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  • Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     OP - October 27, 2010, 09:44 PM
    I am currently reading Ali Sina's new book, Understanding Muhammed.  Ive seen it available for free download on the internet - it retails normally at about £18.  

    Its a fun & interesting read, but biased, as you would pretty much expect from Sina .

    It goes into detail about the prophets life, a complete no holds barred look at the prophet.  I dont like Sina's exaggerated style but it is based on sira & hadith, so its a not just his opinions here.

    Its a bit like reading this forum, you dont believe everything that is written here, but its amusing & potentially the truth all the same.

    Ive highlighted some amusing bits, so I'll post them here.
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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #1 - October 27, 2010, 09:46 PM
    part of the preface - lol @ sina

    Quote
    He lied and deceived, feeling entitled and justified in doing so. All these are
    traits of narcissistic personality disorder.

    Thanks to another mental illness, temporal lobe epilepsy, the prophet of
    Islam had vivid hallucinations he interpreted as mystical and divine intimations.
    When he claimed he heard voices, saw angels and other ghostly entities, he was
    not lying. He could not distinguish reality from fantasy.

    Muhammad also suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder, causing
    his fixations on numbers, rituals and stringent rules. This explains why he lived
    such an austere life and why his religion is filled with so many absurd rules.
    In the later years of his life Muhammad was affected by acromegaly, a
    disease caused by excessive production of a growth hormone, resulting in large
    bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and coarse facial features such as enlarged
    lips, nose and tongue.

    Acromegaly occurs after the age of 40 and usually kills the
    patient in his early 60s. It causes erectile dysfunction (impotence). On the other
    hand temporal lobe hyper activism increases libido.

    This explains Muhammad's sexual vagaries in his old age and why in the later years of his life he had such an
    insatiable craving for sex. He would visit all his 9 wives in one night to touch and
    fondle them, without being satisfied. His impotence explains his insecurity,
    paranoia, and intense jealousy of his young wives. He ordered them to cover
    themselves, lest other men would cast a lusting eye on them.

    Today, half a billion Muslim women veil themselves, because Muhammad was impotent.

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #2 - October 27, 2010, 09:52 PM
     Cheesy
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #3 - October 27, 2010, 09:54 PM
     THANK YOU IsLAME, Cheesy Cheesy


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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #4 - October 27, 2010, 10:07 PM
    Ali Sina managed to contradict himself within a couple sentences:

    'He lied and deceived, feeling entitled and justified in doing so. All these are
    traits of narcissistic personality disorder.

    Thanks to another mental illness, temporal lobe epilepsy, the prophet of
    Islam had vivid hallucinations he interpreted as mystical and divine intimations.
    When he claimed he heard voices, saw angels and other ghostly entities, he was
    not lying    .

    wtf?
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #5 - October 27, 2010, 10:12 PM
    No.  You can lie & deceive, or even be a compulsive liar, but still occasionally tell the truth.

    Liars dont always tell lies. 
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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #6 - October 27, 2010, 10:16 PM
    Ye, that is true, I misunderstood what he was saying. The rest of the preface is quite elaborate - I might take a look.

    So he used his visions which he saw to manipulate people for his own purposes and desires?



    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #7 - October 27, 2010, 10:23 PM
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    Islam is a cult. It is time to wake up and realize that this cult is a threat to
    mankind and there can be no co-existence with Muslims. As long as Muslims
    believe in Muhammad, they are a threat to others and to themselves. Muslims
    must either leave Islam, discard their culture of hate and join the rest of mankind
    as fellow humans, or non-Muslims must separate themselves from them, ban
    Islam, end the immigration of Muslims and send home those who plot against
    democracy and refuse to integrate.
    Islam is incompatible with democracy. It is a warring creed that uses
    democracy to destroy it and to establish itself as a world wide dictatorship. The
    only way to avert the clash between this barbarity and civilization, and a world
    disaster, is to expose the fallacy of Islam and demystify it. Muslims must be
    weaned from Islam for humanity to live in peace.


