How much is known about the Holocuast in the Islamic world?

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OP - December 04, 2010, 05:09 AM

I'm just curious about this one, I remember watching a video about a World War 2 Holocaust survivor who went to schools to tell people her story, and she said she can no longer go to schools with large Muslim populations because people would refuse to listen or leave the room... I guess it brings me onto the question, are Muslims educated on the Holocaust? I guess it baffles me how so many people seem... delightfully ignorant in not knowing about something like this.

You should think it is something that everyone should know about so that we never forget the mistakes of the people before us, somehow I think that might not be the case for many people. :\
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Reply #1 - December 04, 2010, 05:24 AM

when it was brought up when i was a muslim, they poo pooed it, as possibly
not even happening. (just another jewish plot)

The japanese still do that to this day, as well.

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Reply #2 - December 04, 2010, 06:10 AM

Detailing of the Holocaust is always shadowed by the
'Zionist plot' conspiracy

The general Islamic consensus is split between 'not much happened' and 'nothing happened'.
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Reply #3 - December 04, 2010, 07:13 AM

They don't teach us about the Holocaust at all at school in my country. But we did study the book, Anne Frank's diary, in English Lit, but that might be only my class.

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Reply #4 - December 04, 2010, 07:45 AM

Quote from: Unechance on December 04, 2010, 05:09 AM
I'm just curious about this one, I remember watching a video about a World War 2 Holocaust survivor who went to schools to tell people her story, and she said she can no longer go to schools with large Muslim populations because people would refuse to listen or leave the room... I guess it brings me onto the question, are Muslims educated on the Holocaust? I guess it baffles me how so many people seem... delightfully ignorant in not knowing about something like this.

You should think it is something that everyone should know about so that we never forget the mistakes of the people before us, somehow I think that might not be the case for many people. :\

It hurts me no end to note man's inhumanity to man when people talk about a tragedy in history that's well documented.Probably a surfeit of crazy fairy tales has made us blase about reality.Truth is always bitter and many people tend to project their own dishonesty onto others to live in a state of denial.

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Reply #5 - December 04, 2010, 10:04 AM

Quote from: mighty_cats on December 04, 2010, 06:10 AM
Detailing of the Holocaust is always shadowed by the
'Zionist plot' conspiracy

The general Islamic consensus is split between 'not much happened' and 'nothing happened'.

I noticed it's not just Muslims.
I talked to quite a few Arab Christians who are exactly like that.

I think it's cause they are pissed at the Israeli.

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Reply #6 - December 04, 2010, 11:20 AM

So the Palestine issue too is a piece of fiction!

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Reply #7 - December 04, 2010, 12:37 PM

Talking about the israeli/palestinian issue. How many israeli children learn about how palestinian children live bcoz of their nations actions towards them?
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Reply #8 - December 04, 2010, 12:40 PM

Quote from: XxThaminaxX on December 04, 2010, 12:37 PM
Talking about the israeli/palestinian issue. How many israeli children learn about how palestinian children live bcoz of their nations actions towards them?

And what the fuck does that have to do with the Holocaust exactly? This whataboutery argument is even dumber than your usual ones

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Reply #9 - December 04, 2010, 12:49 PM

Both were/are evil and cruel. You can't expect an arab kid to learn about the holocaust and the persecution of jews whilst jewish kids are left completely ignorant of their policies towards those very arab kids!
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Reply #10 - December 04, 2010, 12:51 PM

Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on December 04, 2010, 05:24 AM
when it was brought up when i was a muslim, they poo pooed it, as possibly
not even happening. (just another jewish plot)

The japanese still do that to this day, as well.

Indeed, the 'experiments' carried out by Unit 731 would have shocked Himmler, yet to my knowledge Japan has never apologised for it, and the people behind it were never imprisoned.

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Reply #11 - December 04, 2010, 12:53 PM

Quote from: XxThaminaxX on December 04, 2010, 12:37 PM
Talking about the israeli/palestinian issue. How many israeli children learn about how palestinian children live bcoz of their nations actions towards them?

Not exactly the same as gassing 6 million people and shoving them into ovens, is it?
But it's happened throughout time. The Tutsi, the Cambodians, the Armenians, the Dacians, etc.

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Reply #12 - December 04, 2010, 12:54 PM

Quote from: XxThaminaxX on December 04, 2010, 12:49 PM
Both were/are evil and cruel. You can't expect an arab kid to learn about the holocaust and the persecution of jews whilst jewish kids are left completely ignorant of their policies towards those very arab kids!

