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     Reply #150 - April 25, 2014, 12:15 AM

    I didn’t watch the video, but based on Jila’s  comments, it is such a shame that these guys are missing out on such an integral part of what it means to be human. Music and dancing is such a universal and intrinsic part of who we are as a species. I am no sociologist, but it  does not take one to observe  that no culture anywhere on our planet has developed without some form of music and dance.

    I honestly feel like these guys who deny themselves music are denying themselves an essential part of what it is to be a human. We don’t just hear music. We experience it. It moves us. It motivates us. It causes positive, palpable, physical responses in us. Banning Music is like banning food, sex, or clothing. And As I think about it, Islam bans good portions of those things too. It’s funny to think that many Muslims look at ex-Muslims as sub-human. And while I’m not calling practicing Muslims sub-human, not at all, I do think that they harm themselves by restricting basic parts of what makes us who we are. They limit their natural potential in many ways, missing out on the total human experience.

    This stretches beyond music, dance, and the arts. Even basic emotions are regulated in Islam, tied somehow to the faith in order to allow it to manipulate and take advantage of what makes us human.

    Islam tells you who you can love and who you must hate. Islam tells you when to be happy and when to be patient. It regulates your anger, your fear, and your despair. It even regulates how you are allowed to mourn your dead and honor their memory. “Don’t build raised grave markers.” “Allah curses the women who wail at funerals.”  “Don’t think of those killed in the way of Allah as dead, they are alive receiving sustenance from their lord, happy with what Allah has given them of his bounty.” “And don’t stand at the grave of any hypocrite and do not recite prayers for them when they die.”

    It regulates our most intimate relationships with our families and loved ones. “Never will you find a people who believe in Allah and the last day loving those who oppose Allah and his messenger, even if they are their fathers, sons, brothers, or close relatives.” “And if you determine women to be believers, do not give them back to their disbelieving husbands. They are not permissible for them.”

    How dare you, Islam? How dare you tell people who they can love? How dare you tell people what can make them happy and what can make them sad? How dare you try to take away from us the very things that make us who we are? All so that you can use us for your own ends while promising us what you have taken away from us after we have ceased to exist, or by promising us an eternity those things we fear the most.

    How dare you manipulate people as you have done? How dare you divide us? How dare you rob us of our humanity? Shame on you, Islam. Really, you are the one who should be ashamed. 



    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #151 - April 27, 2014, 01:03 PM

    Sometimes the people you were born around aren't the people who are best for you. Keep your head up, and before you'll know it you'll find more people who appreciate you for who you are.

    But it's not your responsibility to be someone else. In fact, it is the responsibility of your family to accept you for who you are and try to support and encourage you to become better versions of yourself at the most. In this case, they are the ones who are at fault, so don't let yourself feel guilty.


    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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     Reply #152 - April 27, 2014, 01:05 PM

    Aw. Thanks, three.
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     Reply #153 - April 27, 2014, 01:06 PM

    There are a lot of people here who need to see that. Rather, thank YOU.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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     Reply #154 - May 03, 2014, 01:08 AM

    Intuition tells us that the earth is flat, that the sun is no bigger than the moon, and that neither are as big as the earth, but all three are bigger than the stars. It seems to me that, historically, intuition has failed spectacularly to paint an accurate picture of what is factual or real beyond what is directly in front of our noses or our imagination.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #155 - May 03, 2014, 03:17 AM

    I also find it amusing that allah/god would only take interest in man during a very short period of human history... what, from about 2000 BC till 1400 AD ? And not only  that, but during this very short span of time, allah/god only focused on the Middle East. Just forgot about the rest of the world.

    Now think, modern man has been around for at least 160 000 years (datings of fossils we have found of modern man). Even if we take into account that Mo claimed that allah had sent messengers to "all people", mentioning an arbitrary number of 124 00 prophets/messengers, the math doesn't add up. Since mankind has been around for at least 160 000 years, and have populated every corner of the earth, making up hundred and thousands of civilizations, societies, tribes and nations/cities, it is impossible that every culture/people that has ever existed has had at least one prophet/messenger come to them to profess the "true religions of god". The math just doesn't add up.

