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 Topic: Fire

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  • Fire
     OP - July 08, 2010, 07:44 PM
    Why is it that when a substance gets cold its shape and molecular build changes and yet when it gets hot not only do these changes happen but a totally new entity of fire appears?
    What is fire?
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #1 - July 08, 2010, 07:47 PM
    What do you mean by "What is fire?"

    fuck you
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #2 - July 08, 2010, 07:49 PM
    Hmmm this is interesting as my friends and I were just talking about fire, what it is, how it's the only substance of its kind... just the other day when we went to the beach at night and found a well lit firewood log just randomly waiting for us. Good times were had dance
    Attached image is missing * fire-beach2.png (1175.97 KB, 1094x821 - viewed 235 times.)
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #3 - July 08, 2010, 07:50 PM
    Almost every ancient and not-so-ancient human society worshiped fire at some point. Remnants of fire-worship can be found in modern day practices, religions and languages too.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #4 - July 08, 2010, 07:53 PM
    I've asked myself this question before too. Most definitions of fire state that it is an action or process that is happening to another object. But it looks to me like fire is an object itself...
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #5 - July 08, 2010, 07:57 PM
    A load of hot gas...
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #6 - July 08, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Which gas?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #7 - July 08, 2010, 08:02 PM
    Cheetah, get your fine, plump little ass in here and sort these philosophizing fuckers out with some hardcore, non-nonsense sciencey shit like you do.
    fuck you
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #8 - July 08, 2010, 08:03 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on July 08, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Which gas?


    Would depend what you're burning.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #9 - July 08, 2010, 08:05 PM
    Quote from: allat on July 08, 2010, 07:49 PM
    Hmmm this is interesting as my friends and I were just talking about fire, what it is, how it's the only substance of its kind... just the other day when we went to the beach at night and found a well lit firewood log just randomly waiting for us. Good times were had dance



    Ha! I can pick you outta the crowd. Is it really that cold there now?
    fuck you
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #10 - July 08, 2010, 08:07 PM
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Fire
     Reply #11 - July 08, 2010, 08:09 PM
    A "scientific" explanation is most welcome, as are all others.

    And yes allat, I also had this thought while around a campfire -  fire is fascinating to watch.

    I think you are right James: fire is, I believe, just an accelerated transfer of energy and yet, our experience of it seems to create an entity in-itself, strange indeed.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #12 - July 08, 2010, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on July 08, 2010, 08:03 PM
    Would depend what you're burning.


    But it's not a gas, is it? It's usually described as the oxidization of any object capable of reacting with oxygen, I'm guessing.

    So it's a reaction that is happening. But to me it looks more like "oxidization" is the reaction and "fire" is a by-product of a reaction, and by-products are objects, and objects are substances, and substances have atoms. Two conflicting beliefs.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #13 - July 08, 2010, 08:15 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on July 08, 2010, 08:11 PM
    But it's not a gas, is it? It's usually described as the oxidization of any object capable of reacting with oxygen, I'm guessing.

    So it's a reaction that is happening. But to me it looks more like "oxidization" is the reaction and "fire" is a by-product of a reaction, and by-products are objects, and objects are substances, and substances have atoms. Two conflicting beliefs.


    It is an oxidation reaction, but the visible flame is gas. Depending on how much oxygen is available and what substance is being burned, you can get a variety of gases. Fire is made of atoms too, and free radicals.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #14 - July 08, 2010, 08:17 PM
    "The flame is the visible portion of the fire and consists of glowing hot gases. If hot enough, the gases may become ionized to produce plasma.[2] Depending on the substances alight, and any impurities outside, the color of the flame and the fire's intensity might vary."
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Fire
     Reply #15 - July 08, 2010, 08:27 PM
    I stand corrected.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #16 - July 08, 2010, 08:50 PM
    Best place to stand I find. Tongue
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #17 - July 08, 2010, 08:55 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on July 08, 2010, 08:02 PM
    Cheetah, get your fine, plump little ass in here and sort these philosophizing fuckers out with some hardcore, non-nonsense sciencey shit like you do.

