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  • A Humanist Quran
     OP - April 04, 2010, 01:44 PM

    Compare to: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/061.qmt.html

    61:1 Whatever is in the Universe and on Earth, let it declare the Praises and Glory of Life: for Life is an Exalted Treasure, Defended by the Wise.

    61:2 O you who “believe”! Why do you say that which you do not do?

    61:3 It is most hateful to Humanity that you should say that which you do not do.

    61:4 Truly Humanity loves those who fight in the Cause of Mankind, in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.

    61:5 And remember the myth of Moses, who said to his people: “O my people! Why do ye vex and insult me, though ye know that I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you?” Then when they turned away from him, their Humanity let their hearts find the right way. For Humanity pays no attention to those who are rebellious transgressors.

    61:6 And remember the myth of Jesus, the son of Mary, who said: “O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the law (which came) before me, and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.” He came to them with assertions he desired for himself, and they said, “This is evident falsehood!”

    61:7 Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Humanity, even as he is being invited to join the Human Cause? And Humanity pays no attention to those who do wrong.

    61:8 Their (the “believers”) intention is to extinguish Humanity’s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But Humanity will complete (the revelation of) Their Light, even though the “believers” may detest (it).

    61:9 It is Humanity Who has set out to gain knowledge, for the purpose of guidance and truth, that They may proclaim it over all religion, though the “believers” may detest (it).

    61:10 O ye who “believe”! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?-

    61:11 That ye believe in the progression of Humanity, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Mankind, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew!

    61:12 Humanity will free you from the superstition of sin, and together we will work to provide for all, Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and beautiful mansions in Gardens of virtual Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement.

    61:13 And another (favour will Humanity bestow,) which ye do love,- help from fellow Humanists and a speedy victory. So give Glad Tidings to those in the Cause of Mankind.

    61:14 O ye who “believe”! Be ye helpers of Humanity: Remember the myth of Jesus the son of Mary, when he said his disciples, “Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the disciples, “We are Allah’s helpers!” Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed and committed grave atrocities, and a portion turned away wisely: Humanity empowered those who turned away, against their enemies, and they became the ones who have now prevailed.

    I love this version of the Quran : )
    I plan to redo the entire Quran this way. I call it the 'Humanist Quran'.
    Thoughts? Suggestions? Trolls?

    Feel free to post your own versions of the Quran!

    Assalamu alaykum
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #1 - April 04, 2010, 01:50 PM

    Skimmed half of it, but I really like it. Good project. Afro

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  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #2 - April 04, 2010, 02:09 PM

    @IslamMythology,

    You certainly write better ayahs than Allah, LOL.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #3 - April 04, 2010, 03:41 PM

    You are trying way too hard.

    This is just kind of silly, and barely makes any sense.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #4 - April 04, 2010, 04:17 PM

    The Qur'an just isn't the same if it's not an angy, bitter diatribe with constant threats of Hell Fire.

    I mean, there have to be some books that remind us of what true evil really is.
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #5 - April 04, 2010, 04:22 PM

    Ren you are being mean again!

    Basically there is no need for it because all this silly Bronze Age stuff has been abrogated by truly moral movements/philosophical positions such as Universal Humanism for example.
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #6 - April 04, 2010, 04:31 PM

    Why the desperate need to rework a religion to better suit your ideals?

    If the religion needs to be rewritten, then it neds to be binned.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #7 - April 04, 2010, 04:33 PM

    This was actually nicely done  Afro especially the part about myths of moses and jesus, i was surprised seeing that coming from you.

    But things like this:

    Quote
    61:7 Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Humanity, even as he is being invited to join the Human Cause? And Humanity pays no attention to those who do wrong.

    61:8 Their (the “believers”) intention is to extinguish Humanity’s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But Humanity will complete (the revelation of) Their Light, even though the “believers” may detest (it).


    Are trying too hard, i'd just trim ones like these out.
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #8 - April 04, 2010, 05:28 PM

    Nice work IslamMythology - but I can't help feeling: "Why Bother"?

    Anyway - here's a vid  Smiley

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlSi0Fd5m0
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #9 - April 04, 2010, 09:36 PM

    You certainly write better ayahs than Allah, LOL.

     Cheesy

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  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #10 - April 04, 2010, 10:21 PM

    Why rewrite it?

    Well I find it interesting to take Islam's 'believer-disbeliever' paradigm and turn it on it's head. It creates a text with all the familiar Islamic elements, but in this version the cause is the collective cause of mankind. It isn't a work of any kind of necessity of course, just a fun experiment. It tends to expose me to a lot of nuances as well.
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #11 - April 05, 2010, 12:07 AM

    So...its like mad libs..with 'humanist' terms...a parody of sorts.