    Another interesting point is, that the mythologies and stories we find in the quran, which are shared with Judaism and Christianity, all have similarities with other religions found in the Middle East. But what about Africa, North and South America? Australia and Asia? When you analyze their religious traditions and myths, it become very clear that they do not share the same stories or ideas, concepts or even fundamental beliefs what this life is or who god is. Something that Islam claims has always been the same, even though the "fiqh" has differed from people to people throughout time.

    Even if we assume that the messages have been "distorted", you would assume that similarities or at least some remnant would still existed just as it does between the three Abrahamic and other Middle Eastern religions that belong to the past. But no, there aren't any. It seems almost as if they developed in a completely different context than say Islam, which claims to be the religion of god. It's almost like religion was man-made Roll Eyes


    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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     Reply #156 - May 08, 2014, 05:19 PM

    OK. Fine. We won’t judge the religion based on its followers. We’ll judge it based on its god. We’ll judge it based on the actions of its prophet. We’ll judge it based on the depraved teachings forever enshrined in its holy book.

    We’ll judge it based on the fact that Allah the great sadist says that he could have guided all of mankind, but instead CHOSE to lead people astray (including kismet and the rest of us good people, apparently)because he WANTED to fill hell with men and with jinns all together. (Qur’an 32:13)

    We’ll judge it based on the fact that its prophet forced a woman to engage in sexual acts with him the very same night after he had her husband and father killed, he girlfriends enslaved, and her village raided. (See the story of Safiyyah)

    We’ll judge it based on the fact that its prophet also had sex with a girl who would barely be in the third grade today, having her unsuspectingly prepared for a sexual encounter with a man more than 40 years older than her on the same day she had been innocently playing on a swing with her dolls. (See the story of Aisha)

    We’ll judge It on the fact that its holy book, held up by believers to be the miraculous, unchangeable, perfect speech of a merciful god, says that a man can beat his wife, that a woman’s testimony is worth half of a man’s, and that women who have sex out of marriage should be held in solitary confinement until death.

    Things are not looking very good for your Islam right now, are they?


    You seem like a nice guy. I want you to really think hard about this. What kind of person tortures the people he supposedly loves so much like this? What would you do if I told you that I made my daughter starve and sleep outside the house because I loved her? How sick would you think I was if I told you that I abused her, and watched her get abused by others, just too see if she would still love me after that? What if I told you it was all so that I could make it up to her by “rewarding” her once she was older. Rewarding her, of course, would mean allowing her to live with me and feeding her and letting her praise me all day as a great dad. Do you not see just how depraved of a god Allah seems like to us?

    Let me ask you a question. Why does an all knowing god need to test people? Doesn’t he already know everything that will happen? Doesn’t he already know every possible outcome that could ever turn out? God “testing” people, especially through real pain, hardship, and misery, is nothing short of cruel and twisted sadism. If I had the power to end human suffering with a blink of my eye, I would. Wouldn’t you? Ask yourself. Why doesn’t god? Is he happy with our suffering? Is he content with it? Or is he unable to change our circumstances? Or does he need his ego stroked, does he want to see us beg and plead and tell him how fabulous he is before he’ll pay us any mind, before he’ll get up off his recliner and lift a finger to make the world a better place?  “Say: My lord does not care about you all except because of your calling out to him.” (Qur’an 25:77) What does this say about your Allah? He seems rather unpleasant to me. He seems like a complete douche.

    So, the devil is the enemy, huh? And Allah is all powerful, right? So why doesn’t Allah just get rid of the devil? Why didn’t he just dispose of him ages ago? Surely, Allah knew the devil was going to try to lead people astray. The devil TOLD HIM he would try to, right? And Allah was just totally cool with that. In fact, Allah BRAGGED about all the people he would torture in hell. So, it stands to reason that having the opportunity to torture people was Allah’s plan all along. I have to ask you not only why you believe in such a ridiculous notion of god, but why you choose to love and worship this god.

