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OP - April 03, 2010, 02:25 AM

Although we all know that Islam is a man-made religion, we also know that there are some useful teachings in Islam. Here are a few (in this thread) that you may or may not know, or have forgotten over time.

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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43, Number 625:

Narrated Muawiya bin Suwald:

I heard Al-Bara’ bin ‘Azib saying, “The Prophet orders us to do seven things and prohibited us from doing seven other things.” Then Al-Bara’ mentioned the following:–

(1) To pay a visit to the sick (inquiring about his health),

(2) to follow funeral processions,

~~(3) to say to a sneezer, “May Allah be merciful to you” (if he says, “Praise be to Allah!”),~~

(4) to return greetings,

(5) to help the oppressed,

(6) to accept invitations,

(7) to help others to fulfill their oaths. (See Hadith No. 753, Vol. 7)

* I have crossed out #3 because this is more akin to religious mythology than it is anything practical or real.
* The list is interesting because these are very specific events that people often neglect. I don't think that this is just a random list of good deeds. There has been some thought here.
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Reply #1 - April 03, 2010, 02:44 AM

Please tell us about some good teaching which Islam did not plagiarize from other religions, and it unique to it.

Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
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Reply #2 - April 03, 2010, 03:07 AM

And also some teachings which are not common sense that people do anyway.
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Reply #3 - April 03, 2010, 03:15 AM

and don't mention charity as one. Thats common sense and it annoys me when some Muslims expect Brownie points because they gave some money to charity. Thats a universal action.

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Reply #4 - April 03, 2010, 03:35 AM

I always found the following to be very wise, though I don't know if it is correctly attributed to muhammad and I am sure he probably isn't the first or the last to say it:

"take a lesson from everything you see."

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Reply #5 - April 03, 2010, 03:47 AM

All religions are based upon previous religions.

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Reply #6 - April 03, 2010, 03:56 AM

Quote from: z10 on April 03, 2010, 03:35 AM
I always found the following to be very wise, though I don't know if it is correctly attributed to muhammad and I am sure he probably isn't the first or the last to say it:

"take a lesson from everything you see."

There is a idea of Muhammad's that says, 'Wisdom is the property of the believer (I'd replace this with some other term), whereever he (or she) finds it, it belongs to him (or her)'.

There is another one which says, 'The believer doesn't fall (or step) in the same hole twice'. Which I think is a great saying about learning from your mistakes.

Islam is full of maxims like these and in Islamic law they came up with even more. The Sufis also came up with a lot of maxims.
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Reply #7 - April 03, 2010, 04:09 AM

Yes, there is a lot of wisdom in the words and actions of the sufis, though I don't know if it is accurate to call it "Islamic" wisdom. The sufis have more in common with other mystical societies than with orthodox Islam.

However, in the spirit of the thread I remember a story about Mullah Nasrudin, the sufi/ jester:

Somebody once asked him "if you claim to have the ability to see at night then why do you carry a candle with you everywhere you go in the dark?"

Nasrudin replied "It is so that other people don't bump into me."

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Reply #8 - April 03, 2010, 04:13 AM

The Salafi version of Islam doesn't have that much wisdom to be honest. Its pretty much pray, fear Allah and his punishment and love your fellow Muslims only for the sake of Allah. Then again, thats just the Salafi interpretation.

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Reply #9 - April 03, 2010, 04:39 AM

I think we had a thread or two about nice things in Islam. There's no sane person who will deny that such stuff exist, whether original or not original, common sense or not.
The thing is, it doesn't make Islam any more true, nor does it cover up for the fact that it still has the horrible stuff.

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Reply #10 - April 03, 2010, 05:10 AM

Quote from: Cool Canadian on April 03, 2010, 04:13 AM
The Salafi version of Islam doesn't have that much wisdom to be honest. Its pretty much pray, fear Allah and his punishment and love your fellow Muslims only for the sake of Allah. Then again, thats just the Salafi interpretation.

The Salafis tend to focus on the harsher stuff and they tend cut away part of the Sunni tradition - the innovative part that has some of the nicer teachings of Islam.
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Reply #11 - April 03, 2010, 05:23 AM

IM, why don't you also make a thread which explains why you're an atheist in detail?
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Reply #12 - April 03, 2010, 06:13 AM

“Take advantage of five things before five others: your youth before your old age, your health before your sickness, your wealth before your poverty, your free time before you become occupied, and your life before your death.” (Tirmidhi)

Great hadith, I love this hadith.
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Reply #13 - April 03, 2010, 06:32 AM

"Show gentleness, for if gentleness is found in anything, it beautifies it and when it is taken out from anything it damages it."
(Sunan Abu Dawud Book 41, Number 4790)
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Reply #14 - April 03, 2010, 08:09 AM

"Seek wisdom, even if it is in China"

It's good advice, I wish more Muslims would take it with regards to known facts/beliefs of Muhammad's time because it helps to expose what a fraud he was. It also shows that Mo was a very keen student whether he could read or not.

But Islam bashing aside Seeking knowledge is always a good thing!

