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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #30 - October 18, 2010, 05:26 PM

    Dear outcastedgal

    You honesty and frankness brings tears to my eyes! I can only tell you one thing. Doubt is liberating but very insecure, faith is very secure but oppressive. Doubters have to learn to live with insecurity but IMHO it is better to doubt and make a mistake than to believe and make the same mistake.
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #31 - October 18, 2010, 05:30 PM

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #32 - October 18, 2010, 05:47 PM

    Dear Mount A Bison

    I think a thread on Hinduism would not be that much fun. If I can describe Hinduism in one word, it would be 'silly'. Hinduism has this strange habit of co-opting. When Sufi fanatics came on to the scene, Hindus went ahead and built shrines for them.

    In my understanding, Eric Hoffer paraphrased it best when he said 'An Indian will bite the hand that feeds it and lick the boot that kicks it'!

    When they could not beat the Buddhist logic they went ahead and did the next best thing. They made Buddha into another 'avatar'.

    Islam is an issue primarily because of its need to browbeat and dominate. Hindus would rather follow than lead. Being in a tropical country, the struggle for existence is not the same as it is in the colder regions of the world. Given a proper population balance in the lush tropics, one need not exercise ones brain for sheer survival. One need not develop elaborate group dynamics and social responses to hunt large formidable animals such as the woolly mammoth. Here you can trap small animals without much effort and afford to lead life on the basis on 'each to his own'.

    Perhaps in the colder latitudes a strong social cohesion, group effort and future planning are more important than it has been in these lush green tropics.

    Would you believe me when I say, Muslim shrines here in India (except for full blooded Mosques) get as many devout Hindu worshipers as Muslim ones. It is another matter that Islam prohibits praying to saints, sepulchers and shrines. But in this very strange land everything goes.
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #33 - October 18, 2010, 06:18 PM

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #34 - October 18, 2010, 09:06 PM

    @Car

    I think you're being much too hard on the Hindus. Don't underestimate the Bent Twig theory: Push a man too far and back he will lash. The beardos better be on their guard. I have tremendous hope for Hinduism. Whatever imbecility it may traffic in, the fact remains that most Hindus I've met are cool with science. Can't say the same holds true for Allah's gang. To my mind, and I'm open to correction, Hinduism is not so dogmatic a creed as the monotheisms. Owing to the multiplicity of gods in your pantheon there is no single way of manifesting the true, the good and the beautiful. No dogmatic insistence that one must worship in a certain formula or breakdance forever in the lowest rung of hell. Like all polytheistic creeds there is a measure of scope for rival interpretations that comes with having so vast a multitide of deities. Very cute

    Islam is blemished by its pathological devotion to be the Final Revelation outside of which all else is mere sound and fury signifying nothing. Hindusim though not perfect I'm sure has cultivated a degree of tolerance against which others have taken up cudgels. Why? Tell us something about the deep mysteries of the cow worshipping faith, something to make former towelheads weep with admiration. Quit equivocating and give us a thread filled with strange and exotic tales of Hindu mystics who were mounted by a god with a hundred thousand cocks.




    Brilliant as usual and very perceptive! clap

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    Islam is an issue primarily because of its need to browbeat and dominate                      

    You mean otherwise it is the ultimate religion?

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    In my understanding, Eric Hoffer paraphrased it best when he said 'An Indian will bite the hand that feeds it and lick the boot that kicks it'!


     Who the fuck is Eric Hoffer? Another messenger of GOD speaking the truth nothing but the truth? My friend, you have people who bite the hand that feeds them or lick the boot that kicks them everywhere, that's not peculiar to Indians.Please don't fall a victim to universal generalization. A la MAB,let me ask you something, did some pundit rupture your asshole? roflmao! No offence!

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    Given a proper population balance in the lush tropics, {1}one need not exercise ones brain for sheer survival. One need not develop elaborate group dynamics and social responses to hunt large formidable animals such as the woolly mammoth. Here you can trap small animals without much effort and afford to lead {2}life on the basis on 'each to his own'.


    {1} A revelation! --- debatable {2} MAN! Is it such a bad thing??

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    Would you believe me when I say, Muslim shrines here in India (except for full blooded Mosques) get as many devout Hindu worshipers as Muslim ones. It is another matter that Islam prohibits praying to saints, sepulchers and shrines. But in this very strange land everything goes.