Yes I can because the Holocaust has sweet F.A. to do with Israel. Its significance goes beyond the persecution of the Jews. It's significance is universal and is a message to all. The Jews only happened to be the victims.

P.S Israeli kids are not necessarily Jewish

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Reply #13 - December 04, 2010, 01:35 PM

it started out with the jews, but evolved into much worse. Then the gays, then
the catholics, then the gypsies then the mentally and physically ill, and if you want
to see just how insane their evilness got, watch the movie "The Swing Kids"

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Reply #14 - December 04, 2010, 01:58 PM

Ras, have you ever seen the film, "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence"? It is based
on a true story about some British officers in a Japanese POW camp. GOOD
movie. David Bowie stars in it.

Anyway, back on track. I have personally known THREE people who were in
the camps in Germany. Two were catholic priests, and one was a Jewish woman,
the mother of my best friend when I was a young teenager. I SAW the tattoos.
I HEARD THEIR stories. HORROR!!!! REAL HORROR!

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Reply #15 - December 04, 2010, 02:18 PM

The Holocaust isn't taught in schools. The only time it is ever mentioned is during Friday sermons.
These average Joes, don't what was really all about. They just hear about it like it's some biblical punishment of the Jews from God equal to the stories like Sodom and Gomorra.

"See? It isn't just us who hate them," the imams would say, "nobody else wants them around either. And there is a good reason for that. They corrupt, backstab and destroy the societies who were foolish enough to invite them with their hospitality. And as long as they keep on going with their evil ways, the world will never accept them."

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Reply #16 - December 04, 2010, 03:05 PM

Quote from: MoeAlharbi on December 04, 2010, 02:18 PM
"See? It isn't just us who hate them,"Nick Griffin would say, "nobody else wants them around either. And there is a good reason for that. They corrupt, backstab and destroy the societies who were foolish enough to invite them with their hospitality. And as long as they keep on going with their evil ways, the world will never accept them."

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Reply #17 - December 04, 2010, 03:17 PM

Quote from: XxThaminaxX on December 04, 2010, 12:49 PM
Both were/are evil and cruel. You can't expect an arab kid to learn about the holocaust and the persecution of jews whilst jewish kids are left completely ignorant of their policies towards those very arab kids!

Thats like persecuting Malaysians for something Saudi Arabia has done? The holocaust was persecution not because they were Israeli but because they were Jews. Like Hitler, do you also have a problem with Jews?

Palestinians are not being persecuted because they are Muslim, but because Israeli's want to occupy their land.

I really dont understand why you left Islam, as you really still hold all the pre-existing persecution complex that Mo held just before he also did the Banu Qurayza holocaust, which much like the Israelis in Palestine, happened to serve him also very nicely indeed.

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Reply #18 - December 04, 2010, 03:31 PM

Very few in my home country and really, why would they know and why should they care? They have more pressing issues atm taking up their time as opposed to education reform

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Reply #19 - December 04, 2010, 04:59 PM

Quote from: ras111 on December 04, 2010, 12:54 PM
Yes I can because the Holocaust has sweet F.A. to do with Israel. Its significance goes beyond the persecution of the Jews. It's significance is universal and is a message to all. The Jews only happened to be the victims.

P.S Israeli kids are not necessarily Jewish

It has everything to do with Israel seeing as it was EUROPEAN Jews demanding a state in a region that was predominantly arab! It wasn't jews living in the ME that wanted a state based on what a 2000 yr old book says.
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Quote from: IsLame on December 04, 2010, 03:17 PM
Thats like persecuting Malaysians for something Saudi Arabia has done? The holocaust was persecution not because they were Israeli but because they were Jews. Like Hitler, do you also have a problem with Jews?

Palestinians are not being persecuted because they are Muslim, but because Israeli's want to occupy their land.

I really dont understand why you left Islam, as you really still hold all the pre-existing persecution complex that Mo held just before he also did the Banu Qurayza holocaust, which much like the Israelis in Palestine, happened to serve him also very nicely indeed.

NOTE I said "arab kid" not a "muslim kid". I have a problem with jews who support the right of Israel's existence the same way I'm against ANYONE (including muslims) who support its existence I.e. a 'peace' plan and a 2-state solution.

I know they're not being persecuted bcoz they're muslim.