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Reply #15 - April 03, 2010, 08:10 AM

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Seek wisdom, even if it is in China"

Isn't that a fake hadith? I seem to remember that being discussed before and it turned out to be a saying from Buddha or some Zoroastrian. Maybe someone else can remember.

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Reply #16 - April 03, 2010, 08:16 AM

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Reply #17 - April 03, 2010, 09:17 AM

Quote from: IslamMythology on April 03, 2010, 02:25 AM
Although we all know that Islam is a man-made religion, we also know that there are some useful teachings in Islam.

Of course there are! You can and will find good anywhere as long as you look deep enough.
Problem is that everything Islam teaches has been successfully abrogated by truly moral movements/philosophical positions.
There is simply no need for it. On the contrary - Islam is extremely divisive.

My favourite hadith:
The ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr.
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Reply #18 - April 03, 2010, 09:31 AM

Quote from: Cheetah on April 03, 2010, 08:10 AM
Isn't that a fake hadith? I seem to remember that being discussed before and it turned out to be a saying from Buddha or some Zoroastrian. Maybe someone else can remember.

Yeah, this hadith doesnt exist (although I think you are confusing it with the fake cat hadith and him cutting of his sleeve, which came from the bahai faith).

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Reply #19 - April 03, 2010, 09:32 AM

Quote from: IslamMythology on April 03, 2010, 06:13 AM
“Take advantage of five things before five others: your youth before your old age, your health before your sickness, your wealth before your poverty, your free time before you become occupied, and your life before your death.” (Tirmidhi)

Great hadith, I love this hadith.

Yeah, I like that - almost worthy of going in the quotes thread. Oh, the irony

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Reply #20 - April 03, 2010, 09:54 AM

Quote from: Cheetah on April 03, 2010, 08:10 AM
Isn't that a fake hadith? I seem to remember that being discussed before and it turned out to be a saying from Buddha or some Zoroastrian. Maybe someone else can remember.

It's considered weak, but not fake.

edit: maybe it's more complicated than that, but it has a history and is not something that is just on people's tongues, like the hadith of the jewess throwing garbage on Muhammad

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Reply #21 - April 03, 2010, 10:53 AM

http://paksiasat.com/2010/02/27/choraha-%E2%80%93-27th-february-2009/

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Reply #22 - April 03, 2010, 10:54 AM

Hey yeeezeevee, you're from pakistan right? since you're always posting links about pk
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Reply #23 - April 03, 2010, 12:13 PM

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With regard to the hadeeth mentioned, “Seek knowledge even if you have to go as far as China, for seeking knowledge is a duty on every Muslim,” Shaykh al-Albaani said in Da’eef al-Jaami’: “(It is) fabricated.” (no. 906).

The proven hadeeth is that which was narrated by Ibn Maajah from the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik, who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim.’” (220. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Ibn Maajah. What is meant by knowledge here is knowledge of sharee’ah (Islamic knowledge). Al-Thawri said: “It is the knowledge for which no person has any excuse for not knowing.”

And Allaah knows best.

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Reply #24 - April 03, 2010, 12:20 PM

Yea, I was so pissed when I heard that, that now only knowledge is islamic knowledge. Lmao. No wonder muslims are behind in science.
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Reply #25 - April 03, 2010, 12:35 PM

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 388:

Narrated Abu Aiyub Al-Ansari:

The Prophet said, "While defecating, neither face nor turn your back to the Qibla but face either east or west." Abu Aiyub added. "When we arrived in Sham we came across some lavatories facing the Qibla; therefore we turned ourselves while using them and asked for Allah's forgiveness."

Finally, some religious wisdom you can put to good use.
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Reply #26 - April 03, 2010, 12:52 PM

Quote from: Submissive Bob on April 03, 2010, 12:13 PM
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With regard to the hadeeth mentioned, “Seek knowledge even if you have to go as far as China, for seeking knowledge is a duty on every Muslim,” Shaykh al-Albaani said in Da’eef al-Jaami’: “(It is) fabricated.” (no. 906).

The proven hadeeth is that which was narrated by Ibn Maajah from the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik, who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim.’” (220. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Ibn Maajah. What is meant by knowledge here is knowledge of sharee’ah (Islamic knowledge). Al-Thawri said: “It is the knowledge for which no person has any excuse for not knowing.”

And Allaah knows best.

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Shaykh al-Albani is part of the Salafi movement and hence rejects part of the Sunni tradition. He recategorized many ahadith based on his own ideas. I would look for some additional sources in regard to this hadith. I won't say that al-Albani's work is not worth anything, but he was working with the agenda of the movement in mind.
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Reply #27 - April 03, 2010, 01:09 PM

Quote from: liberated on April 03, 2010, 10:54 AM
Hey yeeezeevee, you're from pakistan right? since you're always posting links about pk

He could be Indian too - you know how Indians have an obsessive interest with Pakistan, for good reason too.

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Reply #28 - April 03, 2010, 01:13 PM

Let us dream about Islamic Mythology dear IsLame

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoKq_KYGM5A

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No I don't think so, i haven't met any indians as interested in pakistan as he is, plus he told me his parents spoke urdu.
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