Does Satan know that God is not that powerful?

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Does Satan know that God is not that powerful?
OP - April 23, 2010, 01:19 PM

From a religious prespective:

I was wondering if Satan (Shaytan) knows that Allah or God is not that powerful. Becasue if he was living near him up in the heavens since eternity, and saw how strong and almighty he was would he dare to disobay him? If I were him, I wouldn't unless I know that he is not that powerful.

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Reply #1 - April 23, 2010, 01:31 PM

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Reply #2 - April 23, 2010, 01:57 PM

I have had a similar line of thought before.

It's also interesting to compare Satan with someone who speaks out against or stands up to a totalitarian dictatorship. They are instantly labeled as "evil liars" and other things by the government, much like Satan is in the Bible. Maybe we aren't getting the full story here.

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Reply #3 - April 23, 2010, 02:18 PM

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LOL so is it safe to say that Satan was the first ever apostate?

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Reply #4 - April 23, 2010, 02:20 PM

Speaking of the tree of knowledge. Is it just in the Bible that the forbidden tree was the tree of knowledge (of good and evil you may add) or is it also in the Qur'an/Hadith? As far as I remember the tree was just forbidden and it wasn't specified why it was.

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Reply #5 - April 23, 2010, 03:39 PM

Quote from: RIBS on April 23, 2010, 02:18 PM
LOL so is it safe to say that Satan was the first ever apostate?

According to the myth the gist of it is as follows:-

Satan's "sin" is not that of apostasy because he believes in the existence of God. His sin is the one of arrogance and rebellion. Techinically, the reason his sin is such an enormity is that the arrogance was committed in divine presence. Whereas the muslim etc commits the sin in the "belief" that God is watching him, which gives the believer the impetus to ask for forgiveness "until" his death. If he persists in that until his death (such as apostasy) then there is no forgiveness.

Satan's amnesty or his request is that he should be kept alive in order to beguille the seed of Adam and lead them astray from the straight path. This can take many forms and usually has to do with whispering suggestions to the believer in which he violates some of the prohibitions that God has invoked. Now the question has nothing to do with whether or not the prohibition in itself makes sense, but has more to do with the willingness of the believer to submit to the prohibition and restrain himself from violating it. The job of Satan is to merely suggest not coerce. What Satan is trying to demonstrate is that the seed of Adam by it's very nature is ungrateful and that it won't be thankful to it's Lord.
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Reply #6 - April 23, 2010, 04:16 PM

According to the Shia doomsday mythology as I read in the Urdu language book "Chowda Sitarey" (Fourteen Stars) that was compiled by many renowned Shia scholars and ulema from the Indo-Pak region half a century or so back, Satan will be defeated and then slaughtered by the 12 Imam at the banks of the River Euphrates in Iraq after the final battle between good and evil.

They just HAD to make the whole Karbala issue reach ridiculous levels didnt they?

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Reply #7 - April 23, 2010, 04:18 PM

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According to the Shia doomsday mythology as I read in the Urdu language book "Chowda Sitarey" (Fourteen Stars) that was compiled by many renowned Shia scholars and ulema from the Indo-Pak region half a century or so back, Satan will be defeated and then slaughtered by the 12 Imam at the banks of the River Euphrates in Iraq after the final battle between good and evil.

Would make a good battle scene in a movie though.

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Reply #8 - April 23, 2010, 04:32 PM

Satan and Allah in Islam are the same thing. He's just trying to mess with people's heads.

There are a number of verses the hint towards this. Satan misleads people, Allah misleads people. Satan wants people to go to Hell, Allah says 'I will fill Hell with men and Jinn.' Satan says he will make misguidance look good to people, Allah says he makes wordly and misleading things pleasing to people.

Allah says in hadith al-qudsi 19 that he will cast into the hellfire those who compete with him in regards to pride and greatness.

Hm, which one is more of an asshole...
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Reply #9 - April 23, 2010, 04:49 PM

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Hm, which one is more of an asshole...

what is happening here??

