This is the time for me to try to sum up everything that I want to say in one post, and to make my self clear.
I am not against Jews or Muslims for that matter, I am against the Ideologies of almost all the Isms where these get enrichment form. Jews in this case whatever the argument is, if classified as a Jew have a link to that basic Ideology and does not matter how moderate, is an agent for the system, same case applies to Muslims or for any other ism. He or she may be just a number in the system but as long as the system is in play is a potential threat, now again I am not against the human threat Per Se, it is the system that needs addressing and there are factors in play that are doing this very Job. Still in the case of Jews they had a benefit of being known as the defenceless poor people who have had such atrocities against them like holocaust in the later half part of the last century. There is no denying that holocaust or the events leading to that situation were not horrific, but it does not give the victim impunity from anything let alone criticism of their actions. For example a response to my joke "Jews are the best they can kill any one and if any one ever say a word against them call them anti-Semitic and kill them :p" one of the fellow member responded
Such is the position of this question, As I do not believe that there is a rise in anti-Semitism it is just a rational criticism as per the criticisers logic. And I believe we see people on both sides of the equation working for there cases. Yes there have been an increase in the opposition of mainly Israeli policies because, may be that impunity factor is fading away, and such efforts are on some occasions being labelled as Anti-Semitism (the people in question here are impartial logical minds who choose to rationalise there decisions). As some very good points from Q-Man
......... smear any criticism of Israel with the Anti-Semite brush........... there are some on the left who are indeed crossing the line from Anti-Zionism into Anti-Jewish senitment, but it's not nearly as great as those who would portray any criticism of Israel as Anti-Jewish would have you believe.................
2. Hizbollah (and Hamas)
Are these organizations anti-Jewish? I think so. Do they have morally-questionable or objectionable tactics? Yes. Does that automatically negate their legitimacy as national liberation movements resisting foreign occupation? Not sure it does. Their Islamist ideology is enough for me not to support them, but not necessarily enough for other secular leftists not to.
3. Unholy Alliances
I will say that I find the alliance between certain left-wing organizations and Islamists to be disturbing, and I don't agree with it as I believe it to be both morally unacceptable and politically short-sighted..............
just two points I suppose,
A) Their Ideologies go in a background when they come in play at political level as representative, not endorsing them, totally agree with you about morally-questionable and objectionable tactics. But so have the other side shown in past.
B) I do not believe such an alliance exist. These are simple plain humans trying to help out the victims, I will just give an example as Rachel Corrie who gave her life for this cause and there are many others but I do not believe that, her or any other supporter's act can in any way taken as an endorsement towards Islamic Ideology or as an alliance thereof.
................. Jewish person could be tempted to view the world's only Jewish state through rose tinted glasses, especially given the history of persecution. Non-Jewish people who support Israel's every action have no such excuse, their support is usually based on political or religious bigotry.
well the first highlight is just a tease the 2nd one yes, of-course but their political and religious bigotry in their best interest. As I said many of my favourite comedians are Jews, My favourite George Carlin never talked on this matter, I would have loved him to address this issue but may be he avoided it, second best of-course have talked on this issue a lot of times, following is an extract from his show with very good audience, I will recommend to watch the full show some very good points were made on the show,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT5SA71vETkanother great debate although a little old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIFoR0lzh50&feature=relatedbut all this leads to the situation now
..... Hezbollah.........We're all accountable for what we say, ....................... it's obviously trying to spin the wheels of fear.
.................terrorist group anymore .....................
Need I mention, Bridget Gibrael, Bill O riely, Ann Coulter, almost 80% of fox network. When the corporations head have been found saying, "I might have helped shape the war" --joke-- and happens to be Jew --joke--. Hezbollah and IRA are very much comparable.
This is a fairly common repsonse but it overlooks several important factors. They may not seem important to you ...
I agree with the logic of your argument, but even when we look at the plan originally made, a number of Jewish community, was not only aware of the hostile nature but addressed this matter with great stress and although, I try not to fill my head with conspiracy theories, some say including Jawahaur Lal Nehru that the way the vote was won for the partition plan rises a lot of questions
But yes it all comes down to Ideologies and I totally agree one hundred percent with IsLame
Reza Aslan sums up my positions neatly..
"If we don't figure out a way to strip these conflicts of their religious connotations, then we will never figure out a way to put an end to them.
Because as long as these remain cosmic conflicts, they will go on for eternity"
PS:
Yep, it takes time for freshies to change.
ETA: You can add HairyImp to the list too
I read your letter to you cousin
Topic: Anti-Semitism and the Left