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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #60 - June 17, 2010, 09:03 PM

    I cannot say that for sure.  It seems to me that because her good deeds will outweigh her bad and she believes in the God of abraham, He will forgive her the other part.  That's how it seems to ME, but of corse, Judgment is not my department.I think His Mercy will come into play and she will receive her reward.


    Yep, she's on a bit of a knife edge - better pray and hope hard - because the Abrahamic God is pretty vengeful and ruthless in punishment - good luck to you and her  Afro

    Here's another vid for you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz3dyvqDSdE

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #61 - June 17, 2010, 09:11 PM

    Rasheed.. strictly for arguement's sake...


    Of course!    Wink

    IF i had been dissuaded by "weak muslims"


    Bearing in mind that I was asked my opinion as to why I THINK you all are now exMuslims, I will not know the REAL reasons until you tell me.  Be careful not to argue that post as if I claimed it was true fact.

    ...then why would THEY go to jannah and i wind up in hell fire?


    Weak Muslim - (noun) someone who is Muslim in name only, who does not really believe and loves sowing mischief on the earth more than they love doing good; someone who claims to be Muslim but whose bad deeds outweigh their good deeds

    I'm saying that if you let the behavior of this type of person (and there are MANY of them in all faiths) determine how YOU see the walk on the Righteous Path, and actually allowed it to alter your own belief, then you are ALL hellbound.

    If Allah predestined me, or even any good muslim for hell fire...


    If you believe in allah, resist evil and do good deeds, you will have your reward.  You will have no need to fear, nor shall you grieve.  Period.  That is the message from the Lord of the Worlds.  A "good muslim" meets these qualifications.  If the people around you are weak muslims, for the sake of your OWN soul, don't let them drag you into hell.  Separate yourself from them and know Peace.

    Please.

    And if there WAS a point, why is so much haram on earth suddenly, and mysteriously halal in jannah?   Huh?


    You actually lost me on that  one.  Say that over in a different way so I understand.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #62 - June 17, 2010, 09:18 PM

    So you're saying it's all our choice and Allah has no say or control over our choices?


    Correct.

    He's not that omnipotent?


    He is truly Omnipotent.

    Or he does not want to meddle with our "free will"


    Exactly.

    ...he wants to test us?


    Yes.

    So he can burn the majority of humans in hell for eternity?


    If that is what THEY choose.

    And that means he's merciful?


    His Mercy is reserved for those who decide to believe and sincerely make the effort but fall short.  They is no mercy for the unrepentant rejecter of faith.

    Sure, that makes loads of sense.


    I does to me.  lol

    Nice drawings, BTW.


    Thank you very much!

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #63 - June 17, 2010, 09:20 PM

    Yep, she's on a bit of a knife edge - better pray and hope hard - because the Abrahamic God is pretty vengeful and ruthless in punishment - good luck to you and her  Afro


    He is Most Compassionate and Most Merciful.  I believe she will win in the end because she is sincere.  But it is not to late for her to see the fullness of the Truth.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #64 - June 17, 2010, 09:21 PM

    My prince it is ALL about choice.  The choice to believe.  


    No such thing. Believing isn't a choice. It is something forced upon you by experience. If it's a choice, then choose to believe the keyboard you're typing with doesn't exist. Choose to believe there is a unicorn in my bedroom. If we had 'free will' then you should be able to, but you can't. Consider a situation in which you hear an explosion, and then immediately after you witness a tree falling down. You would, naturally, believe that the explosion caused the tree to fall down. Was it out of choice, or was it because you are aware of the destructive nature of large explosions? A short while later you witness another tree falling down, but this time without an explosion. Now you probably no longer believe that the explosion caused the first tree to fall. So you investigate and find a man cutting down tress. Now you believe that the man cut both the trees down. Was it out of choice, or because you have directly witnessed the source of the tree felling? Anyway, you go home with this new found belief, ignorant to the fact that the first tree WAS felled by an explosion. The following day a man tries to convince you of this fact. You, of course, do not believe him. Is this out of choice or is it forced upon you by the experience of witnessing the man cutting down the trees? So you stay ignorant, with this false belief, through no fault of your own. The other man has the correct belief, purely by the accident of his life and what he experienced. Where does choice come into it?

