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  • Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     OP - November 22, 2010, 09:33 AM


    Panorama, BBC 1 8:30 tonight.

    More disgusting racism and Islamophobia from the British media!

    ++++++

    Saudi school lessons in UK concern government



    One text book details the Sharia punishment for thieves

    The government says it will not tolerate anti-Semitic and homophobic lessons being taught to Muslim children in the UK.

    BBC Panorama found that more than 40 Saudi Students' Schools and Clubs are teaching the official Saudi national curriculum to about 5,000 pupils.

    One text book shows how the hands and feet of thieves are chopped off.

    The Saudi government said it had no official ties to the part-time schools and clubs and did not endorse them.

    However, a building in west London where Panorama obtained one of the text books is owned by the Saudi government.

    The director of education for the Saudi Students' Schools and Clubs said the Saudi Cultural Bureau, which is part of the embassy, had authority over the network.

    'Hellfire'
     
    Education Secretary Michael Gove said there was no place for the Saudi teachings with regard to Jews or homosexuals in Britain: "To my mind it doesn't seem to me that this is the sort of material that should be used in English schools."

    He said in light of the BBC's findings, the school inspectorate Ofsted was looking into the possible regulation and inspection of out-of-hours schools and clubs. At present, part-time schools do not fall within Ofsted's mandate.

    "Ofsted are doing some work in this area, they'll be reporting to me shortly about how we can ensure that part-time provision is better registered and better inspected in the future," Mr Gove said.

    One of the text books asks children to list the "reprehensible" qualities of Jewish people. A text for younger children asks what happens to someone who dies who is not a believer in Islam - the answer given in the text book is "hellfire".

    Another text describes the punishment for gay sex as death and states a difference of opinion about whether it should be carried out by stoning, burning with fire or throwing the person over a cliff.

    In a book for 14-year-olds, Sharia law and its punishment for theft are explained, including detailed diagrams about how hands and feet of thieves are amputated.

    In a written response, the Saudi embassy said such materials were often taken out of context and often referred to historical descriptions. Grin

    But Neal Robinson, an expert in the Koran, said the context in which the materials are presented comes with risks.

    "To present it cold, as it seems to be here, just part of the teaching of Islam, no it's not wise. In the wrong hands I think it is... ammunition for anti-Semitism."

    The use of these materials in Britain comes three years after a BBC investigation found a Saudi-funded school in west London was using texts that referred to Jewish people and Christians in derogatory terms. That prompted assurances at the highest diplomatic levels that the materials would be removed.

    Panorama has also found evidence of extreme views on some private, full-time Muslim school websites, including messages that state: "Our children are exposed to a culture that is in opposition to almost everything Islam stands for" and "We need to defend our children from the forces of evil".

    MP Barry Sheerman, former Labour chairman of the Children, Schools and Families parliamentary committee, said politicians had avoided the issue of controversial teachings in some Muslim schools.

    "There are some very good Muslim schools but there are some Muslim schools that give me great cause for concern that is often around the ethos of the schools, the focus of the school and the kind of ideology that is concerning."

    Dr Usama Hasan, an Islamic scholar and part-time imam in east London, warned of the dangers of segregating young Muslims in Britain, particularly the seminaries where the next generation of imams are being educated.

    "They don't interact with people who are not Muslim... they don't learn the ingredients of the western world, so it's very easy for them to read the medieval texts which were written at a time when Islam was under attack and say non-believers are our enemies and we have to fight them."


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11799713



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #1 - November 22, 2010, 09:34 AM


    Out of Context Grin

    Quote
    it's very easy for them to read the medieval texts which were written at a time when Islam was under attack and say non-believers are our enemies and we have to fight them."


    When has Islam not been 'under attack' Huh?

    There it is folks, the lunacy and paranoia and hatefulness of Saudi Islam laid bare. 5000 Muslim kids at least being exposed to this education, injecting this into our society.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #2 - November 22, 2010, 09:47 AM


    Another thing, when Muslims complain about Islam being wrongly depicted by the media, by this, by that, they really ought to address issues like this. Because frankly, this kind of thing, taught wilfully to British children, makes Islam appear to be a hateful, racist, bigoted, violent, nasty creed. The messenger has been shot too many times when it comes down to it, and hardly anyone is buying it anymore.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #3 - November 22, 2010, 09:52 AM

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    More disgusting racism and Islamophobia from the British media!


     Huh?  You call this Islamophobia?



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #4 - November 22, 2010, 09:53 AM

     grin12

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #5 - November 22, 2010, 10:56 AM

    He's being sarcastic; the usual knee-jerk reaction is to call out with Islamophobia. Even my dad has learned this new term and peppers his rants with it, albeit sparingly.

    "Is this not Islamophobia?!"

    My reaction:  Roll Eyes
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #6 - November 22, 2010, 11:05 AM

    Title of this thread should be... "Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching Islam".

    .
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #7 - November 22, 2010, 12:41 PM

    ...And I assume the UK government will say things need to be done, and do nothing? Just a hunch...
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #8 - November 22, 2010, 01:11 PM

    ^lol yh
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #9 - November 22, 2010, 01:45 PM

    Peace all,

    I am wondering though: when you were Muslim, how many of you guys would have been defending the Saudi-run schools and how many would have been embarrassed by this report, concocting the usual apologies of "historical context" (and also perhaps desiring a progressive stance toward "integration")?

