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  • Question: Do you take him seriously?
  • Yes, abso-fuckin-lutely - 3 (20%)
  • No fuckin' way - 2 (13.3%)
  • Meh, I'm not an American, so I really don't give a fuck about American issues (I also take it up the ass) - 1 (6.7%)
  • I take everything he says with a grain of salt. - 9 (60%)
  • Total Voters: 15

 Topic: Michael Moore?

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  • Michael Moore?
     OP - April 05, 2010, 02:47 AM
    What are your thoughts on Micheal Moore documentaries?
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #1 - April 05, 2010, 03:10 AM
    Isnt he the fat guy who blames every single fast food industry because Americans are obese?

    Yea...he should exercise and eat properly...I heard its good for you.
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #2 - April 05, 2010, 03:18 AM
    LOL yeah he is. I take everything he says with a grain of salt. In fact, I take most documentaries with a grain of salt.
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #3 - April 05, 2010, 03:19 AM
    Although, his latest docu. Capitalism: A love Story, was pretty good, but the conclusion was wayyy incorrect.
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #4 - April 05, 2010, 03:35 AM
    I like s lot of his work and he makes some good points but he doesn't attempt to be objective or fair at all. I'm all for stricter gun control but I got pissed off when he went to old and cenile Charlton Heston's house and after being invited in he starts trying to guilt him over the shooting death of a little girl.
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #5 - April 05, 2010, 03:38 AM
    Yeah, objective is something Michael Moore def. is not.

    Have you watched Jesus Camp? Now that's a worthwhile docu. to watch!  Afro
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #6 - April 05, 2010, 03:40 AM
    This quote made me LOL

    “Europeans think Americans are fat, vulgar, greedy, stupid, ambitious and ignorant and so on. And they've taken as their own, as their representative American, someone who actually embodies all of those qualities [Michael Moore].”

    Christopher Hitchens
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #7 - April 05, 2010, 04:10 AM
    Quote from: Submissive Bob on April 05, 2010, 03:35 AM
    I like s lot of his work and he makes some good points but he doesn't attempt to be objective or fair at all. I'm all for stricter gun control but I got pissed off when he went to old and cenile Charlton Heston's house and after being invited in he starts trying to guilt him over the shooting death of a little girl.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1iuEcu7O50



    Okay, so why the hell did he try to make him feel guilty? It's not like he had anything to do with the death of that little girl.
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #8 - April 05, 2010, 05:44 AM
    If I remember it was becuase Heston used to appear in public as a mouthpiece for the National RIfle Association and would be wheeled out sometimes when there was a killing spree. He turned up at Columbine,the day aofter the shooting to declare that there isnt a problem with guns in the states. I think it was the cynisism and the non-empathy for the victims that Moore was upset about , quite rightly inmy opinion.  I know he turned up at similar incidents but  cant remember the details. It was this that Moore found repugnant as well as some of the questionable quotes that are attributted to him regards calling the safety switch on guns a useless invention. Heston was a pardox of a man, as a young man he picketed restaurants who segregated blacks from whites,then turned into a close-minded republican later rallying agains the gays in the military and attacking those who questioned why a play about an Asian character was being played by white actor  as racist.
    Moore himself has made some half decent stuff and has been at the forefront of some worthy campaigns, however the man himself I find to be a bit  up himself and a hypocrite.
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #9 - April 05, 2010, 06:04 AM
    Quote from: Kaffir Latte on April 05, 2010, 05:44 AM
    If I remember it was becuase Heston used to appear in public as a mouthpiece for the National RIfle Association and would be wheeled out sometimes when there was a killing spree. He turned up at Columbine,the day aofter the shooting to declare that there isnt a problem with guns in the states. I think it was the cynisism and the non-empathy for the victims that Moore was upset about , quite rightly inmy opinion.  I know he turned up at similar incidents but  cant remember the details. It was this that Moore found repugnant as well as some of the questionable quotes that are attributted to him regards calling the safety switch on guns a useless invention. Heston was a pardox of a man, as a young man he picketed restaurants who segregated blacks from whites,then turned into a close-minded republican later rallying agains the gays in the military and attacking those who questioned why a play about an Asian character was being played by white actor  as racist.
    Moore himself has made some half decent stuff and has been at the forefront of some worthy campaigns, however the man himself I find to be a bit  up himself and a hypocrite.


