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OP - February 09, 2011, 04:49 PM

Looking forward to this Channel 4 documentary. Monday 14th February, 8 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isr4BlMtwgY

A friend of mine went to the school that is in the first part of the trailer, It's Darul Uloom in Small Heath Birmingham. He tells me that he remembers the Principal of the school doing a flying kick on one of the boys and kids were regularly smacked accross the face and hit with canes accross their palms. So nothing new there.

There was also a rumour that the Principal's youngest son ran away from home because after his mother died, his father just got another wife within a few weeks. I wonder whatever happened to that guy?

Some muslims are already calling it an 'islamophobic shockumentary' without even having watched it first.
http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/lessons-hate-violence-another-islamophobic-dispatches-shockumentary-42266/
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Reply #1 - February 09, 2011, 05:09 PM

Thanks for the heads up. Looking forward to seeing this.

Lets face it, its basically an open secret amongst Muslims that abuse goes in on madrassas in the UK.

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Reply #2 - February 09, 2011, 05:15 PM

That footage of children being hit should see those bastards put in prison. There is a big problem with madrassas being unregulated. Often, Muslims set up a madrassa in a house, and children are left to the devices of cruel tyrannical men, who are violent bigots and think they have divine licence to assault kids.

Also, it starts right here, the inculcation of suspicion, bigotry and hatred towards others. The constant indoctrination in the idea that non Muslims are to be loathed and are worthy of contempt. When you have institutions that teach this, how can integration not be impeded? And in certain social contexts, like in the milltowns in the north of England, which are already segregated, how can this be anything other than totally at fault and inimical for so much that ails Muslims in the UK?

This is horrific in every way.

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Reply #3 - February 09, 2011, 05:22 PM

^ +1

Can't wait to see this.

I am just waiting for the day, if it ever comes, that the government actually stands up and has the balls, to do something about this.

Every other religion is criticised as freedom of speech, but when we come to Islam, we stutter and run away. Where's our freedom of speech then?
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Reply #4 - February 09, 2011, 05:40 PM

I hope they take them to task over hitting kids in Arabic classes. I've had 4 Arabic teachers and from those 4, 3 have hit me -- one of them even had a long stick to hit us with. It was really scary as a kid, they always stressed how you need to be careful when pronouncing Arabic words and how if you pronounce one word wrong, you change the meaning of the sentence and Allah will punish you for it, but before Allah could punish us they thought they'd get a few hit ins whenever we mispronounced anything. This is a real problem within the Muslim community and certainly isn't isolated to a few fringe extremist mosques.

I even experienced racism at a (mainly) Pakistani mosque where I was the only Bengali student and the Pakistani teacher never called me by my name and always referred to me as "bangali" (in a derogatory tone). Islam forbids racism, lol.

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Reply #5 - February 10, 2011, 06:30 AM

"Jews and Christians are allowed their own schools so it's ONLY FAIR that Muslims should be allowed the same. Yet more evidence, if any is needed, that normal notions of "fairness" cannot be applied to Islam.

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Reply #6 - February 10, 2011, 06:56 AM

I can't wait to hear the reaction of the MCB or MPAC spokes-people regarding kids getting beat at Quranic classes in mosques. They surely can't be brave enough to use the "it's a minority" excuse on this one. They all know full well that this occurs in the VAST MAJORITY of mosques on a daily basis and this has been the case for decades.

On a side note, I can imagine Inayat Bunglawala getting beat back in the day for incorrect pronunciation and being a slow learner, and Asghar Bukhari getting beat for misbehaving, and Sheikh Ibrahim Mogra getting beat when he was learning the Quran by heart and forgot the odd verse.

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Reply #7 - February 10, 2011, 09:37 AM

Quote from: abzm94 on February 09, 2011, 05:22 PM
Every other religion is criticised as freedom of speech, but when we come to Islam, we stutter and run away. Where's our freedom of speech then?

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Reply #8 - February 10, 2011, 12:50 PM

Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on February 09, 2011, 05:40 PM
.....It was really scary as a kid, they always stressed how you need to be careful when pronouncing Arabic words..

