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  • Hi! I am new here.
     OP - July 19, 2010, 03:44 PM

    Hi or salam alaikum for the muslims.

    Well, it is not so easy to introduce myself. I am a French Muslim since 19 years now and since some years now I do have my issues with Islam. the problem is that you can't talk about it within the community and if you do you know, that you will be shown as a week Muslim or you will have the feeling that your a kind suspect. I did a little research about ex-reverts without expecting to find that kind of forum. I've been reading some of the testimonies and have still a lot to read. I'am praying, did the Hajj and I must say that I am not ready to leave to Islam. I do believe in God and it is something I always did. So, it is not the point for me to believe or not but as I wrote it, I have some issues with this religion and it is I think a good place to talk about it.

    It is my first post, more will come but I still have to read here and will surely ask some questions or give my point of wiew.

    Julien
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #1 - July 19, 2010, 03:45 PM

    Welcome, nice to see you here! Smiley

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #2 - July 19, 2010, 03:48 PM

    enchante Julien.  Hope you get the answers you are seeking   Smiley

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #3 - July 19, 2010, 03:50 PM

    Welcome Julien! Wink  

  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #4 - July 19, 2010, 03:53 PM

    Welcome Julien.

    What exactly are your issues with Islam? 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #5 - July 19, 2010, 03:54 PM

    Bienvenue, Julien. It is possible to still believe in God and not subscribe to any religion.

    I for one would very much like to know more about your background. How you converted (please don't use the word 'revert' it offends me deeply  grin12) and exactly what your issues are with Islam.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #6 - July 19, 2010, 03:59 PM

    Welcome
    Please share your story with us Cheesy and hopefully you enjoy the forum !

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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #7 - July 19, 2010, 04:14 PM

    Welcome Julien, I hope you enjoy your stay here - btw let us know how you found us

    Hi or salam alaikum for the muslims.

    Well, it is not so easy to introduce myself. I am a French Muslim since 19 years now and since some years now I do have my issues with Islam. the problem is that you can't talk about it within the community and if you do you know, that you will be shown as a week Muslim or you will have the feeling that your a kind suspect. I did a little research about ex-reverts without expecting to find that kind of forum. I've been reading some of the testimonies and have still a lot to read. I'am praying, did the Hajj and I must say that I am not ready to leave to Islam.

    If you dont feel ready to leave Islam, dont feel pressured and take your time.  Take a look at my blog if you are looking for some objective material on the matter.

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    I do believe in God and it is something I always did.

     
    Irrelevent, you can still believe in a God and believe Islam is man-made. Why is it necessary that a God would have created a set of rules in a book for us to adhere to?

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    It is my first post, more will come but I still have to read here and will surely ask some questions or give my point of wiew.

    Cool  dance

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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #8 - July 19, 2010, 04:25 PM

    Hi or salam alaikum for the muslims.

    Well, it is not so easy to introduce myself. I am a French Muslim since 19 years now and since some years now I do have my issues with Islam. the problem is that you can't talk about it within the community and if you do you know, that you will be shown as a week Muslim or you will have the feeling that your a kind suspect. I did a little research about ex-reverts without expecting to find that kind of forum. I've been reading some of the testimonies and have still a lot to read. I'am praying, did the Hajj and I must say that I am not ready to leave to Islam. I do believe in God and it is something I always did. So, it is not the point for me to believe or not but as I wrote it, I have some issues with this religion and it is I think a good place to talk about it.

    It is my first post, more will come but I still have to read here and will surely ask some questions or give my point of wiew.

    Julien


    Hi and welcome - rejecting Islam doesn't affect whether you believe in God.

    I'm personally still open to the idea that there is some higher cosmic power.

    Islam is bullshit though - sorry to be so blunt.

    Smiley
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #9 - July 19, 2010, 04:35 PM

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    Islam is bullshit though - sorry to be so blunt.


    that's some cold shit


    btw welcome Julien, hope you enjoy your stay - i'm sure you'll learn a lot here  Smiley

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #10 - July 19, 2010, 04:36 PM

    that's some cold shit


    rofl

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #11 - July 19, 2010, 04:37 PM

    Welcome Julien

    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #12 - July 19, 2010, 04:37 PM

    that's some cold shit


    Hey I'm not bothered if ppl believe in bullshit - most ppl do actually - and it does them no harm - so knock yourself out mate, I'll still be your friend Smiley Just don't expect me to mince my words  grin12
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #13 - July 19, 2010, 04:42 PM

    Hi Julien! Welcome. Smiley

    How did you find us?