    But even if that's true, the man has nothing to apologize for. I'm a supporter of the 2nd amendment, and I too do not think guns are the problem. I do find however some of Heston's quotes, especially regarding safety locks on guns, ridiculous - nonetheless, despite his lack of empathy, he has nothing to apologize for, imho.
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #10 - April 05, 2010, 06:46 PM
    I think MM presents social and economics problems with a lot of ethos and pathos, I just don't think his solutions would work out very well. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #11 - April 05, 2010, 07:01 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on April 05, 2010, 06:04 AM
    But even if that's true, the man has nothing to apologize for. I'm a supporter of the 2nd amendment, and I too do not think guns are the problem. I do find however some of Heston's quotes, especially regarding safety locks on guns, ridiculous - nonetheless, despite his lack of empathy, he has nothing to apologize for, imho.

    He may have nothing to apologize for his support of guns , however surely his pre-empting of criticism regards the Columbine killings and heading to that town to give a talk about freedom to carry arms was as cynical as it was disrespectful to the families of the dead? They hadnt even been buried before he got on the podium. I think for that a fair-minded person could ask for an apology.
    As for Moore you gotta laugh at his study of capitlism , on sale at all good outlets for $39 , if he wants his message to get to the people who are most affected by it then he should have given it away, he can afford it.
    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #12 - April 05, 2010, 07:17 PM
    He's a great filmmaker. Bowling for Columbine was his best but not by far. Fahrenheit 9/11 and Sicko were quite good too.

    I do take him seriously and I wish people in the States do too. His solutions are not perfect but largely they are in the right direction.

    @Tommy and KL, he wasn't necessarily arguing for strict gun control. In the movies he goes to Canada and concludes that most Canadians have guns. He basically blamed the media for promoting a fear culture and enforcing racial stereotypes. 
  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #13 - April 05, 2010, 07:32 PM
    Quote from: Kaffir Latte on April 05, 2010, 07:01 PM
    however surely his pre-empting of criticism regards the Columbine killings and heading to that town to give a talk about freedom to carry arms was as cynical as it was disrespectful to the families of the dead? They hadnt even been buried before he got on the podium. I think for that a fair-minded person could ask for an apology.


    I don't think that matters. Whatever time he gave his speech about his passion for guns, is protected by his right to free speech -  he doesn't have to apologize; nor should we expect, him to give an apology simply because we think it's disrespectful. That would be imposing our opinion on someone, who doesn't agree.

    Do I think it's disrespectful? Of course, that's without a doubt! But I don't demand an apology.


    Quote from: Kaffir Latte on April 05, 2010, 07:01 PM
    As for Moore you gotta laugh at his study of capitlism , on sale at all good outlets for $39 , if he wants his message to get to the people who are most affected by it then he should have given it away, he can afford it.


    +1
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #14 - April 05, 2010, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on April 05, 2010, 07:17 PM
    @Tommy and KL, he wasn't necessarily arguing for strict gun control. In the movies he goes to Canada and concludes that most Canadians have guns. He basically blamed the media for promoting a fear culture and enforcing racial stereotypes. 


    Actually he does want stricter gun control. He said it himself in a Rachel Maddow interview. And if his film was about blaming the media for promoting racial stereotypes, that interview with Heston doesn't make any goddamn sense then. It actually detours from that message and confuses us all.
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #15 - April 05, 2010, 07:38 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on April 05, 2010, 07:17 PM

    I do take him seriously and I wish people in the States do too. His solutions are not perfect but largely they are in the right direction.



    I don't know if it's in the right direction. His solutions are very radical left. I'm not a right wing or a left wing guy; I'm a Centrist (left leaning) and even I find MM's solutions very radical and borderline unrealistic. If you watch Capitalism: A Love Story for example, he concludes in the end that FDR's dream of second Bill of Rights never came true, when in reality, A LOT of his propositions in the 2nd Bill of Rights are taking place today in U.S.
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #16 - April 05, 2010, 08:04 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on April 05, 2010, 07:35 PM
    Actually he does want stricter gun control. He said it himself in a Rachel Maddow interview. And if his film was about blaming the media for promoting racial stereotypes, that interview with Heston doesn't make any goddamn sense then. It actually detours from that message and confuses us all.