    I don't really understand the point. Like why even mention 'the myth of moses', what is moses doing? Why moses?

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #12 - April 05, 2010, 12:11 AM

    Why rewrite it?

    Well I find it interesting to take Islam's 'believer-disbeliever' paradigm and turn it on it's head. It creates a text with all the familiar Islamic elements, but in this version the cause is the collective cause of mankind. It isn't a work of any kind of necessity of course, just a fun experiment. It tends to expose me to a lot of nuances as well.

    Fair enough. Go for it. I doubt many people will read it though.

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  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #13 - April 05, 2010, 03:49 PM

    IslamMythology  
    Quote
    Why rewrite it?

    Well I find it interesting to take Islam's 'believer-disbeliever' paradigm and turn it on it's head. It creates a text with all the familiar Islamic elements, but in this version the cause is the collective cause of mankind. It isn't a work of any kind of necessity of course, just a fun experiment. It tends to expose me to a lot of nuances as well.

      Good stuff and good start dear IslamMythology., Please continue to rewrite Quran. But let me add this.  

    farishta   at   http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?p=104308#p104308 posted an interesting statement
    Quote
    The people we call Muslims to-day were known in the West till the middle of the 20th Century as Mohammadans and their cult was Mohammadanism.

    By the way the Muslims mindlessly defend the most egregiously monsterous acts of Mohammad, it seems proper to call them Mohammadan and not Muslim.

    That is indeed true., The so called Islam of present day  was started by Muhammad and the followers of his religion are called Muslims.  The right words for the present day Muhammad followers is Mohammadans and his religion should be called Mohammadanism

    So where did we get the other words Islam and Muslims?? What are their  Origin? Let us see whether Qurran gets us some answers. Some translators used the word "Muslims" in the following verses   002.128; 002.131; 003.067; 012.101; 033.035;  

    Quote
    002.128
    YUSUFALI: "Our Lord! make of us Muslims , bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
    PICKTHAL: Our Lord! And make us submissive unto Thee and of our seed a nation submissive unto Thee, and show us our ways of worship, and relent toward us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Relenting, the Merciful.
    SHAKIR: Our Lord! and make us both submissive to Thee and (raise) from our offspring a nation submitting to Thee, and show us our ways of devotion and turn to us (mercifully), surely Thou art the Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.

    002.131
    YUSUFALI: Behold! his Lord said to him: "Bow (thy will to Me):" He said: "I bow (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe."
    PICKTHAL: When his Lord said unto him: Surrender! he said: I have surrendered to the Lord of the Worlds.
    SHAKIR: When his Lord said to him,  Be a Muslim, he said : I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds.

    003.067
    YUSUFALI: Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.
    PICKTHAL: Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was not of the idolaters.
    SHAKIR: Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man),  a Muslim , and he was not one of the polytheists.

    012.101
    YUSUFALI: "O my Lord! Thou hast indeed bestowed on me some power, and taught me something of the interpretation of dreams and events,- O Thou Creator of the heavens and the earth! Thou art my Protector in this world and in the Hereafter. Take Thou my soul (at death) as one submitting to Thy will (as a Muslim), and unite me with the righteous."
    PICKTHAL: O my Lord! Thou hast given me (something) of sovereignty and hast taught me (something) of the interpretation of events - Creator of the heavens and the earth! Thou art my Protecting Guardian in the world and the Hereafter.  Make me to die muslim (unto Thee), and join me to the righteous.
    SHAKIR: My Lord! Thou hast given me of the kingdom and taught me of the interpretation of sayings: Originator of the heavens and the earth! Thou art my guardian in this world and the hereafter; make me die a muslim and join me with the good.

    033.035
    YUSUFALI: For Muslim  men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise,- for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward.
    PICKTHAL: Lo! men who surrender unto Allah, and women who surrender, and men who believe and women who believe, and men who obey and women who obey, and men who speak the truth and women who speak the truth, and men who persevere (in righteousness) and women who persevere, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their modesty and women who guard (their modesty), and men who remember Allah much and women who remember - Allah hath prepared for them forgiveness and a vast reward.
    SHAKIR: Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women and the humble men and the humble women, and the almsgiving men and the almsgiving women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their private parts and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember-- Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward.

    So we should note that Muslims are simply people that are supposed to submit to the will of Allah/God and Islam is the religion of Muslims. But the question comes what is will of Allah/God? Quran being rubbish with full of copy/pasted gibberish can not be the will of Allah. So people who follow Muhammad/ Quran/hadith should be called as    Mohammadans and  religion/cult  should be called Mohammadanism.   Those are the right words for 99.9% of Muhammad followers who consider Mr. Muhammad as messenger of Allah and a Prophet to them.

