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  • French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     OP - October 13, 2010, 12:05 AM
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    French lawmakers passed a controversial new bill that will strip criminals born in other countries of their French nationality if convicted of carrying out a violent crime against police officers.

    According to RPI, members of France's lower house of parliament, the National Assembly, voted 294 to 239 to pass the measure. Proposed by Immigration Minister Eric Besson -- who reportedly wants his ministry to be "a machine to produce good French citizens" -- the measure will also allow European Union nationals to be expelled from France for repeated acts of theft, aggressive begging and illegally occupying land


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/12/french-pass-law-to-strip-_n_759910.html

    Proving to be a sh*thole of a country after all
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #1 - October 13, 2010, 02:12 AM
    Anyone who moves for a foreign country, becomes a nationalized citizen, and then commits a violent act automatically forfeits their citizenship. Becoming a nationalized citizen means they should also respect the country's laws. I see no problem with the law.
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #2 - October 13, 2010, 02:29 AM
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    Anyone who moves for a foreign country, becomes a nationalized citizen, and then commits a violent act automatically forfeits their citizenship. Becoming a nationalized citizen means they should also respect the country's laws. I see no problem with the law.


    As far as I know this is not possible in the UK but they would like to pass a law where it is possible to strip certain hard criminals of their (aquired) citizenship.
    As for EU citizen if they have problem with the law they can be told to bugger off if they do not have permanent residency.  Smiley
    If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten.
    George Carlin
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #3 - October 13, 2010, 02:43 AM
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    the measure will also allow European Union nationals to be expelled from France for repeated acts of theft, aggressive begging and illegally occupying land

     
    This for the romans of course grin12 to be fair it is rather a problem difficult to solve. More than 20 Years back when travelling from France to the UK my suitcase was stollen on the train and I had notice 2 gypsie men walking along in the train, when I told this to the police in Boulogne they told me: yes they do this all the time board the train at one station and leave it with 1 or 2 suitcases often unoticed until the passenger needs to get his luggage when getting off the train, but there is nothing we can do because they live in no go areas and we cannot prove what they steal as they get rid off the suitcases very quickly keeping only what has some value.
    The problem was always there but before they use to travel back and fro now they settle in slumb which does not please the people near by. cool2
    If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten.
    George Carlin
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #4 - October 13, 2010, 03:05 AM
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    STARSZ

    This for the romans of course  to be fair it is rather a problem difficult to solve. More than 20 Years back when travelling from France to the UK my suitcase was stollen on the train and I had notice 2 gypsie men walking along in the train, when I told this to the police in Boulogne they told me: yes they do this all the time board the train at one station and leave it with 1 or 2 suitcases often unoticed until the passenger needs to get his luggage when getting off the train, but there is nothing we can do because they live in no go areas and we cannot prove what they steal as they get rid off the suitcases very quickly keeping only what has some value.
    The problem was always there but before they use to travel back and fro now they settle in slumb which does not please the people near by.

     

    Tell me STARSZ do European Gypsies still live the nomadic lifestyle?
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #5 - October 13, 2010, 03:15 AM
    The thread Heads with
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    French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship

    Hmm., That is a good news., it is about time these two



    are thrown out of France..
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  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #6 - October 13, 2010, 07:37 PM
    Quote from: QueenIsabel on October 13, 2010, 02:12 AM
    Anyone who moves for a foreign country, becomes a nationalized citizen, and then commits a violent act automatically forfeits their citizenship. Becoming a nationalized citizen means they should also respect the country's laws. I see no problem with the law.


    Of course you don't, you have no concept what legality of law is. The word "violent" is subjective. Laws and regulation are not subjected to two different standards for citizens. They are all the same. You dont go around making extra laws and punishment for certain types of citizens by singling them out.

     This will never happen in the US. It will be thrown out unconstitutional within seconds. But w/e Idc about France. That country is a sh*t hole anyways. Pussies will be the first to surrender if something happens to them
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #7 - October 13, 2010, 07:59 PM
    They should make it specific to people found guilty in a court of law for a large number of offences and not just violence to the police, I will be in full support if this was the case.
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #8 - October 13, 2010, 08:00 PM
    Quote from: _truth_ on October 13, 2010, 07:37 PM
    Pussies will be the first to surrender if something happens to them


    The french stereotype is far from Accurate, the reality actually puts most countries to shame, both in ww2 and before.
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #9 - October 13, 2010, 08:04 PM
    Quote from: QueenIsabel on October 13, 2010, 03:05 AM


    Tell me STARSZ do European Gypsies still live the nomadic lifestyle?


