Sorry. Been a little busy in the last couple of days..
No you didn't. I asked what you personally believe. Now let me ask you this question, what about a person born in Saudi to a Saudi mother and Egyptian father and lived all their lives in Saudi. Do you personally consider such person a Saudi? if you were capable of changing the law would grant this person citizenship?
yes, of course. Saudi blood runs in their veins, so they are Saudi, but that's just me... officially, they are not, though.
off topic:
would you be so liberal as to accept that your children carry your wife's last name? (assuming the system allows it).
That's red-herring. You said women in Saudi have drivers and are not oppressed so I gave you an example of a Saudi girl who felt oppressed because of the laws of Saudi.
Correction: I did NOT say they were not *opressed*. Show me where I said that. I specifically said there are no *atrocities* against them... the injustice (not atrocity) is that the state entrust's a woman's freedom to her family.
For my ex it wasn't easy and will never be easy until laws are changed.
yeah? I bet if your ex had a choice between living in Saudi or living in Egypt, actually earning her living, chances are high she would choose Saudi.
You see that's the kind of mentality I fucking hate. Some people think women are like crystal vases or jewelries that should taken care of and protected. They don't see them as equals who should have every right a man have.
IA, you don't understand... those "suffering" women, in a typical middle class *Riyadh* family (I'm not sure about other cities), throw tantrums if their families refuse to pay for their dresses, which they insist on changing for most of the frigging parties they go to.. they go like this: "ooooh, no, my friend Sara, already saw me in this dress, the other day, and she's attending the same party I'm going to next week! I have to buy a new dress!"... atrocities? huh?
And you don't see that as oppression? you see what I mean?
I already explained this point above.
It's about double standards Debunker. These attitudes are not unique to Saudi, they exist in Iraq as well. But they're worse in Saudi.
Again, see above... the scholarship decisions are controlled by the family in the case of women (and *undergrad* boys as well).
Wait. So there has never any cases where the rape victim was killed by her family because of the "dishonour" and the authorities turned their back? never?
I never heard of it... now that you mention it, I remember only one case... A Royal chopped off the head of his daughter and her husband because they fled the country and married without his consent... he convinced them both that all was forgiven and they returned back to Saudi only to be executed but that was many years ago. But the Royal, here, of course, was shitting on the Law... he was practically as powerful as a king.
Is this what passes for an argument Debunker? why talk for them and decide for them? why not allow it and let them decide?
what argument did you think I was making? how about you re-read my response which you took out of context?
Topic: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)