    Where did choice come into your decision to become a Muslim? When you were young and impressionable and naturally accepted what adults told you? When you were researching  and was swayed by certain arguments, due to your own past experiences with logic and the world around you? Where? Where have I made the choice to disbelieve? I want to believe there is a happily ever after, eternal life, beautiful women etc, but I can't. I can't choose to believe, something has to  make me believe, and until that happens, I won't. I can't.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #65 - June 17, 2010, 09:22 PM

    [4:48]
    God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. --   Yusuf Ali

    Well, if your wife believes that Jesus is God and Allah does not forgive that sin, what do you think he would do?


    Scold her.  I don't think it will override her numerous good deeds that were done sincerely to please Him even though He said it won't be forgiven.  It might be overriden.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #66 - June 17, 2010, 09:22 PM

    Would you torture your child for eternity if they don't do what you say?

    If you answer no, you are more moral than the fictitious Arab desert god, "Allah".

    BTW, you do know that Islam allows for slavery, right? That Islamic slave trade was a large supplier of African slaves to Europeans? That Islamic countries got rid of slavery the latest, and only under pressure from the west? That the Quran allows for slavery, and for taking females as war booty? That Allah allows for slave rape? What are your feelings about that?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_slavery

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #67 - June 17, 2010, 09:23 PM

    He is Most Compassionate and Most Merciful


    Yes, and you said he is Just, also - yet you didn't answer some of the questions I asked.

    For example - How is it Just - or Merciful and Compassionate - to torture someone for eternity?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #68 - June 17, 2010, 09:25 PM

    You realize that 1.5 billion people go to heaven while the rest burn right? That's the majority of the planet. Not to mention all the people that didn't believe in Muhammad and Allah since the 7th century. And not to mention all the people before Muhammad.

    Saying that people were muslims before Muhammad is simply not accuarte when comparing it to the actual beliefs people have held and had in the past.

    The Egyptians didn't believe in Allah
    The Greeks didn't believe in Allah
    The Romans didn't believe in Allah
    The Vikings didn't believe in Allah
    The Australian aboriginals didn't believe in Allah
    The Native Americans didn't believe in Allah
    The Aztecs didn't believe in Allah
    The BlackDogs didn't believe in Allah (one of the most advanced civilizations, some say Atlantis was really the Blackdoggian Utopia)

    There is no proof of Allah, Islam or similar in any scriptures outside the Islamic ones and at a stretch (major one at that) the Judeo-Chrisitan scriptures

    Islam was a religion from a 7th century time, in a remote desert in Arabia, in an obscure and imprecise language. And you mean this is the universal message that all people of all time since the dawn of Homo Sapiens until the end of our kind have to believe in?

    We're talking

    Jinns
    Black Magic
    Houris
    Little boys like pearls serving food
    Heaven
    Hell
    Devil
    Angels
    Slavery
    Wife abuse
    Sex with captives
    Jihad

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #69 - June 17, 2010, 09:25 PM

    He is Most Compassionate and Most Merciful.


    His Mercy is reserved for those who decide to believe and sincerely make the effort but fall short.  They is no mercy for the unrepentant rejecter of faith.


    You're contradicting yourself. You might want to look up the phrase "Cognitive Dissonance".

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #70 - June 17, 2010, 09:30 PM

    I cannot say that for sure.  It seems to me that because her good deeds will outweigh her bad and she believes in the God of abraham, He will forgive her the other part.  That's how it seems to ME, but of corse, Judgment is not my department.I think His Mercy will come into play and she will receive her reward.

    I think you are trying to be kind, even though you know this is not true.  The Quran is mubeen, & those that believe Jesus is God will go to hell.  If I thought Rashid Khalifa was Allah, then I would also be bound to hell.  

