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 Topic: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #60 - September 10, 2010, 06:25 PM

    Eat shit.


    Then why call the Guy trying to protect your BF from getting attacked a "liberal pansy"?
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #61 - September 10, 2010, 06:26 PM

    Well then, do you think he has a right to burn Qurans?


    Anyone has the right to burn any book they want.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #62 - September 10, 2010, 06:28 PM

    Then why call the Guy trying to protect your BF from getting attacked a "liberal pansy"?


    Stop putting words into my mouth.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #63 - September 10, 2010, 06:28 PM

    It's a damn book burning. Get some fucking perspective.


    My perspective isn't nearly as important as the perspective of people in the Muslim world, particularly Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan where coalition forces are fighting a war while simultaneously trying to forge a relationship with local communities, build infrastructure, and build a friendly regime to the occupying nation(s), that will remain friendly long after the majority of those countries' military forces have left the area-- do you have any idea how fucking difficult that sort of thing is? The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have now exceeded the length of WWII for a few years now-- think about that for a minute-- longer than WWII-- in Afghanistan's case almost 3 years longer than WWII lasted.

    The project the coalition forces are undertaking in these two countries is extremely, extremely difficult, and may very well prove to be impossible (which is what I've suspected from the beginning). Now some backwoods asshole Bible thumper with a video camera and YouTube account is creating an international controversy causing a new round of outrage and anger against the US in the Muslim world, and you don't see how that makes an already damn-near-impossible task even harder to accomplish? You can't see why military and political leaders in the US are denouncing it out of legitimate concerns it will undermine our military-political operations in the Muslim world, not because they are "liberal pansies"

    Perspective is needed indeed, by the Muslims getting violently angry over it, and by you, who can't (or, more likely, refuses to) understand the very practical reasons why this is being denounced by US political and military leaders, and the primary motivation behind such denunciations is neither fear nor ideology as you suggest. My perspective, on this issue at least, is just fuckin fine.

    And don't pull the friends and family card and expect it to pass muster. My boyfriend is military.


    And where is he deployed, hm? And is he front-line personnel or an REMF?

    Furthermore, if you'll re-read what I wrote, I wasn't just talking about friends and family in the military, but those here, who have to deal with the economic fallout of this country's massive deficit spending on the wars and nation-building/reconstruction efforts.

    fuck you
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #64 - September 10, 2010, 06:30 PM

    Anyone has the right to burn any book they want.


    And should we appease and pander to religious extremists?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #65 - September 10, 2010, 06:32 PM

    Yes, the very 'practical reasons' of people getting offended, and being unable to act like adults about it.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #66 - September 10, 2010, 06:42 PM

    Yes, the very 'practical reasons' of people getting offended, and being unable to act like adults about it.


    Yep, and there are real consequences of that. No one's stopping the pastor from doing shit-- they are denouncing it because it's a stupid fuckin idea that will have negative consequences. No different than if someone came into my little ghetto neighborhood, which is majority Black and has a really bad history of racial violence between Whites and Blacks, and decided to hang a swastika flag outside his rowhome to piss off the Black folks, I wouldn't call the cops on him because it's his right to do so, but I would certainly publicly denounce it, and any responsible community leader here, White OR Black would.

    But under your twisted logic that would make us all "liberal pansies" for wanting to avoid a fuckin race riot.

    fuck you
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #67 - September 10, 2010, 06:48 PM

    I think the main thing we disagree on is how bad burning a Quran is. I'd be a hypocrite to condemn it, since I enjoyed Draw Mohammed Day so much.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #68 - September 10, 2010, 06:50 PM

    The draw Muhammad day and burn a Quran day movements are completely different and incomparable.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #69 - September 10, 2010, 06:54 PM

    People should be allowed to burn the Quran as much as they want. It can't be used as toilet paper because its already so full of shit. So I don't know of a better way of disposing it forever.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #70 - September 10, 2010, 06:54 PM

    And should we appease and pander to religious extremists?


    here is your answer

    No one's stopping the pastor from doing shit-- they are denouncing it because it's a stupid fuckin idea that will have negative consequences.

    But under your twisted logic that would make us all "liberal pansies" for wanting to avoid an unnecessary conflict.

  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #71 - September 10, 2010, 06:56 PM

    The draw Muhammad day and burn a Quran day movements are completely different and incomparable.


    Oh? How come?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #72 - September 10, 2010, 06:56 PM

    Ishina can't see beyond her anti-religious dogma.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #73 - September 10, 2010, 06:57 PM

    here is your answer



    I'm not entirely sure why we disagree.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #74 - September 10, 2010, 06:57 PM

    Ishina can't see beyond her anti-religious dogma.


    Agreed with Abood. For the record I thought the Draw Muhammed Day was also stupid and unnecessarily provocative, but there are some very important distinctions between the two.