    Ali Sina can be a twat at times.
    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

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    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #8 - October 27, 2010, 10:25 PM
    Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on October 27, 2010, 10:23 PM
    Ali Sina can be a condescending twat at times.


    Perfect.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #9 - October 27, 2010, 10:33 PM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking on October 27, 2010, 10:16 PM
    So he used his visions which he saw to manipulate people for his own purposes and desires?

    Yep, and he later suggests that Cave Hira may have had trapped ethylene & hallucinogenic vapors that triggered his visions  Cheesy
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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #10 - October 27, 2010, 10:41 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 27, 2010, 10:33 PM
    Yep, and he later suggests that Cave Hira may have had trapped ethylene & hallucinogenic vapors that triggered his visions  Cheesy


    Cheesy Has his book been reviewed on a medical level? Since he does seem to be making a lot of claims about medical and psychological conditions which Mo may have had?
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #11 - October 27, 2010, 11:56 PM
    As well as diagnosing him with narcissism,  bipolar, temporal lobe epilepsy, Acromegaly, here is his justification for his OCD disorder

    Quote
    The only way one can understand this is that he suffered from OCD. OCD
    sufferers are obsessed with patterns and numbers.
    They may prefer odd numbers or even numbers.
    Mohammad was obsessed with the number three.

    There are many rituals that Muslims are required to do three times. There is no logical
    explanation for that except for the fact that it is a sunna of Muhammad.

    The following are the rituals that one must perform before praying:

    Quote
    Declare the intention that the act is for the purpose of worship.
    Rinse out the mouth with water three times
    Cleanse the nostrils by sniffing water in to them three times.
    Wash the whole face three times.
    Wash the right arm three times up to the far end of the elbow and then do the
    same with the left arm.
    Wipe the whole head or any part of it with a wet hand once.
    Wipe the inner sides of the ears with the forefingers and their outer sides with
    the thumbs. This should be done with wet fingers.
    Wipe around the neck with wet hands.
    Wash the two feet up to the ankles three times beginning with the right foot.


    + other meaningless rituals (ive done a few of these  Embarrassed ..

    Quote
    To sit and eat on the floor.
    To eat with the right hand.
    To eat from the side that is in front of you.
    To remove your shoes before eating.
    When eating, to sit with either both knees on the ground or one knee raised or
    both knees raised.
    Whilst eating one should not remain completely silent.
    To eat with three fingers.
    One should not eat very hot food.
    Do not blow on the food.
    After eating one should lick his fingers.
    A Muslim should drink with the right hand. Satan Drinks with the left hand.
    To sit and drink.
    To drink in 3 breaths removing the utensil from the mouth after each sip.
    To make the bed yourself.
    To dust the bed thrice before retiring to bed.
    To sleep on the right hand side.
    To sleep with the right palm under the right cheek.
    To keep the knees slightly bent when sleeping.
    To face Qiblah.
    To recite Surah Ikhlaas, Surah Falaq and Surah Naas before sleeping 3 times
    and thereafter blow over the entire body thrice.
    On awakening to rub the face and the eyes with the palms of the hands.
    hen putting on any garment RasulAllâh (the messenger of Allâh) always
    began with the right limb.
    When removing a garment RasullAllâh always removed the left limb first.
    Males must wear the pants above the ankles. Females should ensure that their
    lower garment covers their ankles.
    Males should wear a turban. Females must wear scarves at all times.
    When wearing shoes, first wear the right shoe then the left.
    When removing them first remove the left and then the right.
    To enter the toilet with your head covered.
    To recite the dua (prayer) before entering the toilet.
    To enter with the left foot.
    To sit and urinate. One should never urinate whilst standing.
    To leave the toilet with the right foot.
    To recite the dua after coming out of the toilet.
    One should not face Qiblah or show his back towards the Qiblah.
    Do not speak in the toilet.
    Using a miswaak (wooden tooth brush) is a great sunnah of Rasulullah. One
    who makes miswaak when making wuzu and thereafter performs salaah will
    receive 70 times more reward. To take a Ghusl bath on a Friday.
    To keep a beard that is one fist in length.
    To carry ones shoes in the left hand.
    To enter the masjid (mosque) with the right foot.
    To leave the masjid with the left foot.