It sure sucks when God doesn't speak your language ^_-

Quote from: DH on February 10, 2011, 06:30 AM
"Jews and Christians are allowed their own schools so it's ONLY FAIR that Muslims should be allowed the same. Yet more evidence, if any is needed, that normal notions of "fairness" cannot be applied to Islam.

You have a point, I mean these schools exploits the fact they have the 'freedom' to do whatever they want under its my religion shield. Sadly since it appears to be the norm I doubt few people have spoken up about it, it's hard to see something as injustice when you are use to it.

Question? Are most Muslims subjected to attending schools which teaches the Quran?

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Reply #9 - February 10, 2011, 01:12 PM

I'm really looking forward to seeing this

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Reply #10 - February 10, 2011, 01:24 PM

Well that is going to be rerun of this with a bit more spices added to it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8vxc2yqyMs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1moz3UwQrzc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRyA_SjsmAI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvEvv7Z2x-Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc5Ebl692xs

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Reply #11 - February 10, 2011, 01:30 PM

You gotta love the covert camera! So long as there's no entrapment. I love investigative journalism. I was tempted to do some myself on various issues.

The Muslims had years to nip this practice in the bud.
A quick google search for "madrassa abuse smacking" returned:
March 2006: Madrassa children ‘at risk of abuse’
Dec 2008: Teachers 'beat and abuse' Muslim children in British Koran classes
Jan 2010: Smacking pupils in part-time schools could be banned

Quote from: Shahid Raza on February 10, 2011, 06:56 AM
On a side note, I can imagine Inayat Bunglawala getting beat back in the day for incorrect pronunciation and being a slow learner, and Asghar Bukhari getting beat for misbehaving, and Sheikh Ibrahim Mogra getting beat when he was learning the Quran by heart and forgot the odd verse.

@Shahid Raza: LOL!

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Reply #12 - February 10, 2011, 01:48 PM

man i personally only ever got hit once in a madrassa because i was a crafty bastard who always got away with doing shit

however i had this personal qur'an tutor when i was like 10 who, when i got tajweed wrong, used to turn my face at him and slap me :/

he justified this to my mother by saying 'we have to put pressure on them'. i sort of lol at it but then i realise that it sometimes doesn't stop with slaps :E.
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Reply #13 - February 11, 2011, 05:39 AM

Serrated colon. What were your parents' motivations in sending you to a madrassa?

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Reply #14 - February 11, 2011, 10:22 AM

Quote from: IGiveUp on February 09, 2011, 04:49 PM
Some muslims are already calling it an 'islamophobic shockumentary' without even having watched it first.
http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/lessons-hate-violence-another-islamophobic-dispatches-shockumentary-42266/

I don't get what they're bitching about, playing muzzie victims again. Did they not see the teacher beat those kids?
I don't get these guys, I really don't.

Any chance of watching this outside UK? I have BBC and such, but not sure of Channel 4

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Reply #15 - February 11, 2011, 10:42 AM

It will probably be up on youtube at some point afterwards.

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Reply #16 - February 11, 2011, 12:16 PM

Quote from: DH on February 11, 2011, 05:39 AM
Serrated colon. What were your parents' motivations in sending you to a madrassa?

not sure why you ask but i suppose it's to further the indocrination of the children into their respective faiths :/
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Reply #17 - February 11, 2011, 02:25 PM

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not sure why you ask but i suppose it's to further the indocrination of the children into their respective faiths

So it wasn't because, as we often hear, that they were the only places available to them that offered you something resembling an education?

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Reply #18 - February 11, 2011, 04:05 PM

often hear? madrassas are usually a supplement to education in the eyes of muslims, not a replacement :/

my parents wouldn't dream of sending me to a madrassa full-time
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Reply #19 - February 11, 2011, 08:16 PM

Quote from: billy on February 09, 2011, 05:15 PM
That footage of children being hit should see those bastards put in prison. There is a big problem with madrassas being unregulated. Often, Muslims set up a madrassa in a house, and children are left to the devices of cruel tyrannical men, who are violent bigots and think they have divine licence to assault kids.