    If you believe in the Quran, you must also believe that its says she will have her face torched, reskinned then torched for eternity.  All for believing in the wrong religion.

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #71 - June 17, 2010, 09:31 PM

    He is Most Compassionate and Most Merciful.  I believe she will win in the end because she is sincere.  But it is not to late for her to see the fullness of the Truth.


    She probably feels the same way about you Grin

    You should have a pray-off Grin

    (I hope you don't think I'm rude, just having a laugh. You can laugh at me when I burn in hell)

    vv

    83:29 Lo! the guilty used to laugh at those who believed,     (83:29-36)
    83:30 And wink one to another when they passed them;
    83:31 And when they returned to their own folk, they returned jesting;    
    83:32 And when they saw them they said: Lo! these have gone astray.    
    83:33 Yet they were not sent as guardians over them.    
    83:34 This day it is those who believe who have the laugh of disbelievers,    
    83:35 On high couches, gazing.    
    83:36 Are not the disbelievers paid for what they used to do ?


    It should have ended with:

    83:37 Verily, he who laughs last; laughs best  grin12
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #72 - June 17, 2010, 09:31 PM

    okay... here are a few ayats.  What is the theme?  Sex, wine, and more sex.  And then some more sex after that.
    WHERE does it discuss fellowshipping with god?  Except for a brief "salam" at the start of things.  Then its off to
    more sex, laying around in green silk getting a non suntan, and then more sex.  And why the emphasis on the
    "pretty boys" serving everyone?

    Quran 56: 10-40

    And their recompense shall be Paradise, and silken garments, because they were patient. Reclining therein on raised thrones, they will see there neither the excessive heat of the sun, nor the excessive bitter cold, (as in Paradise there is no sun and no moon). And the shade thereof is close upon them, and the bunches of fruit thereof will hang low within their reach. And amongst them will be passed round vessels of silver and cups of crystal, Crystal-clear, made of silver. They will determine the measure thereof according to their wishes. And they will be given to drink there a cup (of wine) mixed with Zanjabil (ginger, etc.), A spring there, called Salsabil. And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls. And when you look there (in Paradise), you will see a delight (that cannot be imagined), and a great dominion. Their garments will be of fine green silk, and gold embroidery. They will be adorned with bracelets of silver, and their Lord will give them a pure drink.

    Quran 76: 12-21

    Verily, for the Muttaqun, there will be a success (Paradise); Gardens and grapeyards; And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age; And a full cup (of wine). No Laghw (dirty, false, evil talk) shall they hear therein, nor lying; A reward from your Lord, an ample calculated gift (according to the best of their good deeds). (From) the Lord of the heavens and the earth, and whatsoever is in between them, the Most Beneficent, none can dare to speak with Him (on the Day of Resurrection except after His Leave). The Day that Ar-Ruh [Jibrael (Gabriel) or another angel] and the angels will stand forth in rows, none shall speak except him whom the Most Beneficent (Allah) allows, and he will speak what is right.

    Quran 78 31-38

    And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise). Every time they will be provided with a fruit therefrom, they will say: "This is what we were provided with before," and they will be given things in resemblance (i.e. in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwajun Mutahharatun (purified mates or wives), (having no menses, stools, urine, etc.) and they will abide therein forever.

    Quran 2: 25

    Say: (O Muhammad SAW) "Is that (torment) better or the Paradise of Eternity promised to the Muttaqun (pious and righteous persons - see V.2:2)?" It will be theirs as a reward and as a final destination. For them there will be therein all that they desire, and they will abide (there forever). It is a promise binding upon your Lord that must be fulfilled.