Allah/Satan.. God/Satan.. asshole.. ass/hole

well make one as ass and other one as hole..

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Reply #10 - April 23, 2010, 05:58 PM

Quote from: billy on April 23, 2010, 04:18 PM
Would make a good battle scene in a movie though.

LOL..... Lord of the rings style?

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Reply #11 - April 23, 2010, 06:08 PM

Quote from: RIBS on April 23, 2010, 01:19 PM
From a religious prespective:

I was wondering if Satan (Shaytan) knows that Allah or God is not that powerful. Becasue if he was living near him up in the heavens since eternity, and saw how strong and almighty he was would he dare to disobay him? If I were him, I wouldn't unless I know that he is not that powerful.

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The whole story of God, Satan and Adam and Eve in the garden also - just make God sound human and far from an almighty Omniscient and Omnipotent supreme being.

I mean what's with the 'you can have everything but don't eat from that tree' all about - what a pathetic stupid tease God is.
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Reply #12 - April 23, 2010, 06:11 PM

And as someone (can't remember who) pointed out - if they didn't have knowledge of good/evil right/wrong - then they didn't know it was wrong to disobey god and eat from that tree (That he pointed out to them - knowing they were curious creatures - because he fucking made them that way)

Pile of shit - all of it!

Satan is such a funny character - so obviously man-made bogey man!
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Reply #13 - April 23, 2010, 06:13 PM

Quote from: RIBS on April 23, 2010, 05:58 PM
LOL..... Lord of the rings style?

Yeah, exactly like that! Or from The Mummy

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Reply #14 - April 23, 2010, 07:04 PM

Quote from: Zebedee on April 23, 2010, 04:32 PM
Hm, which one is more of an asshole...

Obviously God, at least Satan actually tries to do things himself instead of sitting around and letting his followers do all the work for him.
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Reply #15 - April 23, 2010, 07:54 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on April 23, 2010, 04:49 PM
what is happening here??

Allah/Satan.. God/Satan.. asshole.. ass/hole

well make one as ass and other one as hole..

Haha! Yes, Mr. Yeezevee.

Quote from: Aurora on April 23, 2010, 07:04 PM
Obviously God, at least Satan actually tries to do things himself instead of sitting around and letting his followers do all the work for him.

Yeah. That and Satan doesn't torture people forever for not kissing his ass.
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Reply #16 - April 23, 2010, 08:06 PM

Quote from: Hassan on April 23, 2010, 06:11 PM
And as someone (can't remember who) pointed out - if they didn't have knowledge of good/evil right/wrong - then they didn't know it was wrong to disobey god and eat from that tree (That he pointed out to them - knowing they were curious creatures - because he fucking made them that way)

Pile of shit - all of it!

Satan is such a funny character - so obviously man-made bogey man!

Yeah, Hass, that was nice analysis. I never thought of it that way.

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Reply #17 - April 23, 2010, 08:27 PM

Quote from: RIBS on April 23, 2010, 02:18 PM
LOL so is it safe to say that Satan was the first ever apostate?

I sense stirrings of satan-worship. Shall we commemorate him?

Sigh, that would be a good public-holiday. I think I could avoid admitting that any of it is actually real.

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Reply #18 - April 23, 2010, 08:34 PM

Quote from: RIBS on April 23, 2010, 02:18 PM
LOL so is it safe to say that Satan was the first ever apostate?

No satan was the best of the worshippers. He just did now want to bow down to men - he just had pride issues. Understandably, he was further down the the evolutionary chain with a tail, pointy ears, full set of incisors and all.

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Reply #19 - April 23, 2010, 08:41 PM

Quote from: Ephemeral on April 23, 2010, 08:27 PM
I sense stirrings of satan-worship. Shall we commemorate him?

OMG, I am a closet satan worshiper, and I did not know it!

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Reply #20 - April 23, 2010, 10:46 PM

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OMG, I am a closet satan worshiper, and I did not know it! mysmilie_977

That didn't rhyme, Dr. Seuss.

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