     If this god exists, then he is nothing short of our enemy. He created us, damned by our very nature, with the intention of torturing the vast majority of us for eternity. He threatens our planet with destruction unless we worship him. He threatens our families, our friends, and our countrymen with an eternity in the worst torture chambers ever imagined unless we feed into and fuel his vanity and narcissism. If your god is real, he is the true enemy of humanity. I for one will not hesitate in calling him my enemy and rebelling against him.

    But since he Is not real, I don’t need to waste my time worrying about him. And neither should you.



    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
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     Reply #157 - May 21, 2014, 08:50 AM

    You know if SnB, BinLyin, and the rest of these FFI extremists had been born Muslims they would definitely be hard-core Salafis or Hizbi followers.

    I think people are divided more along character types than nationality/race/beliefs/religion etc... People's imprint their own character on their religion/beliefs - and can turn whatever religion/belief in to something extreme and harsh - or benign and humane.

    All the years I was a Muslim I was exactly the same character I am now. If you met me then and met me now you wouldn't say I was any different except that I said my prayers, didn't drink or eat bacon etc... I never subscribed to extremist views and there is no way on earth I would have become a terrorist. It simply wasn't in my character. I have no doubt ppl like Abu Yunus, IslamMythology, Debunker and all the decent Muslims I know in real life are much the same.

    Sure, they stamp their own humanity on Islam - but that's what all people do to whatever religion/beliefs they have - their personality defines their beliefs and not the other way around.

    I think extremist, authoritarian, and fanatically obsessive character types are thankfully always in the minority - but they are basically the same no matter whether they are Muslim or non-Muslim and these FFI guys have exactly the same - hardline, extremist, "my way or the highway" - feel to them as the hardline Salafi types I used to debate on ummah.com.

    The irony!


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #158 - June 08, 2014, 11:17 PM

    Today I went to the park with the kids, and we started a game of tag. Some other kids joined in. Some parents joined in. Some teenagers joined in. Then it became a sort of parkour tag, because we had kid play equipment and a bunch of taller people. I am not tall. It was really hard to catch me. Adult men and teenage boys could not catch me, not running or jumping over stuff. I never, ever, would have done any of that as a Muslimah. It was not dignified, my scarf would have gotten messed up, my skirt would have gotten in the way, I would have fallen over loose pants at the hem. When I was in purdah, my muscles practically atrophied. I was a lump, I could not run, and stamina was a foreign concept. When the tallest guy made a concentrated effort to catch me for five minutes and could not, he proclaimed me a quick young woman and gave up.
    But see, I am older than him. By a significant amount of years. I am so glad I can enjoy my kids. Leaving Islam is one of the best things I have ever done for them.
    That was on my list, running at the park. I think I did one better.

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     Reply #159 - June 09, 2014, 02:44 AM

    I was guilty of all kinds of "settling" thoughts.
    My husband might tell me what to do, but at least he doesn't hit me. Then when I got one who did that, at least not too often, or too hard, or when that was gone.. at least he lets me go to the store. At least he doesn't make me wear niqaab, at least I don't have to..
    And it was so easy. Because I knew women who had to endure all kinds of horrible stuff, much worse than I, because divorce is not an option in the portion of the Ummah I was in, and the misogyny was so pronounced, that women were basically the root of evil, and tolerated out of necessity for the sake of having children. It was to such an extent, that if I saw a woman I knew, and her husband showed her any attention in public, I thought it was a show. I couldn't trust what I saw with my eyes, I had become so suspicious.
    Finally I found myself in a corner, where what I was grateful for was a tiny bit of life allowed to me, and I couldn't let my kids grow up thinking a crumb was a big deal. I wanted them to have the whole enchilada, and to think they were entitled to it. I didn't want them to settle.
    Islam is set up like this, to me. The Quran is all about men, until women protested enough that there came a passage about believing men and women. One passage, in response, to prove that women were considered to be Muslim, too. And that was acceptable to me. I decided that was enough to prove my fears baseless, that Islam was an equal rights religion, and I settled. The Hadith and Surah about women needing Mahram to manage our affairs, ourselves? For our own protection. And I settled for that, too. Big time.
    An-Nissa, about being beaten? Well, that is only for bad women. Not for women such as us, not for good, believing women, and I settled for that. I sold out our "bad" sisters. I lost my soul.  I am probably not the only one. It is a shameful thing to look back on, it embarrasses me.
    I might not have explained this very well. Emotional topics are like that for me, not very cohesive. My apologies.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #160 - June 09, 2014, 06:07 AM

