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  • Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     OP - July 28, 2010, 06:44 PM
    I know this topic was once discussed. But I want to know what you guys specifically think. Why is the mosque being named "Cordoba"?

    Could there be any political motives?

    I am a New Yorker. I don't really oppose the building of the Mosque, but I do oppose building of a Mosque named "Cordoba" that is so close to the WTC site.

    Here is a visual Interpretation



    A = site of Mosque to be built

    B = Site of WTC
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #1 - July 28, 2010, 06:59 PM
    Corduba was the capital city of the Andalusian Caliphate.  You can guess why they chose that name.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #2 - July 28, 2010, 07:24 PM
    The power of money! vomit
    They should have allowed the construction of the mosque at the original site of WTC and made it the tallest building in the world. That would have made it the epitome of American tolerance!



    Quote
    Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.   KARL POPPER



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #3 - July 28, 2010, 07:34 PM
    does this answer your question, hypno?

    http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.6869/pub_detail.asp
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #4 - July 28, 2010, 07:43 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 28, 2010, 06:59 PM
    Corduba was the capital city of the Andalusian Caliphate.  You can guess why they chose that name.


    Cordoba was also the home of the best university in the world 1000 years ago and was a beacon of progress both culturally and scientifically.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #5 - July 28, 2010, 07:47 PM
    Ya'll,  my main concern with the rhetoric of this being a "pilgrimage" site, is
    WHO will be drawn to visit it.  And from the sounds of it, a prime platform
    for dawagandists to do their dirty deeds to even MORE Americans.  WE
    NEED CEMB HERE IN THE STATES!!! PLEASE!!!!
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #6 - July 28, 2010, 07:50 PM
    J&T isn't the quote appropriate?

    Quote from: z10 on July 28, 2010, 07:43 PM
    Cordoba was also the home of the best university in the world 1000 years ago and was a beacon of progress both culturally and scientifically.


    You always tend to use the best name possible.Naming a guy Jesus/Mohammad/or whatever, doesn't make him a paragon of piety!


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #7 - July 28, 2010, 07:57 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 28, 2010, 07:47 PM
    Ya'll,  my main concern with the rhetoric of this being a "pilgrimage" site, is
    WHO will be drawn to visit it.  And from the sounds of it, a prime platform
    for dawagandists to do their dirty deeds to even MORE Americans.  WE
    NEED CEMB HERE IN THE STATES!!! PLEASE!!!!


    I empathize with you J&T. Yes! you need many sites like CEMB in US to at least let people have the complete picture. There are many true life stories that have to be highlighted to counter the nonsense.My impression is that there are quite a few stupid lambs waiting to be devoured by the likes of MRasheed,Abdul Fattah et al.


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #8 - July 28, 2010, 09:16 PM
    Maybe it's just me, but I think a lot of people are overreacting. For all you know, this might be a sign of progress. Perhaps some Muslims will realize that America is not the enemy, and that even though 9/11 was caused by Islamic extremists, Muslims are still allowed to practice their rights freely, and America is not waging a war against their religion after all.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #9 - July 28, 2010, 09:34 PM
    Quote from: Abood on July 28, 2010, 09:16 PM
    Maybe it's just me, but I think a lot of people are overreacting. For all you know, this might be a sign of progress. Perhaps some Muslims will realize that America is not the enemy, and that even though 9/11 was caused by Islamic extremists, Muslims are still allowed to practice their rights freely, and America is not waging a war against their religion after all.

     
    Was that ever in doubt? There were mosques prior to 9/11, weren't they? Have you heard the speeches made by the 'founder' of the mosque both in English as well as Arabic? He is a very flexible guy and knows his audience very well!


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #10 - July 28, 2010, 09:36 PM
    Yes but many Muslims think that since 9/11 America has been waging a war against their religion.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #11 - July 28, 2010, 09:49 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 28, 2010, 07:47 PM

    NEED CEMB HERE IN THE STATES!!! PLEASE!!!!


    Im with you JINN and Tonic. I have been dreaming of opening CEM OF USA. I just don't have the money or resource. I really want to be it's founder for the US Branch
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #12 - July 28, 2010, 09:51 PM
    Quote from: z10 on July 28, 2010, 07:43 PM
    Cordoba was also the home of the best university in the world 1000 years ago and was a beacon of progress both culturally and scientifically.


    So was Byzantium if we come to that.  Baghdad was also a center of learning.  Your point is?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #13 - July 28, 2010, 09:54 PM
    Quote from: Abood on July 28, 2010, 09:16 PM
    Maybe it's just me, but I think a lot of people are overreacting. For all you know, this might be a sign of progress. Perhaps some Muslims will realize that America is not the enemy, and that even though 9/11 was caused by Islamic extremists, Muslims are still allowed to practice their rights freely, and America is not waging a war against their religion after all.


    Why should they need to build a masjid near a sensitive site to realise that?  Muslims still are allowed to practice freely in spite of 9/11.  The notion of it being built to commemorate the victims is pathetic and a kick in the teeth to the relatives.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #14 - July 28, 2010, 09:55 PM
    with audio clips like "allahu akbar!" wth do you expect, abood?   finmad

    Someone here had posted "somewhere" about going to a CAIR symposium
    and their "behind the scenes" reaction to  9/11 was mocking/laughing at
    non muslim Americans.  (wish i could do a search on threads in here)  
    Certainly not the public face of sympathy they had portrayed.   finmad

    I was a muslim AFTER 9/11, so don't give me any of this "biased" crap
    about Islam.  Although, some of the dawagandist TRIED to sell me on the
    "truther" bullshit.  