    Gypsies in Ireland/England make no sense...
    I've talked to a few and the argument is that they can't stay in one place (natural movement mentality I suppose), but the next day, they're trying to buy land to live on with their camper vans with all their saving and complain when they can't Huh?
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #10 - October 13, 2010, 08:27 PM
    Quote from: QueenIsabel on October 13, 2010, 02:12 AM
    Anyone who moves for a foreign country, becomes a nationalized citizen, and then commits a violent act automatically forfeits their citizenship. Becoming a nationalized citizen means they should also respect the country's laws. I see no problem with the law.


    Neither do I, I wish they would pass a law like that in Denmark.

    Quote from: _truth_ on October 13, 2010, 07:37 PM
    Of course you don't, you have no concept what legality of law is. The word "violent" is subjective. Laws and regulation are not subjected to two different standards for citizens. They are all the same. You dont go around making extra laws and punishment for certain types of citizens by singling them out.


    This article is more specific as to where the law applies :

    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,6108575,00.html

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    The bill calls for any foreign-born citizens naturalized for less than 10 years to be stripped of their citizenship if convicted of violent crimes against police officers or other public officials. This punishment currently applies only to terrorism charges.


    Does that make it more palatable to you ?
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  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #11 - October 13, 2010, 09:16 PM
    Quote from: _truth_ on October 13, 2010, 07:37 PM
    Of course you don't, you have no concept what legality of law is. The word "violent" is subjective. Laws and regulation are not subjected to two different standards for citizens. They are all the same. You dont go around making extra laws and punishment for certain types of citizens by singling them out.

     This will never happen in the US. It will be thrown out unconstitutional within seconds. But w/e Idc about France. That country is a sh*t hole anyways. Pussies will be the first to surrender if something happens to them


    Well if the law is singling anyone out, then it is singling out those who commit crimes. In other words only naturalized citizens who commit crimes are singled out and the law-abiding naturalized citizens are left alone. Why should the French keep these people in their country if they are committing violent crimes? Personally I don't understand as to why a person would go to great lengths to obtain citizen of their adoptive country and then turn around and commit a violent crime.
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #12 - October 13, 2010, 09:16 PM
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  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #13 - October 13, 2010, 10:06 PM
    Quote from: QueenIsabel on October 13, 2010, 02:12 AM
    Anyone who moves for a foreign country, becomes a nationalized citizen, and then commits a violent act automatically forfeits their citizenship. Becoming a nationalized citizen means they should also respect the country's laws. I see no problem with the law.


    People like you bring shame upon my great country.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #14 - October 13, 2010, 10:09 PM
    Will probably clash with EU laws somehow
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  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #15 - October 14, 2010, 01:07 AM
    Quote from: QueenIsabel on October 13, 2010, 03:05 AM


    Tell me STARSZ do European Gypsies still live the nomadic lifestyle?


    Some do some don't some have settled in France in social housing and send their children to school some travel around Europe and the one who live in slumb arecreating more controversy as they live permanently in a place but are not registred to work or pay taxes and often kids don't go to school. Smiley
    If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten.
    George Carlin
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #16 - October 14, 2010, 01:19 AM
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    Gypsies in Ireland/England make no sense...
    I've talked to a few and the argument is that they can't stay in one place (natural movement mentality I suppose), but the next day, they're trying to buy land to live on with their camper vans with all their saving and complain when they can't

    This is precisely the problem they do not know what they want I remember a girl who's father was a gypsie and she was saying he could never settle he was feeling trap every time he stayed somewhere for more than 3/4 months, even if her  mother was working and providing him with a nice accomodation he was feeling too restless to stay and settle.  Huh?
    If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten.
    George Carlin
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #17 - October 14, 2010, 01:20 AM
    Quote from: Rev. Winton Dupree on October 13, 2010, 10:06 PM
    People like you bring shame upon my great country.