Also, it starts right here, the inculcation of suspicion, bigotry and hatred towards others. The constant indoctrination in the idea that non Muslims are to be loathed and are worthy of contempt. When you have institutions that teach this, how can integration not be impeded? And in certain social contexts, like in the milltowns in the north of England, which are already segregated, how can this be anything other than totally at fault and inimical for so much that ails Muslims in the UK?

This is horrific in every way.

My cousin goes to one. Highly regulate them, then close down those that wouldn't pass an Ofsted audit.

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Reply #20 - February 13, 2011, 11:03 PM

This type of abuse used to happen in all British schools.I suffered it on a regular basis when I was kid. It dosen't do anyone any good and leaves you full of hate.

http://www.corpun.com/counuks.htm

To be honest all religous schools have had bad reputations for child abuse,especially those run by sexually repressed monks and nuns.
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Reply #21 - February 13, 2011, 11:22 PM

Quote from: Tony on February 13, 2011, 11:03 PM
This type of abuse used to happen in all British schools.I suffered it on a regular basis when I was kid. It dosen't do anyone any good and leaves you full of hate.

http://www.corpun.com/counuks.htm

To be honest all religous schools have had bad reputations for child abuse,especially those run by sexually repressed monks and nuns.

All British Schools?? All?? Damn., I should stay away any one who went to School in England..

I am sorry to hear that you suffered in British Schools Tony. please get over it and start fresh..

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Reply #22 - February 13, 2011, 11:51 PM

Yep they sure were back in the day.
I got hit plenty in school too when caning etc was still allowed. Used to get the wooden blackboard eraser thrown at me. I always hurled it back though.

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Reply #23 - February 14, 2011, 12:10 AM

Quote from: serrated_colon on February 10, 2011, 01:48 PM
man i personally only ever got hit once in a madrassa because i was a crafty bastard who always got away with doing shit

however i had this personal qur'an tutor when i was like 10 who, when i got tajweed wrong, used to turn my face at him and slap me :/

he justified this to my mother by saying 'we have to put pressure on them'. i sort of lol at it but then i realise that it sometimes doesn't stop with slaps :E.

I never went through the madrassa system in the UK, and tbh, I mainly had a secular education even back in Kenya; but I kinda know what the madrassas are like (in Leicester, at least).

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Reply #24 - February 14, 2011, 02:13 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on February 13, 2011, 11:22 PM

I am sorry to hear that you suffered in British Schools Tony. please get over it and start fresh..

I got over it long before I left school.Its funny how it stopped around the age of fifteen,the age when you are big enough to hit back..........
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Reply #25 - February 14, 2011, 08:20 PM

I'm watching the program now.

lol @ the Muslim teacher mocking the Hindus for drinking cow urine. oh, the irony!

Another irony moment was when the preacher said that non-Muslims use mind control techniques. lol

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Reply #26 - February 14, 2011, 09:20 PM

Just saw it - I have long said that these Dar-uloom schools that are styled on the Madrassas in Muslim countries should be closed down - no ifs and buts - I can't understand why they are tolerated.

Of course I believe all faith schools should be closed - but these types are the worst of the worst!
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Reply #27 - February 14, 2011, 09:36 PM

The MCB just tweeted this:

We have just seen Channel 4 Dispatches programme on the coverage of some Islamic Schools and will be releasing a statement shortly.

I can't wait to read it...

I just saw the programme too. Dr Taj Hargey said that the word "kafir" is like the N word. Fair play to him for being a moderate but I really don't understand how he reconciles his opinions with the Quran. Does he want the word removed from the holy book?

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Reply #28 - February 14, 2011, 09:38 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bradford-west-yorkshire-12452115

The bearded baboon that hit the kids has been arrested.

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Reply #29 - February 14, 2011, 09:51 PM

it's already on youtube! i cannot see part 2 tho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3hFT6gJ8NE

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