     Cheesy
    ...
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #18 - July 09, 2010, 12:27 PM
    I have no faith in wiki for most things but on discrete topics ..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire.

    **BANNED**

    Stephen Roberts:    "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours"
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #19 - July 09, 2010, 12:32 PM
    My ass is not plump.   finmad

    Fire is just the result of heat and oxidisation, nothing mysterious about it.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #20 - July 09, 2010, 12:33 PM
    We know what it is a result of. What we were wondering is what it was. Apparently it actually is a gas or mixture of gasses in itself, very hot gasses.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #21 - July 09, 2010, 12:36 PM
    Yes, that's what it is.  Like I said, nothing mysterious about it.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #22 - July 09, 2010, 01:13 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on July 09, 2010, 12:32 PM
    My ass is not plump.   finmad


    Yeah it is. Why do some women think plump ass=fat ass? Would you rather have a flat, bony, pancake ass?
    fuck you
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #23 - July 09, 2010, 05:18 PM
    No, Ispose not.  That's a nice ass in your avatar.   Afro
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #24 - July 10, 2010, 05:31 AM
    check out this link from 4:25

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbrQI0r1B7w

    excellent scientific treatment of fire.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #25 - July 10, 2010, 10:18 AM
    Why don't you guys read   aunt Wiki.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire



    But that is def for chemical fire.,   You also have nuclear fire .. The fire of Sun., or dynamite detonator caps that are often made with metal azides. They don't need O2 to explode.

    Quote
    Why is it that when a substance gets cold its shape and molecular build changes and yet when it gets hot not only do these changes happen but a totally new entity of fire appears?
    What is fire?

    Shape may change a bit but Molecular build up will not change when you drop something in to liquid helium Z10. Interesting question is this temperature scales. Why is it hotter side we go to millions or more degrees where as colder side we locked up at -273.15 C or 0 kelvin...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #26 - July 10, 2010, 12:11 PM
    I think both Cheetah's and Yeezevee's replies are the typical descriptions of fire that we are educated with at school, but I think the typical description is more like an explanation of when fire occurs, rather than what fire is. That diagram above doesn't tell us anything about what fire is, just what it's a result of.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #27 - July 10, 2010, 12:30 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on July 10, 2010, 12:11 PM
    I think both Cheetah's and Yeezevee's replies are the typical descriptions of fire that we are educated with at school, but I think the typical description is more like an explanation of when fire occurs, rather than what fire is. That diagram above doesn't tell us anything about what fire is, just what it's a result of.

    It does NOT tell us "what fire is"......

    interesting point J4m3z.,   words sounds like   "Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle"

    HUP  states  that "precise inequalities that certain pairs of physical properties, such as  position and momentum, cannot simultaneously be known to arbitrary precision"

    Any way talking about these 'Actions and detection"., in all these things detector is extremely important and one of the best detectors is Brain.  That smart guy Christopher Eppig and his colleagues  pubed a paper in  the Proceedings of the Royal Society. It says
    Quote
    The human brain requires a prodigious amount of energy relative to its weight and size. A newborn baby uses 87 per cent of its metabolic energy for the development of its brain; this figure comes down to 44 per cent in a five-year old child. According to the Economist, an adult uses 25 per cent of his metabolic energy on his brain, even though this organ accounts for only two per cent of total body weight.



    Log disability-adjusted life years owing to infectious disease and average national IQ correlate. Image credit: Proceedings of the Royal Society B,  Researchers in the US have noted areas of the world with the lowest average intelligence quotient (IQ) also tend to have the highest rates of infectious diseases, and suggest the energy required to fight off the diseases may hinder brain development in children because both are metabolically costly processes.

    What a power in that small amount of matter.  Without it., we see neither fire nor its effects..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #28 - July 10, 2010, 06:14 PM
    ...we still talking about fire?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Fire
     Reply #29 - July 10, 2010, 06:21 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on July 09, 2010, 12:32 PM
    My ass is not plump.   finmad

    Fire is just the result of heat and oxidisation, nothing mysterious about it.

    Just be careful with the friction though. Sticks - buttocks, whats the difference?
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
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