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  • Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     OP - April 08, 2010, 07:21 PM

    Recently a member here said that his FB account had been deleted.  Then yesterday, I saw that Sabina England (the deaf Muslim playwright, as she bills herself) had been deleted.  Today, she or one of her friends posted this article to her FB fan page. 

    http://jilliancyork.com/2010/04/08/on-facebook-deactivations/


    Quote
    On Facebook Deactivations

    Over the course of the past week, I’ve gotten reports from a number of people whose personal Facebook pages have been removed or deleted from the Facebook platform. At first, it was a male friend in Morocco. Then a female, Moroccan friend in Boston. Then an Indian woman in the UK. And then even more.

    Once I investigated a bit further and spoke to each of them, I discovered what each of them have in common: All of them are critical of Islam (some are atheists, others ex-Muslims, still others reformers) and post frequently articles and status updates about the religion.

    And then someone told me that a group was created on Facebook (in Arabic) for the sole purpose of reporting, and thus having removed, Facebook profiles of atheist Arabs. The group, which appears to have also been removed, was entitled “Facebook pesticide” and its sole purpose was to “identity Atheists / Agnostic / anti-religion in the Arab world and specifically in Tunisia …” Once identified, the group members would then attempt to report such users.

    Of course it’s problematic that there’s a group of people seeking to destroy the online identities of users of a certain group, but that’s not the issue I’m going to address in this blog post. Instead, I will address why Facebook’s strategy toward dealing with situations like this is so problematic:

       1. The Facebook platform makes it all too easy for users to get other users’ accounts removed. Any user can report another user by the simple click of a button.  Facebook has not spoken publicly about how this process works, but my suspicion is that when a number of users report the same user, their profile is automatically disabled.  What happens next I can only speculate about, but from accounts I’ve received, Facebook does not contact users, rather, users may write to “disabled@facebook.com” to request their account be reinstated.  Sometimes it happens, other times it doesn’t.

          A screenshot of Facebook's "report" function

       2. Facebook’s Terms of Service (TOS) require users to use a real name for their profile.  This gives would-be attackers a simple way to report a person’s profile.  In the case of Arab activists in particular, many tend to use pseudonyms because of the risks they encounter in their home countries.  Therefore, it is simple to effectively report and have someone’s profile removed if that’s the case.

       3. Facebook does not inform users that their profile has been removed, nor does it tell them why. Unlike YouTube, Flickr, and other social media platforms, Facebook does not inform users that their profile has been removed (or why); it simply deletes them.  The only method of recourse (sending an email to “disabled@facebook.com”) does not guarantee a response, and in many cases, users report never receiving one.  Sabina England, whose profile was recently deactivated, says she was never given a reason, nor has she received a response to her many emails to Facebook.

       4. Facebook requires people to show government identification to prove they are who they say they are. Recently, my friend, activist Najat Kessler, had her Facebook profile deactivated.  She wrote to “disabled@facebook.com” and received a prompt reply, the text of which read:

             
    Quote
    On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:23 PM, The Facebook Team <appeals+0pmdmcp@support.facebook.com> wrote:
              Hi,

              At this time, we cannot verify the ownership of the account under this address. Please reply to this email with a scanned image of a government-issued photo ID (e.g., driver’s license) in order to confirm your ownership of the account. Please black out any personal information that is not needed to verify your identity (e.g., social security number). Rest assured that we will permanently delete your ID from our servers once we have used it to verify the authenticity of your account.

              Please keep in mind that fake accounts are a violation of our Statement of Rights and Responsibilities. Facebook requires users to provide their real first and last names. Impersonating anyone or anything is prohibited.

              In addition to your photo ID, please include all of our previous correspondence in your response so that we can refer to your original email. Once we have received this information, we will reevaluate the status of the account. Please note that we will not be able to process your request unless you send in proper identification. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

              Thanks,

              Dominique
              User Operations
              Facebook


          So basically, we’re supposed to trust Facebook to handle our identities with care?  Facebook, of the notoriously sketchy Privacy Policy?  No thanks!

    The rest of this I’ve written about here.  Effectively, the problem is this: For activists, Facebook’s terms of service are simply not clear enough, and its methods for profile removal and reinstatement not transparent.

    My recommendations to Facebook?

        * First and foremost, offer transparency to your users.  Yes, Facebook is a private, free platform, but users expect to be able to use it.  It is your right to create whatever Terms of Service you want, but be clear, consistent, and transparent when enforcing them.

        * Be consistent…There are multiple profiles for Jesus Christ on Facebook that have been allowed to remain, yet “Sabina England” (a very public pseudonym representing a real person) is not allowed to stay?  Furthermore, why is it so important that users use their real names, anyway?  Don’t you realize the risks people must take in certain countries?

        * Change your TOS.  Telling us that we must not use Facebook in manner that “infringes or violates someone else’s rights or otherwise violates the law” is too vague–are you referring to United States law?  If yes, then say so.  If not, then which law?  Saudi Arabian law, for example, would require that women cover their hair.  German law would ban Holocaust denial (which Facebook famously allows to remain on the site).  Be clear with your users.

    Any other recommendations you’d make to Facebook?


    Does anyone know of the Arabic  language group she is referring to?

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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #1 - April 08, 2010, 08:44 PM

    Thanks for giving us a heads up. Fuck.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #2 - April 08, 2010, 08:58 PM

    Fuck Facebook.