    1. Draw Muhammed Day was a direct reaction to media organizations censoring depictions of Muhammed due to violent protests and death threats from Muslims.

    2. As such the main point of the protest was to defend freedom of expression, denounce censorship and give a big "fuck you" to those who thought they could stop freedom of expression through violence and threats of violence.

    3. The main point of the "Burn a Quran" day was to attack Islam and insult Muslims by right-wing Christian nutters. There was/is no other purpose to it. It is not a defense of free speech or secularism, it is an expression of hate and religious intolerance, pure and simple.

    fuck you
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #75 - September 10, 2010, 06:58 PM

    Ishina can't see beyond her anti-religious dogma.


    Quote some of my anti-religious dogma please.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #76 - September 10, 2010, 06:58 PM

    Oh? How come?

    One is aimed at reforming Islam, the other at attacking it with no purpose.

    What good does burning the Quran do?
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #77 - September 10, 2010, 06:59 PM

    Quote some of my anti-religious dogma please.

    This whole thread is filled with your anti-religious dogma. You can't see beyond "z0mg freedom of speech, z0mg Muslims oppressing us!!!" Your worldview is so black and white you'd make a great teabagger.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #78 - September 10, 2010, 07:00 PM

    Someone else quote my anti-religious dogma then please, since this little bitch is being neurotic.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #79 - September 10, 2010, 07:00 PM

    Burning the Quran represents opposition to freedom of religion, which is kind of guaranteed in the US constitution.

    And no one is banning the guy from doing it, they're just telling him it's a fucking stupid thing to do. He can do it if he wants to.


    Freedom of religion should also entail freedom from religion.

    I don't need to burn a Quran to destroy Islam. I don't even want to buy or touch a Quran so burning it is not a prospect I'm in favour of.

    But if people want to gather en masse and burn it, there shouldnt be a law preventing them from doing so. Nor politicians who orgasm over political correctness to denounce them.  The next step to speaking about something is taking action regarding it.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #80 - September 10, 2010, 07:01 PM

    Your worldview is so black and white you'd make a great teabagger.


     Cheesy
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #81 - September 10, 2010, 07:02 PM

    Ishina can't see beyond her anti-religious dogma.


    And how is she being anti-religious?
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #82 - September 10, 2010, 07:04 PM

    Freedom of religion should also entail freedom from religion.

    I don't need to burn a Quran to destroy Islam. I don't even want to buy or touch a Quran so burning it is not a prospect I'm in favour of.

    But if people want to gather en masse and burn it, there shouldnt be a law preventing them from doing so. Nor politicians who orgasm over political correctness to denounce them.  The next step to speaking about something is taking action regarding it.

    I understand what you're saying, but this is a time of war, and no matter how much I hate American and Western forces and how much I wish they'd just get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, this is still just gonna make shit worse, and I don't want there to be more deaths and more recruitment by Islamic fundamentalists.

    I value life over "political incorrectness".
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #83 - September 10, 2010, 07:06 PM

    This whole thread is filled with your anti-religious dogma. You can't see beyond "z0mg freedom of speech, z0mg Muslims oppressing us!!!" Your worldview is so black and white you'd make a great teabagger.


    You're bending over to appease the religious that you'd make an obedient cuckold.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #84 - September 10, 2010, 07:06 PM

    All I would complain about is the lack of balance between the reporting on this and reporting on similar incidents in the "Islamic" World.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #85 - September 10, 2010, 07:06 PM

    "ZOMG Ishina doesn't think burning the Noble Quran is THAT BAD, and called people who complain LIBERAL pussies! She must be a right-wing nut-job!"

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #86 - September 10, 2010, 07:07 PM

    You're bending over to appease the religious that you'd make an obedient cuckold.

    I'm pretty sure Ishina can come up with a come-back herself.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #87 - September 10, 2010, 07:08 PM

    I understand what you're saying, but this is a time of war, and no matter how much I hate American and Western forces and how much I wish they'd just get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, this is still just gonna make shit worse, and I don't want there to be more deaths and more recruitment by Islamic fundamentalists.

    I value life over "political incorrectness".


    Your "its-her-fault-she-shouldnt-be-wearing-a-miniskirt-around-mosques-during-ramadan-because-shes-begging-to-be-gang bangged-by-muslim-wankers" reasoning is unacceptable.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #88 - September 10, 2010, 07:08 PM

    "ZOMG Ishina doesn't think burning the Noble Quran is THAT BAD, and called people who complain LIBERAL pussies! She must be a right-wing nut-job!"

    No, you're a far-leftist radical who can't stand those liberal pussies and their political correctness. Roll Eyes
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #89 - September 10, 2010, 07:09 PM

    I'm pretty sure Ishina can come up with a come-back herself.


    I wasnt doing it for her sake. I'm speaking for myself.
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