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #12 - October 27, 2010, 11:59 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 27, 2010, 11:56 PM
    As well as diagnosing him with narcissism,  bipolar, temporal lobe epilepsy, Acromegaly, here is his justification for his OCD disorder

    + other meaningless rituals (ive done a few of these  Embarrassed ..



    Plausible. What do you think?
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #13 - October 28, 2010, 12:00 AM
    Bloody hell, how does anyone remember to do all of these!  wacko


    Quote
    Do not speak in the toilet.


    But... but... I like having conversations with my turds :(
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #14 - October 28, 2010, 12:01 AM
    There is a little doubt IF THERE WAS A MAN  "Muhammad"  that is described in Quran and Hadith., that guy was indeed a nut case going in and out of his senses., Some may call it as Jibreel talk., I call it as Gibberish talk..

    Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
    http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?p=90797#p90797
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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #15 - October 28, 2010, 12:06 AM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking on October 27, 2010, 11:59 PM
    Plausible. What do you think?

    Sina calls it OCD for dramatic effect, I think its just a mixture of ancient tribal superstition + a prophet fulfilling his job description Wink
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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #16 - October 28, 2010, 12:15 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 28, 2010, 12:06 AM
    Sina calls it OCD for dramatic effect, I think its just a mixture of ancient tribal superstition + a prophet fulfilling his job description Wink


    That makes more sense to me. I think he may have a legitimate case with the temporal lobe disorder thing but I'm going to have to read his book before I can make a judgement.



    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #17 - October 28, 2010, 12:31 AM
    It gets better - he even ventures as far as diagnosing him with acromelagy (basing it on the following hadith) & gives an indication of what the prophet looked like

    Quote
    Ali narrates: ―The Prophet was neither tall nor short. He has thick
    toes. He had a large head and joints. He had a long line of thin chest
    navel hair. When he walked he would literally lean forward, as if descending from a
    higher place to a lower one. I never saw anyone like him before of after him. He
    was large of head and beard.

    Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Number 793
    274 Abū ˤĪsā Muħammad ibn ˤĪsā ibn Mūsā ibn ad-Dahhāk as-Sulamī at Sulamī at-Tirmidhī (824-892)
    was a collector of hadith. His collection, Sunan al-Tirmidhi, is one of the six canonical hadith
    compilations used in Sunni Islam. The following hadiths are from his collections.

    back and shoulder-joints. He had thick-set fingers and toes. When he walked he
    would lift his feet with vigor, as if walking up a slope. When he turned towards a
    person he would turn with his entire body. His neck seemed (smooth and shiny)
    like that of a statue molded in silver. His body was stout and muscular, of equal
    belly and chest (barbell like). He was wide-shouldered, big- jointed. When he
    disrobed his limbs emanated light (oily skin). There was hair on his arms,
    shoulders, and upper torso. His forearms were long, his palms wide, his fingers
    and toes thick-set and extended. His feet were so smooth that water rolled off
    them.‖

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #18 - October 28, 2010, 12:48 AM
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    A hadith from another companion of Muhammad, Jabir ibn Samura reports: The
    Prophet had a wide mouth and wide eyes.
    Ibn Abbas, a cousin of Muhammad has claimed: ―The Prophet's two front teeth
    were spaced in between.      Cheesy

    Again Ali said: ―His hands and feet were heavy and thick [but not calloused]. He
    had a large head, large bones. When he walked, he leant forward as if going up a
    slope.He was white skinned, having a reddish tinge.

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #19 - October 28, 2010, 12:52 AM
    In other words, I know what the prophet looked like.

    A white version of Chris Eubank (somebody do the honorary photoshop please & post it as I am no good with it - remember the red tinge thats required on the cheeks, with a more pronounced gap in the teeth)

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #20 - October 28, 2010, 11:29 AM
    lol @ this  Cheesy

    Quote from: sina
    It is not unlikely that the reason Muhammad prohibited drawing his picture
    was because he was conscious of his facial and bodily deformities.