    Ok You tell me why should the French keep people who commit violent acts after immigrating to their after and becoming naturalized citizens.

  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #18 - October 14, 2010, 01:21 AM
    Quote from: STARSW on October 14, 2010, 01:19 AM
    This is precisely the problem they do not know what they want I remember a girl who's father was a gypsie and she was saying he could never settle he was feeling trap every time he stayed somewhere for more than 3/4 months, even if her  mother was working and providing him with a nice accomodation he was feeling too restless to stay and settle.  Huh?


    Weird
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #19 - October 14, 2010, 01:25 AM
    Quote from: QueenIsabel on October 14, 2010, 01:20 AM
    Ok You tell me why should the French keep people who commit violent acts after immigrating to their after and becoming naturalized citizens.


    Because BerberElla says so.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #20 - October 14, 2010, 01:30 AM
    So what if a born French citizen commits this crime?

    Do they strip him huh huh.
    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #21 - October 14, 2010, 01:30 AM
    lol Rev you and your Cult.  Roll Eyes
    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #22 - October 14, 2010, 01:34 AM
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    Why should the French keep these people in their country if they are committing violent crimes?

     Smiley
    I think the problem for the french with gypsies is not only the level of crime but the fact that they have no idea how many they are what they do. They live in horrible condition to french standard, they do not officialy work and do not pay taxes. The french want to create a law giving the government the right to remove them even if they are from the EU I don't think that the problem of the gypsie is violence which does exist but not to a awrful level. The violence reference is of course for association with riots and terrorist actions if new citizen don't behave for the first 10 years they are out, it is harsh especially if it is exploited badly but the principal is understandable and I beleive would happen rarely.. ideally everybody should be welcome and helped to settle france is quite big more than double than the UK with only 63 milions but french people can be rather racist and as there are not enough jobs nobody wants more adults on welfare.  cool2
    If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten.
    George Carlin
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #23 - October 14, 2010, 01:35 AM
    Quote from: Rev. Winton Dupree on October 14, 2010, 01:25 AM
    Because BerberElla says so.


    Bite me
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #24 - October 14, 2010, 01:36 AM
    Quote from: tabun on October 14, 2010, 01:30 AM
    lol Rev you and your Cult.  Roll Eyes


    Not any worse than QI's cult. Actually, mine is much better cause I can prove BerberElla exists, and expecting her to come back someday is not irrational superstition.

    On the other hand QueenIsabel believes in some myths written by ignorant desert tribesmen thousands of years ago. My cult's much better.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #25 - October 14, 2010, 01:36 AM
    Quote from: tabun on October 14, 2010, 01:30 AM
    So what if a born French citizen commits a crime?

    Do they strip him huh huh.


    lol
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #26 - October 14, 2010, 01:37 AM
    Quote from: tabun on October 14, 2010, 01:30 AM
    So what if a born French citizen commits a crime?

    Do they strip him huh huh.

    Well they go to prison and tax payer have to feed them if they are deported they are considered not to be a burden anymore. cool2
    If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten.
    George Carlin
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #27 - October 14, 2010, 01:41 AM
    QI wubs Jesus
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #28 - October 14, 2010, 01:42 AM
    Quote from: STARSW on October 14, 2010, 01:34 AM
    Smiley
    I think the problem for the french with gypsies is not only the level of crime but the fact that they have no idea how many they are what they do. They live in horrible condition to french standard, they do not officialy work and do not pay taxes. The french want to create a law giving the government the right to remove them even if they are from the EU I don't think that the problem of the gypsie is violence which does exist but not to a awrful level. The violence reference is of course for association with riots and terrorist actions if new citizen don't behave for the first 10 years they are out, it is harsh especially if it is exploited badly but the principal is understandable and I beleive would happen rarely.. ideally everybody should be welcome and helped to settle france is quite big more than double than the UK with only 63 milions but french people can be rather racist and as there are not enough jobs nobody wants more adults on welfare.  cool2



    STARSZ I'm not talking about only  Gypsies.
  • Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
     Reply #29 - October 14, 2010, 01:43 AM
    Quote from: Rev. Winton Dupree on October 14, 2010, 01:41 AM
    QI wubs Jesus



    And your point is?
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