    Very moving Three, you should write books about this..  the last post reminds me of hitting rock bottom, i was sat in a park at this secluded beauty spot resting it was a hot summers day and i was wrapped in heavy black cloth, couldnt enjoy the breeze or sunshine, if that wasnt enough an english couple came and sat down on the bench opposite, they started to kiss and stroke each others faces for about an hour, i had never seen such love displayed  (muslims couples cant even hold hands in public) it made me cry, which i did like a baby in public  Smiley    anyways that was one of my defining moments for leaving islam, i was fed up of watching muslim brothers meet and greet in public, hold hands, embrace and kiss each other like lovers, such affections a wife would rarely receive.. 

    ( morning rant )  : )

    x
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     Reply #161 - June 09, 2014, 06:19 AM

     far away hug

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #162 - June 09, 2014, 06:38 AM

    Very moving Three, you should write books about this..  the last post reminds me of hitting rock bottom, i was sat in a park at this secluded beauty spot resting it was a hot summers day and i was wrapped in heavy black cloth, couldnt enjoy the breeze or sunshine, if that wasnt enough an english couple came and sat down on the bench opposite, they started to kiss and stroke each others faces for about an hour, i had never seen such love displayed  (muslims couples cant even hold hands in public) it made me cry, which i did like a baby in public  Smiley    anyways that was one of my defining moments for leaving islam, i was fed up of watching muslim brothers meet and greet in public, hold hands, embrace and kiss each other like lovers, such affections a wife would rarely receive.. 

    ( morning rant )  : )

    x


    By posting this comment here, you saved me the hassle of quoting it and bringing it here, where it belongs.

    Short, but moving.  Reminded me of many a time I once felt that way.  hugs

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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     Reply #163 - June 09, 2014, 10:48 PM

    Very moving Three, you should write books about this..  the last post reminds me of hitting rock bottom, i was sat in a park at this secluded beauty spot resting it was a hot summers day and i was wrapped in heavy black cloth, couldnt enjoy the breeze or sunshine, if that wasnt enough an english couple came and sat down on the bench opposite, they started to kiss and stroke each others faces for about an hour, i had never seen such love displayed  (muslims couples cant even hold hands in public) it made me cry, which i did like a baby in public  Smiley    anyways that was one of my defining moments for leaving islam, i was fed up of watching muslim brothers meet and greet in public, hold hands, embrace and kiss each other like lovers, such affections a wife would rarely receive.. 

    ( morning rant )  : )

    x


    I basically did not exist. My husbands did not ever even speak of me to anyone but family, and they would not wear a wedding band. I was simply not in their public lives. That's more efficient than niqaab, really. Confine and deny.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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     Reply #164 - June 09, 2014, 10:50 PM

    Y'all are the most supportive people I know. You have transformed my life, truly. Joining this forum saved me a decade of therapy. Thank you.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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     Reply #165 - June 09, 2014, 11:02 PM

    Three  far away hug
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     Reply #166 - June 11, 2014, 01:41 PM


    Feminism is very contested, sectarian, people fight over the definition of what it is, lots of different versions of it, people embrace it, define it according to their own viewpoints.

    I think its basically the most revolutionary movement in human history, and its effect has been to make every single assumption subject to its conscience.

    Its beyond disagreements of what it means. Its a change in the whole atmosphere of humanity. You will pay attention to women, how women are treated and oppressed, and women shall not be silenced by any taboo or belief system or assumption any more.

