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 Topic: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims

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  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #30 - August 22, 2010, 05:45 PM

    Don't rock the boat any more. Or try to convince them you are right. It sucks but agree with their demands and pretend to go thru the motions.

  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #31 - August 22, 2010, 05:48 PM

    this is the only reasonable choice that i have

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #32 - August 22, 2010, 05:50 PM

    i am just gonna go back and tell them i have been in doubt and am willing to convert back to islam, and i pretend until i am financially independent
    i have to go now

    i will let you know whatever happens?

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #33 - August 22, 2010, 05:56 PM

    Yes, keep us informed. Good luck  far away hug

  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #34 - August 22, 2010, 06:01 PM

    Good luck. Just remember, as long as you're living off of them, they've got the upper hand. It doesn't natter who's right or wrong.

    I highly doubt they'd even be open to the idea that Islam is false - they've dedicated their entire lives to it - and for you to tell them it's a lie, well it isn't going to go down well.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #35 - August 22, 2010, 06:07 PM

     far away hug  Naija!  I hope you can work that out and that they believe you.   Cry
    sometimes I wish I could wave a wand and make all this mess go away.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #36 - August 22, 2010, 06:15 PM

    when you go pray
    think about naked women on the beach

    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #37 - August 23, 2010, 09:43 AM

    Thanks  a lot guys, I appreciate all your concern, support and kindness, it wasn’t one of those days that I liked.

    Here is what really happened, I wasn’t Praying 5 times a day consistently and that’s what caught their attention. Also like I said before we have a mosque in our house. But what really broke the camel’s back was I once told my immediate sister (we became close recently) that I was going out with a Christian girl(we broke up 2 weeks ago). She went and told my mother. What is even sad is that I can’t trust her anymore.

    My parents tracked down my flatmate and interrogated him. It was then he told them that I don’t pray and fast during the ramadan. it was the fasting part that convinced them that I am lost. So I told them the truth to see how they will react which was a risky move.

    After I told my parents about my apostasy, My elder brother was in rage, in fact he even suggested that I should be thrown out of the house because he can’t live with the fact that I am a kaffir and he even said this “no wonder your are still a loser and a black sheep in this family because you have offended Allah”, the news came as a shock to my mother ,when I tried to show them what deism really means they couldn’t bear it in their stomach and couldn’t bother to hear why I apostatize ,because they have already set their mind on converting me back to Islam.

    I even showed them some of the scientific errors in qur’an especially the semen production because my mother was among the muslims championing the fact that Qur’an has a scientific facts before the scientist discover them .She even went to the extent of saying that she believes it, because Muhammad doesn’t know how to read or write and yet it was a miracle that he was able to bring out those scientific proofs. Despite showing them the errors, they still couldn’t believe all they see is their son going crazy spouting nonsense because he has been brainwashed by the enemies of Islam

    When I excused myself from them to take a fresh air, the first thing I could think of was to come and log in CEMB to seek your advice and I would like to thank you guys for your help.

    I realized that I have a lot to lose and will commit social suicide, I am still in college and financially dependent, so I felt that the best thing I can do is to go back to them and tell them that shaytan has tricked me into a doubt so I was lost and I am willing to convert back to Islam(so as to buy more time for myself by pretending)
    To my surprise they believed me and were glad to hear the news, I pronounce the shahada and took ghusl(not really because I used a soap)

    Despite what happened that day I wasn’t happy with the outcome why?
    Because my family can’t accept who I really am, it’s understandable because if I was a Muslim I would react the same way. My parents are educated people especially my father who likes science and I learn a great deal form him. He is a chemical engineer. But I never thought religion could make an educated person become irrational and bias

    Now I fully understand that Religion can blind you away from love and it’s all due to the fear of hell fire.

    You know I wasn’t a serious student but after this incident the first thing I did today in the morning was to kick out my flatmate since I pay the rent and gave him a place to stay. My main goal now is to face my studies, get a good grades so that I can get a good job with a good pay, after I become self reliant, meet the woman of my choice to be with, and create my own family. later on in life I will tell them.
    This may sound evil and harsh but I wish my mother won’t be alive if I come out of the closet again because I don’t think I can bear to watch her in pain and blame herself on how I became lost.

    From now on no more distractions, no more parties or hanging out and living in boredom, Freedom is all I want, and getting good grades is my only gateway
    I will be more cautious with my actions next time.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #38 - August 23, 2010, 11:02 AM

    Good luck Naija Infidel and I wish you the very, very best.   far away hug

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #39 - August 23, 2010, 11:04 AM

    I wish you every luck in the world Naija. You handled what was thrown at you in a very calm manner.

    We are always here if you ever want to rant  far away hug

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #40 - August 23, 2010, 12:35 PM

    This may sound evil and harsh but I wish my mother won’t be alive if I come out of the closet again because I don’t think I can bear to watch her in pain and blame herself on how I became lost.




    Feel your pain big guy. That guilt card they play sucks.