    Quran 25: 15-16

    This is a Reminder, and verily, for the Muttaqun (pious and righteous persons - see V.2:2) is a good final return (Paradise), -, Adn (Edn) Paradise (everlasting Gardens), whose doors will be open for them, [It is said that one can speak to the doors, just one tells it to open and close, and it will open or close as it is ordered].Therein they will recline; therein they will call for fruits in abundance and drinks; And beside them will be chaste females (virgins) restraining their glances only for their husbands, (and) of equal ages. This it is what you (Al-Muttaqun - the pious) are promised for the Day of Reckoning! (It will be said to them)! Verily, this is Our Provision which will never finish;

    Quran 38: 49-54

    And Paradise will be brought near to the Muttaqun (pious - see V.2:2) not far off. (It will be said): "This is what you were promised, - (it is) for those oft-returning (to Allah) in sincere repentance, and those who preserve their covenant with Allah (by obeying Him in all what He has ordered, and worship none but Allah Alone, i.e. follow Allah's Religion, Islamic Monotheism). "Who feared the Most Beneficent (Allah) in the Ghaib (unseen): (i.e. in this worldly life before seeing and meeting Him), and brought a heart turned in repentance (to Him - and absolutely free from each and every kind of polytheism), "Enter you therein in peace and security; this is a Day of eternal life!" There they will have all that they desire, and We have more (for them, i.e. a glance at the All-Mighty, All-Majestic swt ).

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #73 - June 17, 2010, 09:35 PM

    Aye.  I believe in Justice, Clear Rules to Follow, and Obedience.  Both Heaven and Hell are parts of that package.

    Dooooood,
    Think it through dude!
    ETERNAL TORMENT IN HELL....  and for what crime?  Not believing in an unprovable, illogical entity, who seems suspiciously like an insecure, authoritarian, manly figure.
    and you still consider him to be the 'most merciful'.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #74 - June 17, 2010, 09:38 PM

    OK so how do you explain that some hadiths were not corrupted but the majority were?


    There was a specific time period in which it was fashionable to simply make up hadiths to support whatever the folk were philosophizing about.  The later efforts to remove the non-authentic hadith were slipshod at best, leaving us with this nonsense.  Fortunately the Qur'an is still A-Okay.

    I mean how do you pray? You got that from hadiths.  How much do you pay in zakat?  What about hajj? What about fasting during ramadan? All the specifics are explained in the hadiths.  


    lol
    BlackDog I would think it obvious that the hadiths in which the Prophet showed us how to actually perform our religion would be easily verifiable.  But something like "The prophet said if you draw a pic of bugs bunny you're going to hell and so is your mom!" should be reasonably suspect.

    To me.  

    Why did you say the shahada when that's not even in the Quran?


    Bear witnessing that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad was His apostle?  Be careful that your nit-picking does not wander into the land of the ridiculous.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #75 - June 17, 2010, 09:38 PM

    are you a creationist MRasheed?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #76 - June 17, 2010, 09:41 PM

    You should have a pray-off Grin


    Great suggestion  Afro

    They could enter The Ultimate Praying Championship

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_E4haW1upw
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #77 - June 17, 2010, 09:41 PM

    Cheesy
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #78 - June 17, 2010, 09:42 PM

    Rasheed.. i am interested in this "new" theory about DNA.. please explain?

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #79 - June 17, 2010, 09:43 PM


    His Mercy is reserved for those who decide to believe and sincerely make the effort but fall short.  They is no mercy for the unrepentant rejecter of faith.



    What is there to forgive in that case, being human? So his mercy is reserved for those that make the correct decision, that is, to follow Islam, and not for anyone else? Essentially what you've said is that Allah will forgive you until you make a mistake, until you do something that needs forgiving. Awesome.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #80 - June 17, 2010, 09:43 PM

    are you a creationist MRasheed?


    Define the term so we are clear.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #81 - June 17, 2010, 09:49 PM

    Would you torture your child for eternity if they don't do what you say?

    If you answer no, you are more moral than the fictitious Arab desert god, "Allah".

    QED. Afro

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #82 - June 17, 2010, 09:50 PM

    you didn't answer some of the questions I asked.


    "You're just going to have to forgive me for that." Eric Draven, The Crow

    lol It was not my intention to miss your questions.  I'm having a discussion with 700 people at once!  Surely you can cut me some some slack, Hassan?