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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #14 - July 19, 2010, 04:47 PM

    Welcome Julien!  Smiley

  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #15 - July 19, 2010, 04:48 PM

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    Hey I'm not bothered if ppl believe in bullshit - most ppl do actually - and it does them no harm - so knock yourself out mate, I'll still be your friend  Just don't expect me to mince my words 


    ok calm down, i was just jokin'

    ps Julien, Hassan is a proper harsh bedrin but over the last few months i learnt a few important things from him  Smiley

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #16 - July 19, 2010, 04:56 PM

    ok calm down, i was just jokin'


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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #17 - July 19, 2010, 05:15 PM

    but over the last few months i learnt a few important things from him  Smiley

    please elaborate..

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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #18 - July 19, 2010, 05:17 PM

    Welcome Julien
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #19 - July 19, 2010, 05:39 PM

    please elaborate..


    without going into detail, i guess there were things that i was very unfomfortable with regarding Islam even though i didn't want to admit it -  i was very happy with my life so there was nothing really pushing me to question Islam, although like i said i still felt uncomfortable about things from a philosophical point of veiw. Hassan was the one person on here that I felt a real connection with - it's almost as if he knew me and I knew him - somehow. therefore i was always willing to trust and listen to what he had to say and it made me think long and hard about the things i was uncomfortable with. eventually things clicked and i realised that a classical/literal interpretation of the Qur'an and its implementation/relevance after Muhammad's generation was not a tennable position from my point of view.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #20 - July 19, 2010, 05:41 PM

    Welcome to the forum, Julien. hugs

    If you dont feel ready to leave Islam, dont feel pressured and take your time.  Take a look at my blog if you are looking for some objective material on the matter.

    I agree.


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    Irrelevent, you can still believe in a God and believe Islam is man-made. Why is it necessary that a God would have created a set of rules in a book for us to adhere to?

    I agree.  Why does god have to be a personal, anthropomorphic, creator God?  That just seems like the invention of a social, hierarchical, intelligent primate species, like us humans.

      (although, I'm not sure about the intelligent bit  whistling2 )

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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #21 - July 19, 2010, 05:42 PM

    without going into detail, i guess there were things that i was very unfomfortable with regarding Islam even though i didn't want to admit it -  i was very happy with my life so there was nothing really pushing me to question Islam, although like i said i still felt uncomfortable about things from a philosophical point of veiw. Hassan was the one person on here that I felt a real connection with - it's almost as if he knew me and I knew him - somehow. therefore i was always willing to trust and listen to what he had to say and it made me think long and hard about the things i was uncomfortable with.


     sad sad sad

    That's so beautiful. sad
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #22 - July 19, 2010, 05:49 PM

    whatever, i had a moment of sensitiveness that i didn't mind sharing - so shoot me  Tongue

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #23 - July 19, 2010, 05:54 PM

    i realised that a classical/literal interpretation of the Qur'an and its implementation/relevance after Muhammad's generation was not a tennable position from my point of view.


    So what's your position now?

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #24 - July 19, 2010, 05:55 PM


    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

    Nick Naylor: "I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right."~ Thank you for Smoking

    Perspective
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #25 - July 19, 2010, 06:30 PM

    whatever, i had a moment of sensitiveness that i didn't mind sharing - so shoot me  Tongue

     

    Shooter
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #26 - July 19, 2010, 07:04 PM

    without going into detail, i guess there were things that i was very unfomfortable with regarding Islam even though i didn't want to admit it -  i was very happy with my life so there was nothing really pushing me to question Islam, although like i said i still felt uncomfortable about things from a philosophical point of veiw. Hassan was the one person on here that I felt a real connection with - it's almost as if he knew me and I knew him - somehow. therefore i was always willing to trust and listen to what he had to say and it made me think long and hard about the things i was uncomfortable with. eventually things clicked and i realised that a classical/literal interpretation of the Qur'an and its implementation/relevance after Muhammad's generation was not a tennable position from my point of view.