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #14 - April 05, 2010, 04:01 PM

    Do Mein Kampf next!

    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #15 - April 05, 2010, 04:11 PM

     Cheesy
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #16 - April 05, 2010, 04:15 PM

    Do Mein Kampf next!


    I wanna see a Jihadi version of Alice in Wonderland.
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #17 - April 05, 2010, 04:21 PM

    Alice in wonderland is a great story, classic mythology
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #18 - April 05, 2010, 04:24 PM

    Alice in Wonderland is a lot more than just mythology. In fact its almost pure philosophy.
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #19 - April 05, 2010, 05:02 PM

    One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. “Which road do I take?” she asked. “Where do you want to go?” was his response. “I don’t know,” Alice answered. “Then,” said the cat, “it doesn’t matter.”
    _______________________

    “‘Now I’ll give you something to believe. I’m just one hundred and one, five months and a day.”
    “I can’t believe that!” said Alice.
    “Can’t you?” the queen said in a pitying tone. “Try again, draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.”
    Alice laughed. “There’s no use trying,” she said. “One can’t believe impossible things.”
    “I dare say you haven’t had much practice,” said the queen. “When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #20 - April 05, 2010, 05:29 PM

    One of my favorite books ever.
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #21 - April 05, 2010, 05:31 PM

    Hey guys, listen up. I got a joke:






    What do you call a Quran and a turd?
































    Two pieces of shit!

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #22 - April 05, 2010, 05:53 PM

    Do Mein Kampf next!


    you really are a genius of comedy Cheesy

    Prob only reason not won JOTM yet is bcos you're not round here a lot..

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  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #23 - April 05, 2010, 05:54 PM

    I wanna see a Jihadi version of Alice in Wonderland.

    this is almost as funny as the vulture thread  Cheesy

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  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #24 - April 05, 2010, 05:58 PM

    One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. “Which road do I take?” she asked. “Where do you want to go?” was his response. “I don’t know,” Alice answered. “Then,” said the cat, “it doesn’t matter.”
    _______________________

    “‘Now I’ll give you something to believe. I’m just one hundred and one, five months and a day.”
    “I can’t believe that!” said Alice.
    “Can’t you?” the queen said in a pitying tone. “Try again, draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.”
    Alice laughed. “There’s no use trying,” she said. “One can’t believe impossible things.”
    “I dare say you haven’t had much practice,” said the queen. “When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”

    `Only it is so VERY lonely here!' Alice said in a melancholy voice; and at the thought of her loneliness two large tears came rolling down her cheeks.

    `Oh, don't go on like that!' cried the poor Queen, wringing her hands in despair. `Consider what a great girl you are. Consider what a long way you've come to-day. Consider what o'clock it is. Consider anything, only don't cry!'

    Alice could not help laughing at this, even in the midst of her tears. `Can YOU keep from crying by considering things?' she asked.

    `That's the way it's done,' the Queen said with great decision: `nobody can do two things at once, you know...'



    That's decent stuff, I thought "Alice" was one of them cheesy kids' bullshit that I never even considered it.

    Do Mein Kampf next!


     Cheesy

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #25 - April 05, 2010, 05:59 PM

    Don't be fooled by the films, Infidel, Alice in Wonderland is fairly deep.  A lot deeper than the Qur'an anyway.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #26 - April 05, 2010, 06:10 PM

    Don't be fooled by the films, Infidel, Alice in Wonderland is fairly deep.  A lot deeper than the Qur'an anyway.

    I never watched the film(s), or at least not that I can remember of. I just had this impression of it being kids' stuff, with the talking rabbit and all that ridiculous stuff.
    I'll probably give it a read sometime, I already got PDFs of the book(s), which was an easy task to find as the copyright is expired ages ago  Wink.

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #27 - April 05, 2010, 06:16 PM

    I never watched the film(s), or at least not that I can remember of. I just had this impression of it being kids' stuff, with the talking rabbit and all that ridiculous stuff.
    I'll probably give it a read sometime, I already got PDFs of the book(s), which was an easy task to find as the copyright is expired ages ago  Wink.


    I read the two book (wonderland and through the looking glass) to my kids as an adult and absolutely loved them myself - you should read them - they flow really well so they are a good read - very well written!
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #28 - April 05, 2010, 06:23 PM

    Randy Pausch......  Dr.  Randy Pausch,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8kUTUIveyA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8e80lMPyYI

     I can learn more watching these three videos than reading 100s of religious books..

    yeezevee

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: A Humanist Quran
     Reply #29 - April 05, 2010, 08:19 PM

    Thank you Yeezevee, he said some very interesting things. I've never heard of him before so thanks for the links.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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