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Re: Christmas and all that
Reply #60 - December 23, 2010, 02:59 AM

Quote from: Cheetah on December 22, 2010, 04:45 PM
Where's the harm in it?

For me the harm in birthdays is that the celebrating of them originated with astrology. Astrology is listed among the things God hates. So since the Bible is the standard I would like to use for me or anyone using that standard that is where the harm would be.

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Reply #61 - December 23, 2010, 03:08 AM

The list of things your god hates is very long. Do you follow it all?

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Reply #62 - December 23, 2010, 04:33 AM

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Astrology is listed among the things God hates.

Its also listed among the things I hate, but that doesn't stop me celebrating my birthday and it shouldn't stop Jesus either.

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Reply #63 - December 23, 2010, 03:40 PM

Is that what we are talking about here? Jesus celebrating his own birthday? Oh. I thought the question was about why I don't celebrate Christmas or what the Bible says.
That is a somewhat different conversation since Jesus completed his life on earth near 1,980 years ago. I haven't read any account in the Bible where it says anything about Jesus celebrating his birthday. What do you think. If Jesus wanted his disciples or any one to celebrate his birthday do you think he would have had something recorded about him celebrating it ? Perhaps the date of his birthday?

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Reply #64 - December 23, 2010, 04:16 PM

Jesus says nothing about slavery, rape, or child abuse either. If Jesus didn't want his disciples or any one to do these things do you think he would have had something recorded about him disaproving?

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Reply #65 - December 23, 2010, 06:40 PM

Quote from: Ishina on December 23, 2010, 04:16 PM
Jesus says nothing about slavery, rape, or child abuse either. If Jesus didn't want his disciples or any one to do these things do you think he would have had something recorded about him disaproving?

This one is easy.

Matthew 22:37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”

So with this the principles of all the law given to Moses can be applied.

Will post more references when I have some time.

People who are raping and doing child abuse are not Jesus disciples and are in line for adverse judgement* by God. As well as should being punished by the law of the land. Anyone who says or thinks they can do these things and can be free of punishment are fooling themself. Can they plead for forgiveness? Yes, sure. That is not up to me. I was sexually abused child (this is a point of history I have said it before not just for this conversation) and I think this is enough.

Keeping slaves is not against the law in the Bible. Treating them poorly, as subhuman however is against the law in the Bible. If a person can live with themself and before God, and keep slaves that is on there head not mine.

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Reply #66 - December 23, 2010, 07:39 PM

Quote from: Lynna on December 23, 2010, 02:59 AM
For me the harm in birthdays is that the celebrating of them originated with astrology. Astrology is listed among the things God hates. So since the Bible is the standard I would like to use for me or anyone using that standard that is where the harm would be.

You're confusing astrology with astronomy; the former baseless and the latter being based on observable facts. It's to do with celebrating someone's life (someone real, that is) that's all, when all's said and done. It makes people feel special and wanted if others celebrate the passage of their lives.

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Reply #67 - December 23, 2010, 07:43 PM

screw u guys I'm going to Budapest for X-mas ... wish u all the best during the weekend... Do not rape, abort, turn pedophile or the other things that our Islamic friends warned us...

bye...

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Reply #68 - December 23, 2010, 10:56 PM

Quote from: Lynna on December 23, 2010, 03:40 PM
Is that what we are talking about here? Jesus celebrating his own birthday? Oh. I thought the question was about why I don't celebrate Christmas or what the Bible says.
That is a somewhat different conversation since Jesus completed his life on earth near 1,980 years ago. I haven't read any account in the Bible where it says anything about Jesus celebrating his birthday. What do you think. If Jesus wanted his disciples or any one to celebrate his birthday do you think he would have had something recorded about him celebrating it ? Perhaps the date of his birthday?

If Jesus wanted it to be verboten to celebrate birthdays, his or otherwise, do you think he might have said so? Maybe Jesus doesn't give a stuff either way, and he's as happy with me celebrating Christmas as you not.

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Reply #69 - December 23, 2010, 11:16 PM

Quote from: Lynna on December 23, 2010, 06:40 PM
This one is easy.

Matthew 22:37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”

So with this the principles of all the law given to Moses can be applied.

Will post more references when I have some time.

Allow me:

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
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What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
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Quote from: Lynna on December 23, 2010, 06:40 PM
People who are raping and doing child abuse are not Jesus disciples and are in line for adverse judgement* by God. As well as should being punished by the law of the land. Anyone who says or thinks they can do these things and can be free of punishment are fooling themself. Can they plead for forgiveness? Yes, sure. That is not up to me. I was sexually abused child (this is a point of history I have said it before not just for this conversation) and I think this is enough.

Yes. You apply your own external moral tools and personal conscience to that which isn’t clear or isn’t mentioned in the Bible. Are you doing the same when you say its wrong to celebrate Jesus’ birthday? There is no mention of it in the Bible. These are your own words and ideas, not your god’s. Why do you think its wrong to celebrate it?

Quote from: Lynna on December 23, 2010, 06:40 PM

Keeping slaves is not against the law in the Bible. Treating them poorly, as subhuman however is against the law in the Bible. If a person can live with themself and before God, and keep slaves that is on there head not mine.

Yes, the Bible is fine with slavery, or rather, your god is fine with it. Are you fine with it too then?

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