    So its not really whether or not we are feminists, its understanding that feminism has entirely changed everything (especially in the matter of religion) and how are you going to come to terms with that?


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #167 - June 11, 2014, 05:26 PM

    Courtesy of Quod Sum Eris relating to 'liberal tafsir of 4:34':

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    Well, we've proven two things. Number one, the quran can be improved upon, and number two, despite what some claim it is possible to reinterpret islam.


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
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     Reply #168 - June 11, 2014, 05:28 PM

    You might want to add to the quote. Grin

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #169 - June 17, 2014, 01:52 PM

    I concur with the above and would like to add that those that should be leading the debate, such as the academics, do not do so either out of naïveté towards a sensitive approach viz-a-viz islam, worry about funding or because they are cowards. It should be the academics who should be spearheading this expose of Islamic history and dawahganda but they seldom do and this topic, which is vital for the emancipation of millions from the monotony and subservience to a totalitarian system, is relegated to lecture halls and the odd journal article for a niche market. What Klingy and others are doing is highly commendable and the more power to them. We are all in it together.

    For many of us, islam is something we shake and dust off like an old, ragged jacket. But for millions of others, it is a ball and chain that they can never hope to unshackle.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #170 - June 20, 2014, 01:41 PM

    Billy:
    'the thing is, these guys didn't get radicalised when they went to Syria. They went to Syria because they were radicalised. So these kinds of things are being taught in groups, study circles, societies here in the UK and elsewhere in Europe and the west. This is a tiger that is hungry for blood, not just of the kuffar, the Jews, but Shias and murtads too. Its a hatred in search of victims. When some lefties / cultural relativists blame the West because they buy the line that this is purely in reaction to 'us', they are being played. These extremists have their own agenda, and have their own agency. They know that. Its time everyone woke up to it.'


    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=26620.msg758747#msg758747

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     Reply #171 - June 28, 2014, 11:14 AM

    This whole talk about bikinis inciting rape really gets my blood boiling. Growing up near the Atlantic shore of the US and spending countless summer hours on the beach around hundreds of women in bikinis, I can honestly say that even as a horny teenager, not once did the urge to rape any of them ever cross my mind.

    Muslims talk so much about how women in the west are treated only as sexual objects. I think that is only an attempt to mirror the problem that really does exist in the Islamic world. In the west, women are not confined to the gutters of raunchy male fantasies; they actually exist in the real world. From pre-school upwards, women are classmates, friends, coworkers, waitresses, actresses, doctors, lawyers, and every other conceivable human position. We learn from a young age that real women come in different shapes and sizes; they have different personalities, different interests, different passions. Some women we may find attractive and some women we may not. We know them as individual human beings and can mutually chose to enter into relationships with them accordingly.

     Having lived in the Middle East and having taught hundreds of young adult Muslim men, I believe that because of the segregation that exists between men and women, these young males can never know women as equals. In many of their minds, a woman’s sole reason for existence is to satisfy that base, carnal need for sex. They never get the chance to know them in any other capacity.  In the conservative gulf culture, it is considered offensive to even acknowledge the women in another man’s life. You can never refer to them by name, and even when you need to talk about their wife or sister, you are expected to use the euphemism “your family.”

    I am no expert on rape, but I would imagine that not acknowledging a woman’s equality with men and her individuality as a human being can not help the situation.



    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #172 - June 29, 2014, 11:58 PM

    Wrt your mocking post, my favourite remains a certain Hadith which shows exactly how people viewed Muhammad’s convenient revelations:

    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 115:
    Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

    During the lifetime of the Prophet we used to avoid chatting leisurely and freely with our wives lest some Divine inspiration might be revealed concerning us. But when the Prophet had died, we started chatting leisurely and freely (with them).


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #173 - July 01, 2014, 03:11 AM

    My favourite part about all the apologism around Quran verse 4:34, besides all the intellectual contortionist attempts mentioned by Hassan and Berbs above, is that the entire verse (and in other parts of the Quran), men are given full leeway to 'discipline' wives at all. I don't care what kind of BS soft soap approach anyone tries to bring to the 'beat her' part of the verse. It is disgusting that this supposedly divine book by the supposed creator of the entire universe gives men any entitlement TO 'DISCIPLINE' ANOTHER ADULT HUMAN BEING at all.