    He preferred people pay more attention to his message rather then his looks.

    Under scrutiny,his message seems to be even uglier than his looks.

     
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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #21 - October 28, 2010, 12:40 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 28, 2010, 11:29 AM
    lol @ this  Cheesy
     

     Cheesy
    ...
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #22 - October 28, 2010, 01:01 PM
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    Today, half a billion Muslim women veil themselves, because Muhammad was impotent.

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #23 - October 28, 2010, 01:21 PM
    Physical Features of Prophet Muhammad  by Ismail Habach    

    http://imageofmuhammad.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=1

    Hmm This is good one from that Turkey Adnan Oktar..

    http://searchwarp.com/swa493234-The-Physical-Characteristics-Of-Hazrat-Mahdi-As-1.htm
    Quote
    The Physical Characteristics Of Hazrat Mahdi (As) - 1

    Our Prophet (saas) has provided a great deal of identificatory information in the hadiths regarding the moral and physical features of the Hazrat Mahdi (as). He tells us that Hazrat Mahdis (as) moral values resemble his own, and praises those moral values and his fear of Allah. Our Prophet (saas) has also stated that the Hazrat Mahdi (as) is a most valuable individual who will be a means whereby people attain salvation in this world and in the Hereafter.

    that is Feature Physical Characteristics of  Hazrat Mahdi Prophet..

    Hmm.. Any resemblance with this man?

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #24 - October 28, 2010, 01:28 PM
    Physical Description of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) by Umm Ma’bad
    http://mystrugglewithin.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/physical-description-of-prophet-muhammad-pbuh-by-umm-mabad/
    Quote
    When the Prophet (peace be upon him) emigrated from Mecca to Madînah, he passed by the tent of Umm Ma`bad. She witnessed some of his miracles, then swore fealty to him in Islam before he departed.

    When her husband came back, he was surprised to find with her a quantity of milk.

    He asked her: “Where you have got this from, O Umm Ma`bad, while our sheep is alone and untouched and we have no milk cow in our home?”

    She said: “Nay, but by Allah, a blessed man passed by our way and did so and so.”

    He said: “Describe him to me, O Umm Ma`bad.”


    Quote
    “I saw a man who is handsome, of glowing countenance, and of good proportions, with neither a large stomach nor a small head. He is smart of appearance, with balanced features, deep black eyes, and long eyelashes. His voice is not coarse. He has a long neck, a full rounded beard, and thick eyebrows that meet each other. When he is silent, he is stately and composed, and when he speaks, his appearance is impressive.

    “He is the most beautiful and striking man from a distance and the best and most beautiful from close up. He is well spoken, clear in what he says, saying neither too much nor too little, his words flowing forth like a perfect string of pearls.

    “He is neither too tall nor overly short, a stately man in the company of two other stately men (one of them was Abu Bakr RA), and he is the most prominent among them and the most well-respected.

    “He has companions who surround him. If he speaks, they listen to him, and if he commands, they hasten to fulfill his command. He is well served and attended, though he is neither stern nor argumentative.”

    Good stuff.. good stuff
    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=1745&CATE=108

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #25 - October 28, 2010, 06:20 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 28, 2010, 12:52 AM
    In other words, I know what the prophet looked like.

    A white version of Chris Eubank (somebody do the honorary photoshop please & post it as I am no good with it - remember the red tinge thats required on the cheeks, with a more pronounced gap in the teeth)

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    C'mon folks - it'll be hilarious.  Look ive put a more pronounced gap between his teeth in now.  I just need someone to turn him white, give him rosey cheeks & a fist length beard.
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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #26 - October 28, 2010, 06:30 PM
    Those are some serious editing skills you've got there.
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #27 - October 28, 2010, 06:42 PM
     grin12
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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #28 - October 28, 2010, 06:49 PM
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     Reply #29 - October 28, 2010, 06:52 PM
     Cheesy thats funnier than I imagined.

    So I finally get to see what Mo looked like.  tbh he does look like some kind of divine being, no wonder they all followed him like flies to  Crap
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