    TT

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  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #10 - November 22, 2010, 01:48 PM

    I 015 then,  I 015 now

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  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #11 - November 22, 2010, 01:59 PM

    @ The Tailor

    Me never defending this shit
    Me saying bye bye to islam from an early age because of this shit and other
    Me thinking you a fundie christian or right winger.

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #12 - November 22, 2010, 02:56 PM

    I 015 then,  I 015 now

    +1

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  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #13 - November 22, 2010, 03:29 PM

    Me thinking you a fundie christian or right winger.


    Uh, no.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #14 - November 22, 2010, 03:32 PM

    Peace all,

    I am wondering though: when you were Muslim, how many of you guys would have been defending the Saudi-run schools and how many would have been embarrassed by this report, concocting the usual apologies of "historical context" (and also perhaps desiring a progressive stance toward "integration")?

    TT

     Cheesy

    I despised Saudi Arabia when I was a Muslim so I can safely say I would not have supported any such thing.

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #15 - November 22, 2010, 03:36 PM


    Will be interesting to see how the new government deal with this.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #16 - November 22, 2010, 05:05 PM

    I'd have shouted "Islamophobia!!!"
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #17 - November 22, 2010, 05:55 PM

    I'd have shouted "Islamophobia!!!"


    I think a lot of folk are calling this -- even though they disapprove of the Saudi line -- I'm hearing the "small minority" thing quite a bit.

    Has anyone experienced such textbooks being passed around before (e.g. to nieces and nephews)?

    TT

    The Divisions of Love, second album by my Cabbalacore band, the Friends of Design, out now:

    https://vimeo.com/110528857
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #18 - November 22, 2010, 06:01 PM

    And the Imam that talked in my uni's chaplaincy today (complete infection - new formerly jewish convert) said that saudi and arab lands only have the most pure form of Islam, is that because there is no other influence? Basically the Sunni, Saudi, wahibi type Islam is the true Islam.
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #19 - November 22, 2010, 06:09 PM

    ^ According to him, just like all the Shiites think they are following the the true form, and all the Christians and Jews thinking they've got it right. Who knows, maybe it's the Scientologists who are actually on the right path.

    Quote
    In the wrong hands I think it is... ammunition for anti-Semitism."

    O RLY?
    "Good morning Class, today we are going to discuss the putrid pustules that are the Jews. Who can tell me what other negative qualities those smelly grotesque 'people' have? Brownie points for the kid that comes up with the best derogatory name for them!"
    Nope, not going to spur dislike or anything, at all..
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #20 - November 22, 2010, 06:10 PM

     Afro spot on Lassy!
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #21 - November 22, 2010, 06:12 PM

    And the Imam that talked in my uni's chaplaincy today (complete infection - new formerly jewish convert) said that saudi and arab lands only have the most pure form of Islam, is that because there is no other influence? Basically the Sunni, Saudi, wahibi type Islam is the true Islam.

    I wonder how Jewish converts feel about the anti-sematic bits in Islam. Does anyone know any convert or just a Jewish person who may have voiced their opinion on the matter?
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #22 - November 22, 2010, 06:38 PM

    Cheesy

    I despised Saudi Arabia when I was a Muslim so I can safely say I would not have supported any such thing.



    Not a good ad for Islamic brotherhood! Oh! yes! because you were a sister probably you were exempt from loving all the brothers in the ummah.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #23 - November 22, 2010, 06:50 PM

    Hey! heard there's new phobia around! It's called the Islamophobephobia. In its most virulent state people's reasoning gets paralyzed and they are shit scared to critique Islam for the fear of being called Islamophobes!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #24 - November 22, 2010, 07:18 PM

    I was hanging out with one of my cousins today, he got a text from one of his religious buddies saying "watch panorama at 8:30 - another attack on our Islamic schools".

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  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #25 - November 22, 2010, 08:37 PM


    This is on right now

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/watchlive/

    Brilliant investigation.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #26 - November 22, 2010, 08:44 PM


    Depressing and disturbing.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #27 - November 22, 2010, 08:55 PM

    Very disturbing indeed.
  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #28 - November 22, 2010, 09:01 PM


    Saudis caught bang to rights!

    Their embassy's 'cultural centre' funding schools all over the country teaching hateful, horrible bigotry. What is it in them that wants to spread this kind of shit in this nation amongst Muslim children? That Jews are sub-human, that gays should be killed either by stoning, by fire, or by pushing them off a cliff? Teaching them diagrams of how to amputate limbs under sharia, how to hate non Muslims, how all non Muslims are going to burn in hell.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Saudi funded schools in the UK teaching hatred & extremism
     Reply #29 - November 22, 2010, 09:05 PM

    Peace all,

    I am wondering though: when you were Muslim, how many of you guys would have been defending the Saudi-run schools and how many would have been embarrassed by this report, concocting the usual apologies of "historical context" (and also perhaps desiring a progressive stance toward "integration")?

    TT


    I wouldn't have supported or defended it. I might have argued that it wasn't Islamic though, and said Islam advocated being nice to everyone, etc, and that it was all logical. Although I thought Islam was generally good, I never remembering thinking of Jews as "bad" (possibly because of being taught of them as "yahudi" so it wasn't an instant link.) And I was always against and never understood segregation and hatred (as my parents were from different castes). So I would have found it pretty shocking back then too, and completely un-understandable.

    Basically, I would've defended (my version of) Islam but not the schools.
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