Please explain what the hell religion has to do with this? In case you didn't know the most vocal anti-zionist ppl happen to be JEWS. And some of the closest allies of Israel happen to be MUSLIMS!
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Reply #21 - December 04, 2010, 05:19 PM

Quote from: XxThaminaxX on December 04, 2010, 05:05 PM
I have a problem with jews who support the right of Israel's existence the same way I'm against ANYONE (including muslims) who support its existence I.e. a 'peace' plan and a 2-state solution.

You mentioned before somewhere that you would like to see a single Arab-Jewish state in ME rather than two separate states. What exactly did you mean by that? Tbh I quite agree with such position - in principle.

Btw strictly speaking I am a Zionist - I support the "right" of Israel to exist.
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Quote from: Kenan on December 04, 2010, 05:19 PM
Btw strictly speaking I am a Zionist - I support the "right" of Israel to exist.

You can support Israel's right to exist and not be a Zionist. A Zionist is someone who supports the concept of Aliyah and giving Jews priority in immigrating to Israel. I am quite against that. I don't think a retired bank manager from California should have more right to immigrate to Jerusalem than a 2nd generation Palestinian refugee in Lebanon.
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Quote from: Kenan on December 04, 2010, 05:19 PM
You mentioned before somewhere that you would like to see a single Arab-Jewish state in ME rather than two separate states. What exactly did you mean by that? Tbh I quite agree with such position - in principle.

Btw strictly speaking I am a Zionist - I support the "right" of Israel to exist.

I meant a single secular state (you'll find the majority of Jews and Arabs aren't religious extremists but are led by them!) where EVERYONE has equal rights. I mean those european jews I speak of can't be kicked out and those arabs who WERE kicked out need to have the right to return otherwise there can be no peace---but them returning will change the demographics hence no progress being made on peace.

So in other words you support the right for people from europe to go to a different part of the world, destroy villages, massacre people and then claim it as their own just coz some book says so That is in essence what zionism is.
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Reply #24 - December 04, 2010, 05:41 PM

Thamina, have you ever noticed the similarities between Pakistan and Israel?

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Quote from: sojournerlumus on December 04, 2010, 12:53 PM
Not exactly the same as gassing 6 million people and shoving them into ovens, is it?
But it's happened throughout time. The Tutsi, the Cambodians, the Armenians, the Dacians, etc.

Indeed. There are massive differences between the ongoing conflict in Israel / Palestine and the Holocaust. Amazing it needs pointing out.

But really, if the Ummah doesn't care to understand it, who gives a shit? Doesn't really matter.

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Reply #26 - December 04, 2010, 06:09 PM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on December 04, 2010, 05:30 PM
A Zionist is someone who supports the concept of Aliyah and giving Jews priority in immigrating to Israel.

I said strictly speaking. Afaik a "down-to-the-bone" definition of Zionism = supports Israel's right to exist. Sans the supremacist bull.

Quote from: XxThaminaxX on December 04, 2010, 05:35 PM
So in other words you support the right for people from europe to go to a different part of the world, destroy villages, massacre people and then claim it as their own just coz some book says so That is in essence what zionism is.

Yes. Tbh I don't care so much about what the book says. Any old excuse is good enough afaic.
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Quote from: billy on December 04, 2010, 05:41 PM
Thamina, have you ever noticed the similarities between Pakistan and Israel?

Wondered how long before this would come up

They have some similarities yes. Both born out of British Imperialism, both involved a mass exodus of people moving. But the DIFFERENCE is the people moving across the pak-india border were FROM that region. Can the same be said for European jews going to the ME? No!

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Reply #28 - December 04, 2010, 07:52 PM

Why do you care so much about Palestinians, and not so much about all the other abuses & ethnic cleansing incidences going on around in Africa & the rest of the world?

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Quote from: IsLame on December 04, 2010, 03:17 PM
Thats like persecuting Malaysians for something Saudi Arabia has done? The holocaust was persecution not because they were Israeli but because they were Jews. Like Hitler, do you also have a problem with Jews?

Palestinians are not being persecuted because they are Muslim, but because Israeli's want to occupy their land.

I really dont understand why you left Islam, as you really still hold all the pre-existing persecution complex that Mo held just before he also did the Banu Qurayza holocaust, which much like the Israelis in Palestine, happened to serve him also very nicely indeed.

There are plenty of non Muslims who hold even more extreme views about Israel though

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