    Well good on you for getting through to the other side of your own personal cognitive dissonance & keeping an open mind on your journey.  

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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #27 - July 19, 2010, 07:58 PM


    Hi and thanks to everybody fro the greetings.  thnkyu I didn't expected so much in so a short time.

    well, I have read some threads here and I use to live the same kind of situations. I was touched by the story of Abooali and his journey within the Islamiya School and the salafis there.

    I became a Muslim when I was 23 years old. I am born as a Christian Catholic. I was the only one in my family who used to go to the church every Sunday and Wednesday
    for the lessons. I liked to go there but nearly all my friends didn't and with time I stopped to practice.  Even I was a Christian, it is like I was always in search of the truth and had a lot of discussions on this topic with friends for example. I had some Friends ho were Muslims but I didn't know nothing about Islam. I thought that they have another God and that they have nothing to do with Christianity and Judaism. Later, one night that I came home, I seated and was looking the sky asking myself some questions like "what I am doing here?" and was in that exactly moment totally transformed, I can't really explain it. The day after, there was a show at the TV with a Muslim. He was reading the Quran and when the journalist came in the room, he stopped to read and embraced the book. I didin't know nothing and never heard about it but was impressed by his action. I watched the day after another TV show about Islam; (it was in 1991, just before the first gulf war)they spoked about the Quran and I had a strong feeling that I have to read this book. I did buy it and did believe in it like it was exactly what I was looking for. I had a good feeling when I saw that it talked about Jesus, Moses and the other prophets. I took contact with Muslims and they gave me some books like the live of the prophet and the basics of Islam. I was very enthousiastic and happy and took the shahada in the mosque of Strasbourg at front of more than 1000 people the day of Aid. I started to pray five times daily and to read a lot. Well, it sounds surely strange for a lot of people who are very rational but it was the way I lived it. At this time, I used to live in a little city where most of the Muslims were conservative. Some belongs to Jama'a Tabligh. They came to me very friendly and I had the feeling that I was most welcome. Of course it was a new life for me and I had problems with my family. There was a strict segregation between mens and womens. I started to disagree with some things and it was for me difficult to make the difference between culture and Islam. There was for example a preacher in the mosque who started to compare the womens here to the womens of paradise, saying things like " look the womens here, they go to toilet, have menstruention... and the womens of paradise are perfect..." witch I found disgusting and I wanted to stand up and say " and you are you not going to toilet... and things like that.. don't you enjoy the company of your wife nights.. . I was standing up and I leaved the mosque and didn't understand why people still listen to this without a reaction. Another time, on the way to the mosque, I saw a brother with his wife who used to wear some kind of burka but without even the possibility to see something. He had to guide her like someone guide a blind person. When I saw this I was crying asking myself "what are you doing with such people?" and I decided to go back home. Also always focusing on everything that is haram, to hear nearly everyday "why don't you grow a beard?" . Is this religion?. What I was looking for, is positive people, wishing the best for the world and not cursing the kuffar like so many are doing al the time. I just see that there are not so much happy Muslims and a lot of hate. Well, as I said I like to read and I had much interest for Sufism. The brothers prevent me to read this kind of books saying that they are misguided. I am spiritual an always was; I came in touch with Sufis and found a better place for me. They are generally friendly, positive and have good relations with all the people (not all are like this but a lot, a few are closed to the salafis when it comes to the sharia). But, you see the sufis are picking up in religion what fit to them and leave what don't fit; but I can't agree with this. There are things witch disturb me, like the question of apostasy; if someone decide to leave the religion, why killing him? does God need this? Well, I said that I am praying, yes I did but since a long time now I didn't read the Quran; so many times it talk about "kuffar", about killing. The question of the fear is also  very present in the daily life and I guess is it an important point for those who left Islam.

    Well, there is so much to say witch don't come in my mind at the moment. I will surely have the opportunity to post other messages later.

  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #28 - July 19, 2010, 07:59 PM

    Hello Smiley

    You have a very interesting story. How did your family react to your conversion?

    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #29 - July 19, 2010, 08:08 PM

    Hi and welcome friend Smiley

    Bears is mandatory in Islam, it's not culture.

    Women are like that in Paradise as described by hadith, not culture.

    The Burqa is good question, there are references that point that it's Islamic. But some say it's culture. References made mostly in hadith.
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