    German ex-Muslim forumMy YouTubeList of Ex-Muslims
    Wikis: en de fr ar tr
    CEMB-Chat
    I'm on an indefinite break...
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #3 - April 08, 2010, 09:35 PM

    Ah, I thought it was yours, Aziz, but I couldn't remember. 


    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #4 - April 08, 2010, 09:49 PM

    they have been at it on Paltalk over the last couple of days as well , apparently there have been mass attacks on the servers so much so that Paltalk issued an update yesterday to close the hole they were exploiting, no surprise that it was the sites on teh Religion section that got it most  people getting kicked ,unable to log back in , there accounts being hijacked etc, that Religion section includes athiest , agnostic, mad christians, bhuddist etc, basically non-muslims, whilst non of the muslim rooms were affected. Coincidence? Nah.

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #5 - April 08, 2010, 10:10 PM

    This is a worrying development. I have never felt comfortable on Facebook - I find it confusing and the controls difficult to find my way around - apart from anything.

    Sabina is/was one of my friends and just tried to find here but (don't laugh) can't understand how to find my friends.

  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #6 - April 08, 2010, 10:22 PM


    Muslims are getting their shit together to do jehad against apostate scum online. It is good and righteous work for them.





    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #7 - April 08, 2010, 10:29 PM

    Sabina is/was one of my friends and just tried to find here but (don't laugh) can't understand how to find my friends.


     Smiley You're adorable LOL

    Ok on fb, go to your own Profile. On the left column, where it shows your friends, click on View All. That should take you to your list of friends.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #8 - April 08, 2010, 10:35 PM

    This isn't just a problem with facebook, it's everywhere! It's been a problem with youtube too (ZOMGitsCriss was just one example). This is really getting bloody ridiculous! Hopefully if they keep exploiting these loopholes it will give these companies a heads up and they'll do something about, otherwise it's gunna be up to us atheists to sort if out for them!
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #9 - April 08, 2010, 10:36 PM

    This is a worrying development. I have never felt comfortable on Facebook - I find it confusing and the controls difficult to find my way around - apart from anything.

    Sabina is/was one of my friends and just tried to find here but (don't laugh) can't understand how to find my friends.

    That's cause you're old grin12
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #10 - April 08, 2010, 10:45 PM

    Smiley You're adorable LOL

    Ok on fb, go to your own Profile. On the left column, where it shows your friends, click on View All. That should take you to your list of friends.


    lol... thanks found it - and Sabina's not there. I have her email so I will email her. We have been friends since way back when I met her on ummah.com - we were both still Muslims then but very doubting ones. She has been round my house to - she is an amazing person playwright, artist, actress and all this while overcoming her deafness - truly amazing person.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #11 - April 08, 2010, 10:46 PM

    That's cause you're old grin12


    So true Peru  grin12  and it's getting worse lol
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #12 - April 08, 2010, 10:50 PM

     Cheesy awwww that's kinda cute far away hug

    God knows how you find your way around CEMB Tongue

    lol... thanks found it - and Sabina's not there. I have her email so I will email her. We have been friends since way back when I met her on ummah.com - we were both still Muslims then but very doubting ones. She has been round my house to - she is an amazing person playwright, artist, actress and all this while overcoming her deafness - truly amazing person.

    She sounds cool Afro What happened to her faith? She still a muslim or agnostic?
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #13 - April 08, 2010, 10:53 PM

    Sabina was Clashcityrocker on ummah.com if anyone remember the good old days there - she had the "London's Burning" avatar that BlagDog has!
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #14 - April 08, 2010, 10:56 PM

    Cheesy awwww that's kinda cute far away hug

    God knows how you find your way around CEMB Tongue
    She sounds cool Afro What happened to her faith? She still a muslim or agnostic?


    Well she's an ex-Muslim, though she wasn't comfortable with that term last time we chatted about it - though that was a while ago now - I'm terrible at keeping in contact.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #15 - April 08, 2010, 11:00 PM

    Can I call you gramps Hassan?  grin12

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #16 - April 08, 2010, 11:01 PM

    Sure you can sonny jim!  grin12
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #17 - April 08, 2010, 11:02 PM

    Cheesy The wise ol' man of CEMB cool2
    Well she's an ex-Muslim, though she wasn't comfortable with that term last time we chatted about it - though that was a while ago now - I'm terrible at keeping in contact.

    You and me both.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #18 - April 08, 2010, 11:03 PM

    Sure you can sonny jim!  grin12

    Thanks gramps   thnkyu

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #19 - April 09, 2010, 11:26 AM

    From Sabina:

    yes!! a lot of people emailed FB on my behalf and my account was restored a while back ago! They even apologized to me.

    People say its actually rare FB restores profiles, but because I got sooo many people to flood FB with demands, they listened and they said "sorry' to me. they never gave me a reason why I was banned, though. i wish i knew. some people think I was reported to FB by a bunch of conservative Muslim dickbags!!

    have a great weekend, Hass, hope all is well w/ u x
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #20 - April 09, 2010, 11:33 AM

    Cool. Good that they gave it back to her anyway.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #21 - April 09, 2010, 01:07 PM

    That must be why they banned your account Aziz, because lots of people reported it.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Facebook Accounts Being Deleted?
     Reply #22 - April 09, 2010, 07:07 PM

    Use fake names. Criticize Islam. Get suspended. Send them falsified / photoshopped ID cards. Maybe from little known countries.
    Like they can check if they are true or false anyway.

    If they bust you, repeat the process.

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
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