from what you hope and instead of melting in, clearly their intention is to carve out areas and slowly eat Britain and the EU up from the inside out. You don't think there's much Saudi petrol dollars funding this quiet revolution??? And here's the kind, fair, understanding, "reasonable" man opening the gate and welcoming the horse.

    It's pretty amazing thinking about how hard people fought in WW2 to preserve Britain, only to watch a few intellectuals throw it away anyway some 70 years later and let it get eaten away from the inside out.

    Ahhh, looks like Chamberlain has returned.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #253 - April 02, 2010, 01:26 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 02, 2010, 01:06 PM
    Well before you make accusations, the burden is on YOU to research it thoroughly and then come back with proof.  If you cant be bothered, then neither should we.


    How come liberals are less tolerant of free speech than conservatives are?
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #254 - April 02, 2010, 01:29 PM
    Quote from: Arnold on April 02, 2010, 01:24 PM
    My posting rights were taken away last night. That's because it's actually the liberal who is the least tolerant of all and the most sensitive.

    Yes, I suppose I did misread and mistake Frank Spencer for Robert Spencer. Anyway, aside from that, democracy is a voting system, not an economic one. It comes from the Greeks and simply means one man one vote, the will of the people. Things like human rights and democracy are not necessarily tied together hand in hand, democracy merely allows for human rights to be able to exist. Things such as human rights came later with the American revitilization of Democracy. Democracy is not tied to things such as Socialism or Capitalism, it merely allows for either to exist. That's why it can be either capitalistic or socialistic.

    Back to the other point.

    What do you think is the solution? What do you think is going to be the population mix in Britain and the EU in general by 2060??  Do you live under the illusion that you will melt these people in??  Well, it's been two generations in many cases and if anything, the trend is moving away from what you hope and instead of melting in, clearly their intention is to carve out areas and slowly eat Britain and the EU up from the inside out. You don't think there's much Saudi petrol dollars funding this quiet revolution??? And here's the kind, fair, understanding, "reasonable" man opening the gate and welcoming the horse.

    It's pretty amazing thinking about how hard people fought in WW2 to preserve Britain, only to watch a few intellectuals throw it away anyway some 70 years later and let it get eaten away from the inside out.

    Ahhh, looks like Chamberlain has returned.

    Would you mind looking at my posts first?
    Here: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9487.msg244136#msg244136
    Because I addressed most of these issues there.
    Thanks!
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #255 - April 02, 2010, 01:33 PM
    Quote from: Arnold on April 02, 2010, 01:26 PM
    How come liberals are less tolerant of free speech than conservatives are?

    Is that a question or a fact?  Its a little to simplistic, reductionist and a huge generalistation for my liking, so go ask someone else.  I normally choose not to deal with dumb questions.
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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #256 - April 02, 2010, 01:39 PM
    OK.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #257 - April 02, 2010, 01:43 PM
    Its because liberals are evil.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #258 - April 02, 2010, 02:06 PM
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    Kenan  Huh?
    Turkey is ruled by its government.

    Yes it is ruled by its govt but is it selected or elected Govt?
    Quote
    Point is that the government cannot act in an unconstitutional manner. It is The Constitutional Court of Turkey that has a final say in the matter. Potentially Turkish Army could be used to overthrow such a government. It has done this in the past - several times in fact.

    Now how does that Constitutional Court of Turkey gets elected  or selected? Until now it was under "Turkish Army"  but that will change by next elections.  Let me give you this bit  
    Quote
    The fifth constitution was established in 1982 by the last military regime after its seizing power in 1980.  The 1995 amendments abolished about 20 articles and the preamble that stated the people's will to accept military rule.  Further changes of the basic rights section have been adopted by a major revision in 2001.  Constitutional reform as a prerequisite for eventual membership in the Europen Union has been established by additional amendments until the current ICL status date of May 10th, 2007.
     

        * March 2004: Government of Erdogan announces imminent constitutional reforms.

     rest   please read at this link http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/tu__indx.html
    So we have to realize that until the last election the governing body of Turkey was in fact selected NOT ELECTED by the majority of People of Turkey..
    Quote
    "Part Four, Section Two allows for a Constitutional Court that statutes on the conformity of law and governmental decrees to the Constitution, and it can be seized by the President of the Republic, the government, the members of Parliament (A150) or any judge before whom an exception of unconstitutionality has been raised by a defendant  or a plaintiff  (A152). The Constitutional Court has the right to both a priori  and a posteriori review, and it can invalidate whole laws or decrees and ban their application for all future cases (A153)."

    "The Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) are subordinate to the President, in the capacity of Commander-in-Chief."

    That is true ., That is how Turkey was ruled by  Mustafa Kemal Atatürkites until now and that is how until 1997 Turky was ruled always by  coup d'état  not by democracy.