    Somehow, apologists seem to focus so much on trying to weasel their way out of the 'beat her' part, they don't realize that the entire notion of a man disciplining his wife is disgusting, sexist, patriarchal and needs to be in the rubbish bin of history.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #174 - July 01, 2014, 03:33 PM

    A rap as collected by Yeezevee
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      You guys are singing Rap songs .. I am not good at it..       

     
    Rap song-1

    I'm going to leave my family,
     I cant live my life like this,
     I cant handle this being another person all the time
    I hate this culture
    Girl' means nothing but just being a good wife.
    Fuck that shit,
     Im a person not just a vagina.
    My move will actually shock everyone ..(evil laugh)   Tongue ....... INcePtion -

    Rap song-2

    It's just a dream.
    My parents don't realise
    I don't care about them "caring".
    My parents and family are not good people.
    I don't care about hurting them,
    or having them disappointed.
    They have already given me
    a lifetime of disappointment
     from the day that I was born,
    and in all honestly
     they deserve every last piece of shit I  give them. .... Wiselyskeptical

    Rap song-3

    The treating you unfairly
    The not respecting your dreams
    The controlling every aspect of your life through religion
    The depriving you of your basic human right .. ....  INcePtion

    Rap Song-4

    They'd rather victim blame me
    rather than realise how wrong what they say is.
    They repeatedly threaten to hurt me
    if I bend, not break, their rules.
    I feel I am confined to a sentence in a prison
     for a crime that I didn't do.
    Whenever I say something right or
    that proved them wrong
    they immediately attack me
    with harshness that I don't deserve.
    They don't realise the love doesn't equal control.  ...... Wiselyskeptical   

    Boy............. they are as good as any rap songs or little sonnets from Quran..

     

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
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     Reply #175 - July 01, 2014, 11:09 PM

    Inception's rap:

    I'm not afraid
    To be an apostate
    Ex-muslims
    Come take my hand
    We'll walk this road together, through the ignorance
    Whatever hadith, surah or miracle
    Just letting you know that it is not true
     if you feel like you've been down the same road


    Yeah, it's been a ride
    I guess I had to read, go to the internet to get answers
    Now some of you, might still be in that postiion
    If you're trying to get out, just follow me
    I'll get you there

    You can try and read the Quran a hundred times
    But you won't find the truth
    Cause I can't stop from living you like that
    When I say I don't agree with you
    I don't give a damn what you think,
    I'm doing this for me, so fuck the world
    I don't care, it's fucked up, if it thinks it's stopping me
    I'ma be what I set out to be, without a doubt undoubtedly
    And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your stupid arguments
    No ifs, ands or buts, don't try to ask us why or how can we
    From  the holy book move our faces away
    They are still questioning and thinking
    Until  they get to a damn answer
    Whichever comes first, for better or worse
    They are not giving up that easily
    Cuz ignorance is bliss
    To englihten your brain you gotta flip the script



    Okay quit reading and praying, and cut the crap
    I shouldn't have to rhyme these words in the rhythm for you to know it's a rap
    You said you were right, you lied through your teeth,
    and quoted a thousand hadiths but you did not answer me
    To the dawaboys I'll never let you say that again, I'm back
    I promise to never go back on that debate, in fact
    Let's be honest, you never supported your claim
    Perhaps you didn't understand what I was saying
    Relax, cuz I know who Allah is
    All I'm trying to say is get back to the question
    Cause I ain't playing around
    I'm serious
    Cuz I'm still trying to figure this crap out


    Someone needs to perform this.  yes

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
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     Reply #176 - July 01, 2014, 11:50 PM

    Eh Cemb hits?  I just replaced a few words  Cheesy
    Lol @ you guys
    But someone got to perform it!
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     Reply #177 - July 02, 2014, 12:38 AM

    INcePtion 001_wub

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #178 - July 02, 2014, 04:56 AM

    I love this thread.  I could read Ishina and Happymurtad till the cows come home and billy.    thnkyu all.   I dont know if you know how helpful they're.   