    This is something to rejoice about, not  something to be scorned.Because everything goes, that nutjob Dr. Naik preaches with abandon and gets away with blue murder! How much more liberal can you get,even if you consider that it's due to indifference?In fact if you want a model for peaceful Islam then it should be like how it was practiced before these wahabis took control of the mosques and started injecting their venom.

    Finally let me introduce myself, I am a South Indian like you,was born a Hindu[not a brahmin like you,but hey! the way you talk makes me suspicious about this fact].I don't have a penchant for labels so  I can't really tell you to which gang I belong, but the one thing I am certain about is that I have been, what you would roughly call 'a humanist' all my life. I don't make pilgrimages,visit temples or other rituals which are supposed to be normal for believers. And you know what? I have had no problems with my family other than being called 'insane'[VERY OCCASIONALLY!]. My parents didn't disown me, my relatives don't berate me for not taking part in any religious celebration, AND I DON'T MAKE A BIG SHOW OF MY DISBELIEF,NEITHER DO I GET IN THEIR WAY OF DOING WHATEVER THAT MAKES THEM HAPPY HOWEVER STUPID THAT MAY SEEM TO ME. LIVE AND LET LIVE!
    I don't feel SUPERIOR or INFERIOR to any human being on this earth and detest all this hatred evoking divisions of mankind. I cherish the friendship of decent people of all shades and colour and detest snobs and bigots.




    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #35 - October 18, 2010, 09:26 PM

     I can't really tell you to which gang I belong, but the one thing I am certain about is that I have been, what you would roughly call 'a humanist' all my life. I don't make pilgrimages,visit temples or other rituals which are supposed to be normal for believers. And you know what? I have had no problems with my family other than being called 'insane'[VERY OCCASIONALLY!]. My parents didn't disown me, my relatives don't berate me for not taking part in any religious celebration, AND I DON'T MAKE A BIG SHOW OF MY DISBELIEF,NEITHER DO I GET IN THEIR WAY OF DOING WHATEVER THAT MAKES THEM HAPPY HOWEVER STUPID THAT MAY SEEM TO ME. LIVE AND LET LIVE!
    I don't feel SUPERIOR or INFERIOR to any human being on this earth and detest all this hatred evoking divisions of mankind. I cherish the friendship of decent people of all shades and colour and detest snobs and bigots.



     Afro

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #36 - October 18, 2010, 10:52 PM

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #37 - October 18, 2010, 11:47 PM

    LOL! MAB I have been very fortunate to have escaped that kind of unpleasantness,probably the protection provided by the numerous GODS in the pantheon were too much for any rascal who might have had nasty ideas of desecrating my hairless hole! Roflmao! So free of any torment of past memories I am your regular guy that loves regular holes that are located in the front of bodies that have a very active upper chamber!
    Not being gifted with a 12 incher, I need other means to make my digs meaningful. The after play is very important to me and I love to make each foray into the depths count.I have managed to save my sugar plums from serious damage by ensuring that the other party has a vested interest in their safety!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #38 - October 18, 2010, 11:53 PM

    Welcome outcastedgal.  I'm very happy for you that you've found your soulmate, and it's nice that you distinguish humans between good/bad instead of Muslim/non-Muslim. Smiley

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #39 - October 19, 2010, 03:30 AM

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #40 - October 19, 2010, 06:33 AM

    Dear Mount A Bison

    If you can put yourself in the shoes of an untouchable or Dalit or Harijan or the Caste-less in India you wouldn't accuse me of 'being too hard on Hinduism'.

    Especially when you realize that the only salvation an Untouchable can hope for is in serving the Brahmans, Kshatriya, and the Vaishya to the end of life and then hope to be reborn into the next best caste and so on until in your nth rebirth you could (just barely) become a Brahman.