    For example - How is it Just - or Merciful and Compassionate - to torture someone for eternity?


    His Mercy and Compassion are reserved for those who sincerely make the effort to reach towards Him.  If you avoid the major sins He will blanket forgive the lesser ones, and even still if you repent He will forgive the major ones too (Except for that one.  You know.)  That is His Mercy and Compassion in practical application.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #83 - June 17, 2010, 09:54 PM

    "You're just going to have to forgive me for that." Eric Draven, The Crow

    lol It was not my intention to miss your questions.  I'm having a discussion with 700 people at once!  Surely you can cut me some some slack, Hassan?

    His Mercy and Compassion are reserved for those who sincerely make the effort to reach towards Him.  If you avoid the major sins He will blanket forgive the lesser ones, and even still if you repent He will forgive the major ones too (Except for that one.  You know.)  That is His Mercy and Compassion in practical application.


    So, if you were God would you create a world of mostly-doomed humans and send them to Hell forever for not worshipping you, even though you neither needed nor perhaps even wanted their worship?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #84 - June 17, 2010, 09:58 PM

    I would consider myself an orthodox Muslim.  I believe the Qur'an is what it claims to be, and I only recognize hadith that support what the Qur'an says.


    Is this the "orthodox" view?

    She will of course have to answer for her belief in the Divine Sonship Doctrine, but she believes in doing good deeds and avoiding evil, and Allah DID say the Christian was one of His people.  In the end, our individual walk on the righteous path is our own.


    I cannot say that for sure.  It seems to me that because her good deeds will outweigh her bad and she believes in the God of abraham, He will forgive her the other part.  That's how it seems to ME, but of corse, Judgment is not my department.I think His Mercy will come into play and she will receive her reward.


    THE THIRD NULLIFIER
    Third: Whoever does not hold the polytheists to be disbelievers, or has doubts
    about their disbelief or considers their ways and beliefs to be correct, has
    committed disbelief.


    What this Nullifier means is: that one does not believe that the polytheists are upon disbelief. The term “polytheists” is general and includes all of the various types of disbelievers. Therefore, every disbeliever is a polytheist. So whoever does not hold a disbeliever to be as such, then he himself is a disbeliever, just like him. Whoever does not consider the Jews or the Christians or the Magians (Majoos) or the idol worshippers or the hypocrites or the Communists to be disbelievers then he himself is a disbeliever. The same goes for one who has doubt about their disbelief, such as one who says: “I’m not sure, it is possible that the Jews may be upon truth.” Or he may say: “It’s alright for humans to practice the Judaic faith or the Christian faith or the Islamic faith – they are all heavenly religions” as some people (today) do, calling to the coming together of the three religions. Whoever holds this belief is a disbeliever. One must believe that the Jews are disbelievers and that they are upon a false religion. And he must free himself from them and their Religion and hate and make enmity with them for the sake of Allaah. Likewise, with the Christians, one must hold that they are disbelievers. And the same goes with the idol worshippers, the Majoos and all the other different types of disbelievers.

    Likewise, one commits disbelief if he doubts whether they are disbelievers, such as when someone says: “I don’t know if the Jews are disbelievers or not, they may be upon truth.” This person has committed disbelief. One must have determination and firmly hold that they are upon disbelief.

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #85 - June 17, 2010, 09:59 PM

    "You're just going to have to forgive me for that." Eric Draven, The Crow

    lol It was not my intention to miss your questions.  I'm having a discussion with 700 people at once!  Surely you can cut me some some slack, Hassan?


    lol sure - I understand Smiley

    His Mercy and Compassion are reserved for those who sincerely make the effort to reach towards Him.  If you avoid the major sins He will blanket forgive the lesser ones, and even still if you repent He will forgive the major ones too (Except for that one.  You know.)  That is His Mercy and Compassion in practical application.