    1960 Turkish coup d'état.,  1971 Turkish coup d'état., 1980 Turkish coup d'état
    and 1997 military memorandum (Turkey).,

    So the question is Can democracy function in Turkey by the Government elected by people? And going back to your words,
    Quote
    Furthermore, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of though/religion are essential for a democracy.  

     Can we have those highlighted fundamental rights in Turkey having Islam and Islamic doctrine on top of the elected  body?

    With best regards
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #259 - April 02, 2010, 02:16 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on April 02, 2010, 02:06 PM
    Can we have those highlighted fundamental rights in Turkey having Islam and Islamic doctrine on top of the elected  body?

    Frankly I don't know. That is something for Turks to decide. Atm public enforcement of Islamic principles is unconstitutional. Turkey is a secular country.

    Bottom line is any principles (Islamic or otherwise) that would clash with the ones I stated above would turn Turkey back into the past and away form EU.

    Whatever the decision might be, Turks will settle the bill for it.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #260 - April 02, 2010, 02:20 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on April 02, 2010, 01:43 PM
    Its because liberals are evil.


    Who said anything about evil? But they certainly are less tolerant than conservatives, at least on this site, they definitely are.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #261 - April 02, 2010, 02:24 PM
    @Muhammad bin Lyin

    Before we continue could you please answer my post?

    Thanks!

    Here:
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9487.msg244136#msg244136
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #262 - April 02, 2010, 02:26 PM
    Kenan
    Quote
    Frankly I don't know. That is something for Turks to decide. Atm public enforcement of Islamic principles is unconstitutional. Turkey is a secular country.

    ., See that how troubles multiply  the moment we talk about true democracy??  And what  role   elected Govt should play  in it to uphold its fundamentals.  I guess Now I would like to know the definition of secular country in a nation that has 98% of Muslims in it..  

    please read the complete Turkish constitution
    http://www.anayasa.gov.tr/images/loaded/pdf_dosyalari/THE_CONSTITUTION_OF_THE_REPUBLIC_OF_TURKEY.pdf

    And how complicated it is with reference to FREEDOM OF SPEECH and rights of minorities  for e.g.  Kurds or Armenians...

     
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #263 - April 02, 2010, 02:29 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on April 02, 2010, 02:26 PM
    Kenan I guess Now I would like to know the definition of secular country in a nation that has 98% of Muslims.  

    It's the same for any country.

    The state and (any) religion are separate.

    "Secular states with secular governments that follow civil laws—as opposed to religious authorities like the Islamic Shariah—Catholic  Canon law, or Jewish Halakha, and that specifically do not favor any particular religion."

    Quote from: yeezevee on April 02, 2010, 02:26 PM
    And how complicated it is with reference to FREEDOM OF SPEECH and right of minorities  for e.g.  Kurds or Armenians/

    Yeah, complicated.

    Democracy is a process rather than a state.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #264 - April 02, 2010, 02:33 PM
    Quote
    The state and (any) religion are separate.

    "Secular states with secular governments that follow civil laws—as opposed to religious authorities like the Islamic Shariah—Catholic  Canon law, or Jewish Halakha, and that specifically do not favor any particular religion."

    And that is wonderful., Are these laws universal or specific to countries and cultures??  So a secular ruled state need not be a democracy., I mean it could be democracy but need not be.  right?
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #265 - April 02, 2010, 02:34 PM
    It depends what "destroy" means.  Huh?

    I selected option two because my preference would be that in an ideal and modern world like today, we wouldn't need religion at all, and so I'd support the destruction of it from education, skeptical thinking, etc. However, if I was asked if I'd support some sort of forced destruction of religion then I'd be adamantly against that.

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #266 - April 02, 2010, 02:40 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 02, 2010, 01:06 PM
    Well before you make accusations, the burden is on YOU to research it thoroughly and then come back with proof.  If you cant be bothered, then neither should we.


    Righto, point taken.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #267 - April 02, 2010, 02:44 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on April 02, 2010, 02:33 PM
    And that is wonderful., Are these laws universal or specific to countries and cultures??  So a secular ruled state need not be a democracy., I mean it could be democracy but need not be.  right?

    Sure.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #268 - April 02, 2010, 02:48 PM
    Quote from: Unechance on April 02, 2010, 02:34 PM
    It depends what "destroy" means.  Huh?

    I selected option two because my preference would be that in an ideal and modern world like today, we wouldn't need religion at all, and so I'd support the destruction of it from education, skeptical thinking, etc. However, if I was asked if I'd support some sort of forced destruction of religion then I'd be adamantly against that.


    I feel the same way and selected option 3.
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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #269 - April 04, 2010, 11:34 AM
    Double post!
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