    If you can imagine Apartheid then you would perhaps reverse your opinion and say I am being too soft on Hinduism. As for the 'degree of tolerance', you will realize that it is not 'inherent' to Hinduism. It is only a question of lying back and enjoying because rape has been inevitable. A series of invasions and violent raids have pushed the system into a kind of fatal acceptance that might appear to be tolerance from a distance. Tolerance is the character of religions when in a position of weakness. As soon as a critical mass is reached it simply translates into a tolerance for their kind and not the fond universal tolerance we all dream of.
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #41 - April 17, 2012, 01:50 PM

    Hi Saif,

    Many thanks for your reply, sorry it took me so long to respond,been moving alot.

    to answer your question;

    I think after much thought, I am currently agnostic. I stopped completely practising islam and am enjoying my agnostic living(privately) ofcourse its not something i can share with my muslim family! perhaps not now. My nuclear family is well, they are more accepting and they really like my hubby, we do occassionally get invited to my parents home, my father comes  around too. So things have improved.


     I think the reasons for my departure from Islam is for the following reasons:

    1) Allah does not accept my marriage;and he will roast me with my infidel husband in hell.  Smiley , i feel islam has violated my human rights . I remember in a course i took in human rights, I do have the right to marry whom I please and practise any faith i want.
    2)I dont believe in heaven and hell, the idea that i will cook and toast over and over eternally is just madness. What happened to the loving God??
    3)I prefere reason and science to understand my existance ;


    life is just great!

    and God is not Great
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #42 - April 17, 2012, 02:23 PM

    Welcome, outcastedgal !
    How did it go with your uncle ? Is his wife still an unbeliever ? Did that went better with your family ? I guess he must accept your choice must better than other member of your family.
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #43 - April 26, 2012, 04:00 PM

    hope you find strength
  • let down by my own
     Reply #44 - December 13, 2012, 12:40 PM

    Hi islam

    How are you....

  • let down by my own
     Reply #45 - December 13, 2012, 12:43 PM

    Hi

    How sre its been getting better for the years, pfcourse its not easy.i thought of leaving my husband last week...i met s pakistan man ,his a good man..his sindhi...so am confused.

  • let down by my own
     Reply #46 - December 13, 2012, 12:45 PM

    Don't leave your husband because you made another man who seems good, leave your husband because you found yourself.  If after you met someone, then go for it, but for now, better to leave for your own sake if that is what you really want to do.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • let down by my own
     Reply #47 - December 13, 2012, 12:55 PM

     Smiley yeah i know... Its that complex... My best friend is saying its like jumping from the frying pan into the fire...am somali ,his pakistan...  He loves me very much and we  have that islamic culture in common....which i dont have with  my european husband...

    We shall see what happens

  • let down by my own
     Reply #48 - December 13, 2012, 01:03 PM

     
    Hi

    How sre its been getting better for the years, pfcourse its not easy. i thought of leaving my husband last week...i met s pakistan man ,his a good man..his sindhi...so am confused.



    welcome back and long time no see outcastedgal  
    ....................................

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • let down by my own
     Reply #49 - December 13, 2012, 01:25 PM


    Long time.I appologise for my private email about my private affairs

    i was sending this message as a private email to a member by the name of islam.
    Ops
  • let down by my own
     Reply #50 - December 13, 2012, 01:40 PM

    Long time.I appologise for my private email about my private affairs

    i was sending this message as a private email to a member by the name of islam.
    Ops


     oops.. Ooops .   then let me delete everything what I said. outcaste

     Well let us delete everything that is private.. 

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • let down by my own
     Reply #51 - December 13, 2012, 07:02 PM

    The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Sometimes in marriage after you've been with someone with too long you might want something different. But from the sounds of all the things you guys have been through together it'd be a shame to leave. And if you do leave and hook up with this other guy then change you're mind later you might have to think what if he found someone else.

    I'm not married but that's what happened to my ex who dumped me >_>; then later regretted and couldn't get back together because I found someone else. It's something you have to seriously think about if you want to leave someone in a relationship. Maybe you guys need a break for awhile.

    As for your story, this is something that annoys me about Islam. I SAY if you wanted to still be a practicing Muslim and celebrate its customs and it gives you comfort, your family shouldn't dis-own for something really trivial. You shouldn't have to cut that out of your life.
     

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • let down by my own
     Reply #52 - December 13, 2012, 09:36 PM

     parrot

    Did you say you are Somali, if so I strongly recommend you look up about Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who also has a European husband!

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • let down by my own
     Reply #53 - December 14, 2012, 07:10 PM

    Welcome outcastedgirl  Afro
  • let down by my own
     Reply #54 - December 14, 2012, 07:25 PM

    Welcome outcastedgirl Afro
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