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OP - September 04, 2010, 02:38 AM

for this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-Muslim ? It contains a link to this forum. It says "The Council of Ex Muslims forum is a large and growing site full of debates and discussions between Muslims, Ex Muslims and Non Muslims."

Good job to whoever did it
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Reply #1 - September 04, 2010, 05:47 AM

"Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
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Reply #2 - September 04, 2010, 05:53 AM

i made the suggestion if that counts for anything
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Reply #3 - September 04, 2010, 08:07 AM

Whoop!! We be biggin it up yo!
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Reply #4 - September 04, 2010, 02:41 PM

Quote from: allat on September 04, 2010, 05:47 AM

Good girl !

Could you add "The forum is abounded with awesome sexy members such as Iraqi Atheist, Duke of Sadr City" ?
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Reply #5 - September 04, 2010, 02:56 PM

If we are ever to be more successful as a tiny & hushed down minority, we need more people doing selfless acts like this.

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Reply #6 - September 04, 2010, 03:11 PM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on September 04, 2010, 02:41 PM
Sadr City

Oh so that's what it was!
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Reply #7 - September 06, 2010, 02:35 AM

Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.

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Reply #8 - September 06, 2010, 02:42 AM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on September 04, 2010, 02:41 PM
Could you add "The forum is abounded with awesome sexy members such as Iraqi Atheist, Duke of Sadr City" ?

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Reply #9 - September 06, 2010, 03:16 AM

Nice work. From the general look of that article I'd guess it was originally posted by someone from FFI. I noticed that the "List of notable former Muslims" begins with a huge list of those who converted to Christianity. Naturalistic types get relegated to after the three Abrahamics and the Bahai's. Other eastern religions get listed after heathens. A slight bias towards the Abrahamics may be noticed in some quarters.

Anyway, suggestions for improvements to the content of the main article:

1/ The second sentence should be rewritten. "This may mean you converted to another religion from Islam or adopted non-religious philosophy, with a naturalistic worldview" would be better as "Such people may have converted from Islam to another religion, or may have adopted a non-religious philosophy with a naturalistic worldview." This is much better grammar and sentence structure IMO.

2/ This sentence may cause problems with Wiki's official editors: "Several ex-Muslims have been scared of coming out publicly due to the threats from mainstream Muslims, many of whom consider apostasy punishable by death." It also doesn't take into account that more than a few ex-Muslims worry about coming out, and not just because of direct threats related to the sharia position on apostasy.

Something like "Many ex-Muslims are reluctant to publicly announce their position due to various factors. These factors range from concerns about the Islamic law punishments for apostasy (link to wiki/Death_Penalty), to fear of ostracism from their families and community." might be better.

3/ "Muslims, Ex Muslims and Non Muslims." would be better as "Muslims, ex-Muslims and non-Muslims." [/grammar Nazi]

4/ The Organisations and Websites sections could have the main CEMB site added to them.

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Reply #10 - September 06, 2010, 04:03 AM

Yep good points. I had just added the line last August that IA quoted in the OP, the rest of the wiki article was there before. And then in May someone had gutted the whole page and taken out the link to CEMB, which I went in and restored.

I'll edit the rest of it too and see if the wikipedia admins approve.

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Reply #11 - September 06, 2010, 04:05 AM

Wikipedia admins are twats and arrogant petty bureaucrats.

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Reply #12 - September 06, 2010, 04:11 AM

Hmm. Question: when the page was gutted and the CEMB link removed was the link to FFI left in place?

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Reply #13 - September 06, 2010, 04:23 AM

Hmmm.... you can look at the page's edit history here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ex-Muslim&action=history

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Reply #14 - September 06, 2010, 04:34 AM

Looks like you may have run afoul of the Wiki guidelines re external links.

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(cur | prev) 08:28, 9 December 2009 Notedgrant (talk | contribs) (757 bytes) (rem el per WP:ELNO add internal link of advertised forum to see also) (undo)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ELNO#Links_normally_to_be_avoided

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Reply #15 - September 06, 2010, 04:39 AM

Well, this link could go in an external links section then...

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Reply #16 - September 06, 2010, 04:42 AM

Yup. I've never had to deal with Wiki Powers That Be so am not up to speed on their likes and dislikes. Using the External Links section may be a safer bet though.

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Reply #17 - September 06, 2010, 10:30 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on September 06, 2010, 04:05 AM
Wikipedia admins are twats and arrogant petty bureaucrats.

Exactly. I know Wikipedia is hugely popular, but why are people more eager to edit it rather than our own wiki(s) here?

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Reply #18 - September 06, 2010, 07:48 PM

Quote from: Aziz on September 06, 2010, 10:30 AM
Exactly. I know Wikipedia is hugely popular, but why are people more eager to edit it rather than our own wiki(s) here?

Because it's hugely popular.
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Reply #19 - September 06, 2010, 07:52 PM

True. But... whatever...

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