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 Topic: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence

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  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #90 - February 16, 2011, 11:21 PM

    Well, I can totally relate to those kids, you know? I had a teacher who used to beat us senseless. Maybe that's why I turned out the way I did.  wacko
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #91 - February 16, 2011, 11:51 PM

    CEMB Press Release:

    On Channel 4’s Dispatches: Lessons in Hate and Violence
    Statement of the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain and One Law for All
    17 February 2011
     
    Channel 4’s Dispatches: Lessons in Hate and Violence on Islamic schools in Britain confirms the urgency of addressing the question of faith schools. Whilst the teachings of hatred in these schools are not surprising, it is nothing short of scandalous that vulnerable children are left to the mercy of Islamists despite years of evidence of abuse and violations of child safety and protection rules.
     
    Religion in general, and Islam more so because of the rise of Islamism, will indoctrinate children – often violently. What is being taught at the schools profiled in the programme is what some of our members have been taught in Islamic schools in Britain and elsewhere. Religious schools by nature must teach the superiority of their belief system and the baseness of non-believers and kafirs. The teachings exposed on the programme show a deep-seated hatred not just for non-Muslims but Muslims and ex-Muslims who do not conform to Islamist standards. For too long, however, these schools have been allowed to carry on business as usual by feigning to distance themselves from those who have been exposed and by giving lip service to social harmony and cohesion.
     
    Rather than being unusual, as the Muslim Council of Britain asserts, such teachings are very much the norm: half the Islamic schools in Britain are from the same Deobandi persuasion as one of the schools profiled. Like Sharia law courts, where women in particular are routinely denied equal rights, Islamic schools routinely deny children’s rights. Rather than promote social harmony and cohesion, they segregate and divide. Rather than being anti-racist, they are a profoundly racist phenomenon, making sub-standard schools for ‘different’ children permissible.
     
    Despite mountains of evidence, the government continues to promote and fund free schools, whilst hypocritically denouncing multiculturalism. Also, the likes of John Hemming, the Liberal Democrat MP for Birmingham Yardley, are more concerned with hate mail received by the school, rather than the safety of the children attending these schools.
     
    This is precisely what is wrong with multiculturalism. It gives precedence to cultures and religion rather than vulnerable children, cowering from their teachers, and being routinely beaten, abused and indoctrinated to hate each other, their friends and the world outside. And it says that human beings – depending on how they are pigeon-holed - are fundamentally different, and should be treated as such. This identity politics and its privileging of difference is what lead to extremism – whether it be the far-Right Islamist or English Defence League versions.
     
    Unfortunately, the debate on faith schools has for too long focused on scrutiny, monitoring, (one of the schools profiled had been commended for its interfaith teaching), and changing admission codes and employment practices rather than that they are fundamentally bad for our children. This is because they are more concerned with the inclusion of religion – the religion of the child's parents – than the inclusion, wellbeing and educational needs of the child.
     
    How the government will be able to stand by once again, after witnessing the heartbreaking acts of violence against children as young as five years old, is yet to be seen. Given that only one person has been arrested and no schools shut down, it seems that once again it will be giving precedence to religion over the needs, welfare and rights of children.
     
    Let’s be clear. Schools and faith are antithetical to each other. Education is meant to give children access to science, reason and the advances of the 21st century. It is meant to level the playing field irrespective of and despite the family the child is born into. It is meant to allow children to think freely and critically – something that religion actually prohibits and punishes.
     
    Education can only truly be guaranteed by a secular educational system and by ending faith schools once and for all.
     
    Notes:
     
    For more detail, comment or information, contact:
    Maryam Namazie
    Spokesperson
    One Law for All
    Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
    Tel: +44 (0) 7719166731
    onelawforall@gmail.com
    ex-muslimcouncil@gmail.com
    www.onelawforall.org.uk
    www.ex-muslim.org.uk
     
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #92 - February 16, 2011, 11:59 PM


    Good press release, Hassan.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #93 - February 17, 2011, 12:09 AM

    Pretty good. Has a couple of rather woolly sentences, but it gets the message across.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #94 - February 17, 2011, 12:14 AM


    By the way, I wonder what Sayeeda Warsi feels about all of this, in the aftermath of her speech decrying 'anti faith bigotry'

    The truth is, like a self censoring blanket of taboo, stigmatising the scrutiny of religious institutions is what becomes inhibited when you try to attack secularism under the canard of 'anti faith bigotry'


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #95 - February 17, 2011, 01:22 PM

    Warsi is one of those people who doesn't mind criticising Muslim society and to an extent Islamic interpretations unless the criticism is coming from non-Muslims.

    When the criticism comes from non muslims however it instantly turns from acceptable academic debate into racist intolerant nazi bigoted islamophobia.

    Or RINBI for short.



  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #96 - February 17, 2011, 01:39 PM

    often hear? madrassas are usually a supplement to education in the eyes of muslims, not a replacement :/

    my parents wouldn't dream of sending me to a madrassa full-time


    +1

    The documentary was not that shocking. I would say it is very common.

    I had to go Madrassas after school and weekends. Dropped it as soon I could.
    I used to get hit on the head when I didn't get Arabic teaching right or hit on the hand with a ruler.
    The women teachers were so horrible, they couldn't speak English or our language properly so when they pronounced Arabic words, I often got it wrong
    So yeah, fun times :/

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #97 - February 19, 2011, 04:56 PM

    That press release makes a very salient point.  Which is most important the protection of extreme religious beliefs or the protection of the child? One will mess him up mentally and the other physically. Unfortunately Mind Fucking is not really covered by the law, in fact it enjoys its protection when it comes to religion, However physical abuse of children is part of UK law and it should be fully enforced. One man has been arrested but surely he is but a drop in this violent ocean?  Why can there not be fulltime independent (  of other religious persuasion or none ) monitors in these private schools,who can report back on any misgivings they have? Inspectors give warning of their visits and of course this gives time for them to put on a nice show and say all the right things.

    I really hope some concrete action comes out of this

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #98 - February 19, 2011, 05:12 PM


    So I again say,  the problem in Islam is NOT Quran or hadith or whatever happened in the history but it is brainless Beard.. beard.. beard.. preaching bullshit



    So the beardos are just acting on their own child-beating impulses?
  • Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #99 - March 17, 2013, 07:46 PM

    The filming of this required lot of hard work. One of the person, an Ex Muslim, I know indirectly who spied for channel 4 to get this documentary out. Good for them to expose this bigotry and violence from these madrassa nonsense
  • Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #100 - March 18, 2013, 09:45 AM

    There are several comments in this thread that this behaviour is common.

    We have currently the Jimmy Saville enquiries and I understand this week there are going to be several high profile arrests.

    The catholic church is going through similar issues.

    May I ask everyone here who has witnessed this or experienced it to formally report it to the Police, it does not matter how long ago it happened.  The Police will then be able to build up networks and webs of evidence - it does not matter that anyone's individual evidence is weak.

    The Police and prosecution services are acknowledging in rape and in child cases that they have failed to listen to victims.

    Would the moderators here research and publish what are the best ways to report these matters to the Police and how best to present evidence members have?

    It might be quite easy to end this quickly.  There will be noise but this must be done.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #101 - April 28, 2014, 11:51 PM

    This one just aired on Danish TV - so bump

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  • Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #102 - April 29, 2014, 09:17 PM

    Interesting! Someone knows where I can watch this online?

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Dispatches: Lessons in Hate & Violence
     Reply #103 - April 29, 2014, 11:47 PM

    Tjänare Kornblomst grin12

    http://vimeo.com/85376088

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