    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
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     Reply #179 - July 04, 2014, 10:52 AM



    4:34 To Hit or not to Hit, that is the question 


     ٱلرِّجَالُ قَوَّٰمُونَ عَلَى ٱلنِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ ٱللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ وَبِمَآ أَنْفَقُواْ مِنْ أَمْوَٰلِهِمْ فَٱلصَّٰلِحَٰتُ قَٰنِتَٰتٌ حَٰفِظَٰتٌ لِّلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ ٱللَّهُ وَٱلَّٰتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَٱهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي ٱلْمَضَاجِعِ وَٱضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلاَ تَبْغُواْ عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلاً إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيّاً كَبِيراً


    Yusuf Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

    Shakir: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

    M. Pickthall: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

    The verb daraba ضرب means "To Hit" but can also have non-literal meanings, just like the word "Hit" in English can have non-literal meanings, (I hit upon an idea, Hit the road, Hit the sack, Hit it off, etc...)

    There are examples in the Qur'an of  daraba used in a non-literal/metaphorical sense such as to "Strike a similitude/parable", "To keep away from", "To go forth" etc... but in each case it is always made clear when it is used in a non-literal/metaphorical sense because of the use of qualifying particles such a preposition or explicitly stating it is a مثل = similitude/parable.

    In the case of 4:34 there is no such qualifying particle or mention that it is a parable/similitude and so it can only means "Hit" and simply cannot have a figurative meaning like "Avoid them" "Set forth for them a parable" etc...

    Here are some verses from the Qur'an where the verb daraba means "Hit". I want you to notice how the verb takes its object directly and is not qualified by any preposition or word like parable/similitude etc... In each case it means "Hit"

     اضْرِبُوهُنَّ  "Hit them" (4.34)

     يَضْرِبُونَ وُجُوهَهُمْ وَأَدْبَارَهُمْ  "They hit their faces and their backs" (8.50)

     ضَرْبَ الرِّقَابِ "Hit the necks" (i.e. chop their heads off) (47.4)

     اضْرِبُوهُ  "Hit it" (2.73)

    Now in the following verses the verb daraba doesn't mean Hit - at least not in a literal sense - but notice that it - and/or it's object - are qualified by a preposition and/or a word like مثل similitude/parable or في in the Earth/Land...

      ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا Allah strikes a parable  (14:24)

      ضَرْبًا فِي الْأَرْضِ "Going forth in the land" (2:273)

    أَفَنَضْرِبُ عَنْكُمُ الذِّكْرَ صَفْحًا   "Should we turn away the reminder from you?" (43.5)

     ما ضربوه لك إلا جدلا  "They do not set it forth for you save by way of disputation" (43:58)

    1. If 4:34 meant "Leave them alone/Go away from them" it would have to have a preposition like عن (From/Away).  So it would be  واضربوا عنهن

    2. If 4:34 meant "Strike up a similitude for them" it would have to have a preposition like ل (to/for) and a qualifying word like "Parable" مثلا.  So it would be:   واضربوا لهن مثلا

    3. If 4:34 meant "and go forth in the land" it would have to have a preposition like في and a qualifying word like "Earth" الارض.  So it would be:   واضربوا في الارض

    4. If 4:34 meant "set forth for them by way of dispute" it would have to have a preposition like ل (to/for) and a qualifying word like "disputation" جدلا.  So it would be:   واضربوا لهن جدلا

    There is one example of the verb daraba used in a non-literal sense without any preposition:

       يضرب الله الحق والباطل " Thus doth Allah show forth Truth and Vanity..." (43:5)

    But it is still explicitly shown that it is non-literal. Firstly Truth and Falsehood are abstract nouns so one can't literally "hit" them and secondly the verse goes on to say: كذلك يضرب الله الأمثال  "Likewise does God set forth parables." Can't really get clearer than that.


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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