    I sincerely made the effort to reach towards him. Will he forgive me and send me to Heaven even though my sincere efforts led me to ultimately disbelieve in him?

    Or is a 'sincere effort' a euphemism for one who's 'sincere efforts' ends up with him/her as a 'believer'?

    Funny how Christians tell me to pray to Jesus for answers and when I tell them I got no response they say I didn't make a 'sincere effort'.

    And to be forgiving and compassionate to those who are good and obey is not forgiveness and compassion in an ordinary sense - let alone All-Forgiving and All-Compassionate. The Merciful of the Merciful.

    Worse still is to torture them for eternity!

    How is it Just - Merciful or Forgiving - to torture people for eternity?

    Even if - for arguments sake - we agree disbelief is blameworthy - how is eternal torture a Just punishment?

    Why not just kill them - if he must.

    Why keep them alive so he can keep them screaming in unbearable agony for all eternity.

    Honestly, Rashid?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #86 - June 17, 2010, 10:10 PM

    What this Nullifier means is: that one does not believe that the polytheists are upon disbelief. The term “polytheists” is general and includes all of the various types of disbelievers. Therefore, every disbeliever is a polytheist. So whoever does not hold a disbeliever to be as such, then he himself is a disbeliever, just like him. Whoever does not consider the Jews or the Christians or the Magians (Majoos) or the idol worshippers or the hypocrites or the Communists to be disbelievers then he himself is a disbeliever. The same goes for one who has doubt about their disbelief, such as one who says: “I’m not sure, it is possible that the Jews may be upon truth.” Or he may say: “It’s alright for humans to practice the Judaic faith or the Christian faith or the Islamic faith – they are all heavenly religions” as some people (today) do, calling to the coming together of the three religions. Whoever holds this belief is a disbeliever. One must believe that the Jews are disbelievers and that they are upon a false religion. And he must free himself from them and their Religion and hate and make enmity with them for the sake of Allaah. Likewise, with the Christians, one must hold that they are disbelievers. And the same goes with the idol worshippers, the Majoos and all the other different types of disbelievers.

    Likewise, one commits disbelief if he doubts whether they are disbelievers, such as when someone says: “I don’t know if the Jews are disbelievers or not, they may be upon truth.” This person has committed disbelief. One must have determination and firmly hold that they are upon disbelief.


    Hi DigDug - where is that quote above from?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #87 - June 17, 2010, 10:12 PM



    http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3274

    OUTSTANDING thread... and many of the questions these "sisters" have, are ALSO the questions I had,
    and i was NOT satisfied with the answers.  

    1.  Who the HELL wants to be a virgin again!   finmad
    2.  If god wanted me to be happy with just one husband, but i didnt want him, WHY will he hypnotize and brain wash me
    into wanting to be happy with an idiot i hated in life?    Cheesy
    3.  Do you think i give a rat's as about lording over hurs and pearly boys for MY HUSBAND'S pleasure, and not  mine??
    4.  My beloved died in '93.  I never married.  And as the quran states, I CAN CHOOSE my own husband.  Okay, I STILL dont want HIM to have hurs, pearly boys, OR another wife!!!     finmad
    I do not find these issues 1)pious or holy  2)equality for women  3) condusive to a holy attitude by/from men.
    I DO find the references on this particular forum to be 1)Sexist  2)written by horny old farts 3)sexual deviants and perverts
    AND WHERE OH WHERE is FELLOWSHIP with god between all the hurs, pearly boys, and wine?Huh?


    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #88 - June 17, 2010, 10:15 PM

    Hassan

    It's from sharh nawaqid ul islam

    h ttp://w ww.scribd.com/doc/19237022/Nullifiers-of-Islam

    Why can't I post links?

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #89 - June 17, 2010, 10:19 PM

    Hassan

    It's from sharh nawaqid ul islam

    h ttp://w ww.scribd.com/doc/19237022/Nullifiers-of-Islam

    Why can't I post links?


    Thanks

    Because you are new - you will be able to post links once you rack up a few more posts Smiley
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