    Maliki yawm ul LULZ
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #41 - August 23, 2010, 01:16 PM

     far away hug far away hug far away hug
    One day, Naija.. your "testimony" will be a very powerful one
    to help others who are in the same situation as yourself. 
    I cannot begin to imagine the pain and frustration YOU are
    going through, and how families are torn apart over one
    book  Cry  I applaud you for your strength to suck it up, and
    put on such a facade, as I know it must be tearing you apart
    inside.  What year in uni are you?  Good for you for kicking
    your room mate out!  May he suffer the fleas of a thousand
    camels! LOL  But on the other hand, wasn't it FEAR that made
    him do what he did, as well?  I am with you in spirit, Naija.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #42 - August 23, 2010, 01:27 PM

    Thanks  a lot guys, I appreciate all your concern, support and kindness, it wasn’t one of those days that I liked.

    *snip*


    It's unfortunate you had to go back on your word,  but understandable, i can empathize, and probably a good choice for now. Best of luck to you in the future. It will work out for you Smiley

    It really shouldn't be this hard!

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #43 - August 23, 2010, 01:43 PM

    Isn't there any kind of "charity organisations" or something similar that helps ex-muslims in these kind of situations, both financial support as well as helping them to find temporary accommodation until they're on their feet?   If not, then there should be imo. 

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #44 - August 23, 2010, 01:53 PM

    He lives in Nigeria, I doubt it.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #45 - August 23, 2010, 01:56 PM

    Quote
    Isn't there any kind of "charity organisations" or something similar that helps ex-muslims in these kind of situations, both financial support as well as helping them to find temporary accommodation until they're on their feet?   If not, then there should be imo.


    Great idea, but ex Muslims, by and large, do not even exist in the consciousness of mainstream society.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #46 - August 23, 2010, 09:41 PM

    Great idea, but ex Muslims, by and large, do not even exist in the consciousness of mainstream society.


    Whats worse is that they dont even exist according to the Muslim community

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  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #47 - August 23, 2010, 10:11 PM

    As well as charitable organisations and suchlike being made available for ex-muslims that are already in western countries, if there could also be a valid claim for asylum to a non-Islamic country granted to any muslim wishing to leave Islam purely on those grounds alone, I wonder what percentage would do so?

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #48 - August 26, 2010, 07:53 AM

    As well as charitable organisations and suchlike being made available for ex-muslims that are already in western countries, if there could also be a valid claim for asylum to a non-Islamic country granted to any muslim wishing to leave Islam purely on those grounds alone, I wonder what percentage would do so?

    I suppose some people wanting to emigrate would claim to be ex-Muslim just to get automatic asylum, and then "revert" to Islam and ask Allah for forgiveness ^_^

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #49 - August 26, 2010, 11:46 AM

    why would a muslim claim to be an ex-muslim just to get automatic asylum and then revert back to Islam?

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #50 - August 26, 2010, 12:02 PM

    Be strong Naija; hang in there; grit your teeth and be like Rambo or Bruce Lee.  Try and be more independent from your parents and life will get easier.



    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #51 - August 26, 2010, 07:56 PM

    you just gotta tell your family
    that you discovered a tougher meaner gawd to worship

    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #52 - September 01, 2010, 12:56 PM

    ..

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #53 - September 01, 2010, 01:10 PM

    you just gotta tell your family
    that you discovered a tougher meaner gawd to worship


    that's a hilarious link  Cheesy

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #54 - September 01, 2010, 03:10 PM

     Cry Cry Cry

    This absolutely breaks my heart!  I asked peruvianskies a similar question,
    "why do they do these things knowing it will only break their own hearts further?"
    And cause more anger and conflict.

    Privacy and freedom of expression are truly treasures!!! 

    don't let them wear you down, Naija.
     far away hug




    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #55 - September 01, 2010, 04:48 PM

    that's fucked
    tell her in clear understandable words
    that she's the reason you haven doubts
    maybe she'll take a moment to wind down

    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #56 - September 02, 2010, 10:01 AM

    I understand her concern and why she is acting hysterical but invading my privacy is what get on my nerves. i told her if she keep on acting like a police by being intrusive then we are going to have serious problem.

    @ shadizar: thanks for you advice, i will keep that in mind
    @ Jinn and tonic: thanks for your kind words as always

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #57 - September 05, 2010, 04:02 AM

    Hey Naija,

    Thanks for sharing your story.  Smiley Glad you found this place of support and I wish you all the strength you need to get through this difficult period. Remember this is not a permanent situation and one day in the not-too-distant future you will be independent. The great news is that you are already mentally independent and there is no greater riches than that! So, chin up, my friend, and remember that you will become a stronger and wiser person through this experience. And remember also that millions of people have made it through far worse situations and you will make it through this too. In the meanwhile, I suggest that you ask your mother for some Islamic books to read. That will calm her down and you can read them and learn more to help you to speak against Islam in the future.

    I loved this comment of yours: "This kind of mentality inhibits their intelligence and represses their creativity which leads them to become unproductive." It shows that you are able to transcend your culture and see it more objectively. A rare feat indeed! So congratulations on freeing your mind and I wish you the wisdom to accept what you can't change in others. I think if you live with a heart of mercy for your family members who are not as enlightened as you are, it will make it easier.




    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."~Steven Weinberg
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #58 - September 05, 2010, 06:56 PM

    thanks newsoul, i appreciate that

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #59 - September 05, 2010, 11:30 PM

    Any time, my friend.  grin12

    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."~Steven Weinberg
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