    Also abood,  we all know what "opinions" are like, don't we?  You have already
    expressed your anti american sentiment openly, so why should I bother even engaging
    in debate about what you THINK or dont THINK.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #15 - July 28, 2010, 09:58 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 28, 2010, 09:54 PM
    Why should they need to build a masjid near a sensitive site to realise that?  Muslims still are allowed to practice freely in spite of 9/11.  The notion of it being built to commemorate the victims is pathetic and a kick in the teeth to the relatives.

    I'm not saying it should be. And it's no use asking why, that's what Muslims think.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #16 - July 28, 2010, 10:00 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 28, 2010, 09:55 PM
    Also abood,  we all know what "opinions" are like, don't we?  You have already
    expressed your anti american sentiment openly, so why should I bother even engaging
    in debate about what you THINK or dont THINK.

    Lol. OK, J&T, I'm just an idiot with ridiculous views. No one's forcing you to discuss things with me.

    If you want to ignore me, it's one button away.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #17 - July 28, 2010, 10:11 PM
    Quote from: Abood on July 28, 2010, 09:58 PM
    I'm not saying it should be. And it's no use asking why, that's what Muslims think.


    Well then it's up to them to change their views isn't it?  Why should that justify being insensitive to the relatives?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #18 - July 28, 2010, 10:13 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92myDzAFgU4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64r-iWoTsX8&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTlnZRQ8Y-Q





    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #19 - July 28, 2010, 10:15 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 28, 2010, 10:11 PM
    Well then it's up to them to change their views isn't it?  Why should that justify being insensitive to the relatives?

    With an attitude like this, it's no wonder nothing ever changes between Islam and the West. Each is trying to get the other to understand their viewpoint without having some empathy.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #20 - July 28, 2010, 10:28 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 28, 2010, 10:13 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92myDzAFgU4


    Iranian scientists found the cure for AIDS?

    AIDS was created by America?

    The xenophobic propaganda in this video is laughably bad. 


    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #21 - July 28, 2010, 10:34 PM
    Quote from: Abood on July 28, 2010, 10:15 PM
    With an attitude like this, it's no wonder nothing ever changes between Islam and the West. Each is trying to get the other to understand their viewpoint without having some empathy.


    Well let's see, they are allowed to practice their religion freely, they have powerful lobbies sticking up for their rights, they can sue for discrimination, they can apply for jobs and posts that any other American citizen can.  The US stood up for the Bosniacs and Albanians, it gives aid to the Saudis and Pakistan and one of Obama's advisers wears a hijab.  So how is it that they fail to realise that the US is not against them?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #22 - July 28, 2010, 10:39 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 28, 2010, 10:34 PM
    Well let's see, they are allowed to practice their religion freely...

    If this mosque isn't built, that'd show that they're not. Which is exactly my point.

    Watch this video. I agree with the guy 100%.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LskRNdvnOk4
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #23 - July 28, 2010, 10:44 PM
    abood.. are you a muslim sympathist?  Perhaps an al quaida/Hezbolah/Taliban sympathist?
    are you/were you ever a Mujahadeen?

    Have you ever BEEN to the states?  Have you ever been to ground zero?  What prompts
    your hatred towards us as a people?  Im not going to ignore you, no way LOL.  Im
    interested to know what exactly it is that you hate?  Please be specific.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #24 - July 28, 2010, 10:46 PM
    Quote from: Abood on July 28, 2010, 10:39 PM
    If this mosque isn't built, that'd show that they're not. Which is exactly my point.


    Absolute bollocks.  There are limits..  So you are suggesting hurting the relatives of those who died on 9/11 for the sake of appeasing a minority.  Are they privileged?  Would they soon need one in front of the White House as well?  And it somehow negates all that the US did in the past.  It would be as insensitive as building a McDonalds or a Pentecostal church in front of Abu Ghraib.   Why is it that only one side has to make all the effort to tolerate and appease the other?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #25 - July 28, 2010, 10:47 PM
    No one is being physically hurt.

    People don't have a constitutional right to build a McDonald's near Abu Ghuraib. Nor do they have a right to build a church there--not that I would have anything against it.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #26 - July 28, 2010, 10:49 PM
    Its not about  the constitution!!  Its about the hundreds of thousands of family
    members AFFECTED by the atrocities of 9/11!  Why the hell would they WANT
    to build a mosque there?  WHY?  What good does it do?  Its not a memorial,
    its a mosque, a koranic shcool, a  cafe, and swimming pool.  How does this
    console those (including my BEST FRIEND, whose son was killed in the aftermath)
    who lost so many?  HOW??  
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #27 - July 28, 2010, 10:51 PM
    So you want to break your own constitution? So much for American pride, eh?
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #28 - July 28, 2010, 10:51 PM
    Quote from: Abood on July 28, 2010, 10:47 PM
    No one is being physically hurt.


    So bloody what?  Roll Eyes  I suppose that if I were to go and open a gun shop in front of the Virginia Tech school, no one would be physically hurt either, but I don't think that the relatives of those who died would be pleased.  Especially if I come up with the preposterous idea of doing it to remember the victims.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #29 - July 28, 2010, 10:52 PM
    Lol. Good argument.
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