    In the documentary he argues that the blame is on the media and the fear culture. If you remember the documentary when he went to Canada, he talked about his amazement that many of the Canadian he talked with left the front doors open. And when he talked with Heston, he asked him why the US has a higher murder rate than Canada even though guns are available in both countries. This was where Heston alluded to Canada being more racially-homogeneous, a point which Moore focused on and kept bringing up until Heston got pissed showed Moore the door.
    But I haven't seen that Maddow interview so if he said it, then I stand corrected.

    Quote from: Tommy on April 05, 2010, 07:38 PM
    I don't know if it's in the right direction. His solutions are very radical left. I'm not a right wing or a left wing guy; I'm a Centrist (left leaning) and even I find MM's solutions very radical and borderline unrealistic. If you watch Capitalism: A Love Story for example, he concludes in the end that FDR's dream of second Bill of Rights never came true, when in reality, A LOT of his propositions in the 2nd Bill of Rights are taking place today in U.S.

    I don't know about "very radical left". Is being against the Iraq war a radical left position?
     
    On healthcare, he's for a single-payer system but earlier this year he said in an interview with Bill Maher that he'd be satisfied with a public option. I don't think that is a radical left position.

    As for Capitalism I haven't seen it but from what I've heard you're right, his "solution" was very leftist. Like I said I don't agree fully with him but I do share many of his views such as advocating more accountability for the bank and more financial regulation specially with regards to derivatives, bets, and CDSs (whatever the fuck they are).
  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #17 - April 05, 2010, 08:27 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on April 05, 2010, 08:04 PM
    In the documentary he argues that the blame is on the media and the fear culture. If you remember the documentary when he went to Canada, he talked about his amazement that many of the Canadian he talked with left the front doors open. And when he talked with Heston, he asked him why the US has a higher murder rate than Canada even though guns are available in both countries. This was where Heston alluded to Canada being more racially-homogeneous, a point which Moore focused on and kept bringing up until Heston got pissed showed Moore the door.
    But I haven't seen that Maddow interview so if he said it, then I stand corrected.
    I don't know about "very radical left". Is being against the Iraq war a radical left position?



    Well I don't speak for Heston, but he is *somewhat* correct. The gun problem here in the states is tied to gang violence, drug smuggling, and other crimes of which ethnic minorities are mostly part of. That is by no means to say they are the only reason, but from a demographic standpoint, I can kinda see what Heston was getting at.

    It's a shame that Heston didn't get to clarify himself. After Heston gave a vague reply that sounded borderline racists, MM had him pin to the wall simply on that one point - MM didn't give him a chance to breath. So I can see why Heston walked off.

    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on April 05, 2010, 08:04 PM

    On healthcare, he's for a single-payer system but earlier this year he said in an interview with Bill Maher that he'd be satisfied with a public option. I don't think that is a radical left position.


    Can't disagree with you there.

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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #18 - April 05, 2010, 09:52 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on April 05, 2010, 08:27 PM
    After Heston gave a vague reply that sounded borderline racists, MM had him pin to the wall simply on that one point - MM didn't give him a chance to breath. So I can see why Heston walked off.

    Yeah it was very immature and silly of MM. He shoulda given Heston an opportunity to explain himself.
  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #19 - April 05, 2010, 11:00 PM
    This guy is pretty funny so I thought I post his views on Moore.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVLMSvWyBNA
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  • Re: Michael Moore?
     Reply #20 - April 05, 2010, 11:17 PM
    It's ironic Steven Crowder made a parody of MM. That idiot uses the same immature tactics as MM to pin people to the wall to spread his own biased message. A very good example is when he went to Berkley University and did that interview. The way he edited that entire interview, and the way he asked the questions, made it seem the Berkley students didn't know shit about U.S history; when in reality the students were trying to give him an accurate answer which really lies in the gray and isn't all black and white. And yet, he didn't bother to say that on the Sean Hannity show. He decided to play the edited version to give an under the belt punch at Berkley University--a school that is very much filled with leftists students. A lot of times students who are on the very radical left.

    The only difference between SC and MM is that MM is very leftwing, and SC is very rightwing (and a goddamn Canadian  Tongue).

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